Longtime ILXors - how has this board changed over time?

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Please don't apologise! The weight of it is just one of those inevitable things.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I keep feeling like I'm coming across as very pompous and anti-American, despite my intentions. There's loads of stuff I learn from Americans on here that I'm very grateful for.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I am constantly amazed at how clued in Merkans and Brits can be these days to each other's pop culture. When I was a kid, it was much harder.

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 30 July 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

oh no. i wasn't meaning that at all!

xp

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 30 July 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm probably just a little defensive because ugly americanism really bothers me, no matter if it's W, or tourists, or jon on a board (i know, i know, he's being ironic, whatever). and our current political direction makes my discomfort even worse.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 30 July 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I could follow that discussion that alba linked to but I dunno, I think ilm has developed so that many genres now have their specialists; now you have threads for dancehall, grime, metal. So not really americanisation but maybe the board are less pop in character than before (=> which kinda follows something an ilxer told me).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 30 July 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

It's threads like this that make me completely feel like ILX has been taken over by Americans with ways of talking and frames of reference that completely leave me out in the cold.

I'm American and I don't get it either.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 30 July 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I posted that before reading most of the thread and now see it was kind of pointless to say again.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Without having clicked on most of these threads, here's a rundown of the way I see the latest crop of New Answers. This isn't supposed to be a 'you bastards - ILE has gone to shit, it used to be so great' rant. It's just to show how things are from one longtime poster's perspective, to illustrate what I was trying to say above.

Punching women in the face. (53 new answers, 53+ unread)

Fine - potentially interesting. Clearly worded.

O Boy! It's the Democratic National Convention! (627 new answers, 627+ unread)

Of some interest to me, though the number of posts suggests a level of detail that's perhaps offputting.

This is a thread for listing every word in English (368 new answers, 83 unread)

Err- whatever.

Longtime ILXors - how has this board changed over time? (78 new answers)

Meta-shit. Invevitable, I suppose, and can't remember there being one quite on this subject without it being aggressively started, so OK.

Weird Animals (15 new answers)

Filler. OK.

warning warning DO NOT SEE 'THE VILLAGE' IT IS A PIECE OF SHIT warning warning (182 new answers, 182+ unread)

Don't know what the Village is. Don't like the way the title is worded or capitalized.

ANAL OGIES (9 new answers, 9+ unread)

For God's sake.

"I'd rather not talk about that because it's something negative" (18 new answers)

Interesting topic. Great thread.

Big Brother (UK 2004) - Chain of fools: thread 8 (102 new answers)

Great for me and other UK BB fans. Good talk, though if you're not from the UK very dull, I imagine, though Dan seems to love it. So, selfishly, great.

HPENCIL (4 new answers, 4+ unread)

Waste of time. Presume it refers to hstencil in some way. Don't like threads about people.

This Is the Thread Where I Say part 17: Intelligence Is The Best Revenge (352 new answers, 352+ unread)

Just not for me. I've got no interest in ILE being a general 'how you doing?' chat board, but it's not like this subculture takes over, so I can't really complain.

whaddaya look like now then? (42 new answers, 42 unread)

I don't like the word 'whaddaya', but this succession of photo threads is OK, I suppose. I occasionally have a look to see what people look like, though once I've seen them once I don't really want to see more pictures (unless they are v.hott, obv.).

Assholes in South Africa shooting wildlife (50 new answers, 50+ unread)

A Calum thread, I believe. I dunno - for various reasons, his animal rights threads never end up being very interesting, and its not all his fault.

The Thinking Man's Sex Kitten (123 new answers, 2 unread)

Just a kind of list and photo thread, I think, which doesn't really float my boat. Seeed to be about lots of Americans I'd never heard of for a while, then broadened out a bit. Questioning the assumptions behind the concept of the thinking man's crumpet might be interesting, I guess.

you happy now? you are? why's that? (22 new answers, 22+ unread)

Pass.

digital camera advice, please (9 new answers)

I don't know much about cameras but it's a useful thread to enough people and maybe me if I ever buy another one.

