TS: SHOWGIRLS vs. ROAD HOUSE

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Whoa. I think I know what I'm bringing with me when I visit in April.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Morbius, you need to try Showgirls. Really, if