What are you listening to in the NU-ILX ERA????? (78 new answers, 78 unread)

Never really saw the appeal of these threads. If people say something inspiring about something I haven't heard then maybe, but they just tend to be lists, I think. Maybe I'm wrong - hardly ever click on them.

Fruit - C or D? (15 new answers)

Ah, good old fruit.

Bush: "Maybe Iran had a hand in 9/11 instead...." (4 new answers, 4 unread)

I'm all 9/11'ed out, but I appreciate these threads being there.

Ilxor Impressions (be nice!) (199 new answers, 11 unread)

NOOO!!!

this is the thread where we talk breathlessly about the best TV show on North American television: THE AMAZING RACE! (8 new answers, 8 unread)

I like that it makes it clear it's North American. I'm not fond of the cutesy 'this is the thread where we' thing, but I and others have said that before.

Can you ride a bike? (73 new answers, 73+ unread)

I don't really care whether people can ride a bike or not, but I suppose something interesting might just come out of it.

NU-EXCELSIOR (184 new answers)

My worst ILX vice. I find 90% of what's on there unfunny, mainly because it's out of context (even when several posts are pasted), and because it's labelled 'this is funny'. But I can't stop clicking on it to see if someone has put something of mine on there, and then I hate myself. Also, I really don't like the whole 'EXCELSIOR' thing but I guess it's hear to stay. My attitude to it softened a bit when I learned that it was a reference to comic book speak. I thought it was just a 'hey! crazy old-fashioned word!' thing.

Ebay: Cash Cow or Evil Bitch? (6 new answers)

I generally don't like too many 'bitches' etc. in titles, but otherwise yeah - this thread's OK.

This is the thread where we all post as the young stars of Hollywood (44 new answers, 44+ unread)

Again with the 'this is the thread where we'. I'm rarely that impressed with these 'do a pastiche' threads, everyone trying hard to be clever with their turns.

Trig Brother 2004 Saturday 31 July (83 new answers, 83 unread)

Social event organizing. You have to be there.

jaymc is in a band! (28 new answers, 28 unread)

Goodo!

What do you hate? (123 new answers, 123 unread)

Bit too general a question to provoke interesting responses, I think. Also, generally in life I've had enough of people getting angry and annoyed with trivial things. Room 101 was always crap ha ha (British TV show - sorry!)

Famous crime scenes (39 new answers, 39+ unread)

Hmm... don't think I'd click on it, but if you're into crime, yeah.

Lindsay Lohan: "Hot, Ready, and Legal!" (359 new answers, 15 unread)

I don't know why I read that the other night and chipped in with my boring observations. Hollywood starlets coming of age. Err yeah - whatever. Lots of C on Ts.

Predict Trends Of 2005 (98 new answers, 4 unread)

A folorn request, I think. If you could do this for real, you'd make a lot of money. So mainly just lots of one-line joke responses, including me recycling one I made on ILE in predictions for 2002 or something, as a vague joke to myself.

General movie anticipation thread (82 new answers, 82+ unread)

I'm prefer a bit of focus.

Social Network Sites Showcasing the Mentalists of our Age (3 new answers, 1 unread)

Some shit.

Sysadmin Follies (2 new answers, 2 unread)

Some IT worker thing.

favorite sexual position???????? (9 new answers)

There are already loads of threads about this. They wouldn't have been hard to find.

West Indies Vs England 2004 (1 new answer, 1 unread)

For cricket fans.

I'm all about freeze-dried bananas right now (23 new answers)

Filler, but good humoured, witty filler.

thee "L0BSTER L|BERATI0N FR0NT" wtf?? (15 new answers, 15+ unread)

wtf indeed. Too much wtf. And funny letters.

Do You Know What I Mean? (40 new answers, 2 unread)

A bit of scraping the barrel from an otherwise thoughtful question setter.

OBIT: It's a bird! It's a plane! It's Jackson Beck! (1 new answer, 1+ unread)

Don't know who that is, but some effort in the thread titling. RIP, I guess?

Who on this bitch is from THE SUBURBS¿ (92 new answers, 6 unread)

More 'bitch'. There have been a lot of threads about suburbia. I think I prefer questions that go beyond 'lets share experiences of x'.

What star sign are you... (190 new answers, 190 unread)

For astrologists. There are a lot of astrology threads. I like the ones where people argue about it with Vic, a bit. Maybe this is one of them.

THREAD CONNECTIONS and a mule

Was 'Thread Connections' ever funny? And I do hate the whole thing of coming up with new twists on old title names that are then impenetrable to anyone coming to ILX for the first time.

What Video Games Are You Wasting Your Life Away on Now? (Vol 2.) (42 new answers, 42 unread)

I don't know why I lost interest in my Playstation.

OLYMPICS 2004 (19 new answers, 19+ unread)

As ever, I'll get into it once it starts.

Edinburgh Military Tattoo - classic or dud? (10 new answers, 4 unread)

Yeah, why not?

Berlin (8 new answers, 8 unread)

Ah, Berlin. Threads about foreign places are often quite good.

Katrina Vanden Heuvel = ROWR (28 new answers, 28+ unread)

Don't know her, but I'll take your word for it!

Club Freaky Trigger THURSDAY 29th July (134 new answers, 134 unread)

More London indie club hijinx. Next.

"HI KIDS WE'RE HOME EARLY" (27 new answers, 27+ unread)

Is this about times you've been rumbled by your parents? Actually, I don't care.

MANPRIs (21 new answers, 21+ unread)

What?

MODERATOR ANNOUNCEMENT: ILE to accept posts from registered users only (465 new answers, 1 unread)

More meta-shit. Essential meta-shit, sadly. There was fighting on it, yes?

"Manhunt" withdrawn from Dixons stores (110 new answers)

A good going over of an old but new topic.

DON'T THINK: What's making you laugh the most these days. (54 new answers, 54+ unread)

I like thinking.

death and how to live through it (10 new answers, 10 unread)

Don't like this title much. Somehow, even a capital D would have helped. I've looked at it now and I see people have put a lot of time into their posts. Good stuff, though not for me, just now. Actually, I've never really seen ILE has a place to talk about stuff like that, but that's just me.

Big Brother (US) - DNA

It's a shame Big Brother is such a flop in America.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

So basically you like...fruit.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

...and Big Brother.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

And punching women in the face.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

(I realise I should go through that list of 2001 topics I generally approved of, but my thumb hurts)

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

And there weren't just three I liked!

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, I didn't read the whole thing.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

why limit yourself?

luna (luna.c), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the ones where people argue about it with Vic, a bit. Maybe this is one of them.

It is.

oops (Oops), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude -- how hilarious is it that you talk about "meta shit" in your ILX POST IN WHICH YOU RATE ALL THE THREAD TITLES IN THE NEW ANSWERS COLUMN IN A THREAD ABOUT THE HISTORY OF ILX.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

so back in the day *all* the threads appealed to you? i mean, i'm american, but i don't read the convention thread, among others. at a fair number of yr complaints one can respond: okay, don't read that one/okay create one of yr own that's better.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah -- wtf does that accomplish? Many threads do not appeal to you now = what?

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude -- how hilarious is it that you talk about "meta shit" in your ILX POST IN WHICH YOU RATE ALL THE THREAD TITLES IN THE NEW ANSWERS COLUMN IN A THREAD ABOUT THE HISTORY OF ILX.

Oh, I get drawn into things I don't really have much interest in all right. That's when I know I'm not enjoying ILX and should take a break. And I did say that as meta-threads go, this one was OK.

Maybe it was a bad idea. Sorry. As I said - it wasn't supposed to be an attack, and I really don't think I was that negative! I said I liked quite a few threads, and why. As I said, I really should do a comparison with the older list, but I was serious about my thumb hurting and I thought it was clear enough if you go back to the 2001 list that many of the things I do deprecate were not so prevalent then.

I don't expect people to change way they post or start threads. It would be ridiculous to ask them to do that just to please me. Paulhw asked how it had changed and that was just supposed to illustrate it a bit.

Carry on.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

But without a comparison it doesn't illustrate anything except what it's like to you now.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a bit defensive, the question was asked and not once has Dastoor tried to insult any of you, and has even gone out of his way to express that these are just his reasons for not posting on certain threads where he would've posted on more in the past, and not meant as any call to a new order.

The only thing I'm confused about is why he even answered the question. I clicked on the thread because I was intrigued by the amount of answers there were, what with the usual anti-nu-ilx suspects not having been around much lately. I'm only answering (non-answering actually) because I'm genuinely curious as to wtf roxy is getting pissed off with Dastoor about.

I'm with Jimmy the Mod.

(err xpost, see what he said for himself I suppose)

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not pissed off at Dastoor!

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

also: i need to know if you can swim, since that's the only thread i started

xp hooray return allyzay ps we're not pissed but we're the newcomers so obv we'd feel slighted

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i guess the old saying goes if there's something you want to discuss then post your question (or revive old threads if necessary). then surely the topic will get discussed and the proportions of thread you don't like will reduce.

unless you think that people won't like discussing things that you like? or if you don't like discussing things with the people here anymore?

ken c (ken c), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Weird Animals (15 new answers)

Filler. OK.

:(

FYI it is an amalgamation of zoological oddities and curiosities meant to broaden one's (and my own) awareness of biological diversity.

Hrmph!

The Dreaded Rear Admiral (Leee), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

A dude can't rag on someone for posting a giant review of new answers? And it has nothing to do with ILX this or ILX now or whatever, because I don't know what it was like and don't care if someone thinks it sucks, cause it often does (see other posts of mine on this thread). Also, I like Dastoor. He is one of my faves. I am not mad. Nor defensive. Just poking the fun. Sorry if it scared people.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I miss "N".

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

roxy's just pissed off because she doesn't like the word "longtime"

ken c (ken c), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally is right, it did seem defensive. (this coming from someone who has gotten similarly defensive in the past)

Roxy is right though, too. (which makes Ally wrong). He wasn't really answering the question, seeing as the question wasn't "why not give us your personal review of the New Answers page?".

oops (Oops), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I'M SORRY, IT JUST SEEMED THAT YOU WERE GETTING AGITATED WITH HIM, CARRY ON.

xpost I think a huge part of the problem discussing the "difference" between the old and the new has to do with people always assuming any perceived disrespect towards either side is directed towards the entirety of the group, which is never really the case. And I think that what Ken says in his last line is just about a good summary of it: whether or not the threads were better/worse/same in topic three years ago, there is no question that the people who post on the board changed. If you dislike discussing things with XYZ people within the new group, or you preferred the XYZ people of the old group who have disappeared (this is an inevitable phenomenon anyway, people get tired of things, not necessarily "driven away" as often claimed by people), then you will dislike the tone of the board. Not wanting to partake in certain things isn't necessarily a condemnation of the people involved or a judgement call of "good v. bad", it's just a statement that you don't want to partake in what is happening in that area.

You can, I suppose, compare it to the phenomenon of bars, to clear up my convolution here, right. You have your neighborhood bar. You have a set group of people in your neighborhood bar you are friends with. You might also have some people there you really dislike, but at any rate you're used to all of these people and you're used to the tone of this neighborhood joint. Now, suddenly, your neighborhood joint becomes a "hot spot" and there is an influx of people. Some of the original regulars are going to be offended on principal. Others are going to feel that the "tone" has changed, people play different songs on the jukebox or your beer runs out on draught more regularly or whatever, and have a hard time adjusting. Other people still enjoy the bartenders there and resolve to make new friends. Still more people stick with their original group, while still going to this neighborhood hot spot. It's not saying that any of the old group's responses are good or bad, or that any of the new people are good or bad for coming in. It's just a human response.

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

well, i don't like discussing things with tiny little t. rex arms, it's true

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"This place is dead anyway"
http://www.henley-on-thames.com/main/news/previous%202002/131202/photos/131202/13a.jpg

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Leeee, we all need a bit of filler! And yeah, it's only filler to me, I guess, because I'm not that interested in zoology. I realise it's not just all pictures of wacky animals (like what I posted!)

I feel bad, though. There were a lot of frivolous snap judgements, like commenting on a Top 40 singles chart, or something.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Nu-Allyzay is very wise.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that a dig at Ken C?

xxxpost

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, xpost, oops, please explain to me how Dastoor, a "longtime ILXor" (it sounds like a condition of plague), posting his thoughts on the new answers list as of now and how he personally relates to it, not even theoretically an answer to the question:

Has the tone or style of conversation changed?

I mean, no, he didn't do a comparison but his replies to each thread indicated reasons why he felt the board had changed in some way, for him personally.

I'm not sure what constitutes a "longtime ILXor," because I am pretty sure several of the posters on this thread have been here for a long time now and would count as such?

xpost someone here has tiny little arms? Ugh, seriously, I can't handle that, I'm done.

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

ally: of course it's a human response! we're just trying to argue that hey we newcomers aren't so bad when you set aside the old-school thing. besides, you have even requested that certain older threads be deleted, so it's not like everything older is good...

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I always always enjoy Jimmy The Mod's contributions, and he's been around forever.

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

oh and it was a dig at ken c's photoshopped arms

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

ie, a joke

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooh - can I make a person plea here (it seems as good a place as any) not to use my full real name anymore. I guess surname alone isn't too bad. I've just changed my mind about googlibility, based on a couple of minor things that have happened to me. Nothing serious. Ta.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, awesome.

xpost, no prob alba.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

okay jessica i mean dude with alarm clock!

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally: cause he only explained his reaction to things now, and didn't contrast it to his reactions to things then. Perhaps you, being around way back then, know how he felt about ILE then, but he didn't make it explicit to the rest of us. Only one end of the comparison was made. He said his thumbs were tired. Fine, okay.

oops (Oops), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

For the record, to make my position on "nu-ILX" and whether or not it bothers me clear, the only times I have hiatused from ILX have had to do with one of two things:

1) personal, unwarranted harrassment from a definite "longtime ILXor" (who seems gone though perhaps posting this will bring it)
2) having fights with Tom over things I've posted to ILX and me throwing a regrettable stroppy fit and doing things like abolishing ILX from my computer, deleting my photo archive, etc to spite him.

So, to me, a longtime ILXor, the board has definitely changed, just as I have changed a lot, and because of both of those things (plus the two mentioned above) I use the board less now, but, hell, I'm like one of 10 people who doesn't seem to dislike Jon Williams, I'm certainly not going to dislike your average ILXor. For a while it was a bit bothersome to me, because I no longer felt I could use the board for the purposes I was originally using it for, but pretty soon I realized that was quite childish and I really didn't care very much and like the occasional distraction it might offer now.

xpost no, I am never going to defend the proposition that everything old is good, mookieproof, far from it, I am wholly in advocation of deleting the entire archive, truth be told.

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

oh and Alba, I apologize for use of name!

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

You are all goading me so much I can see I'm going to have to do the comparison tomorrow and I'll end up proving myself wrong or something.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

N., I was being defensive myself. I've been sensitive lately.

And your naked penis contribution is monumental!

The Dreaded Rear Admiral (Leee), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)


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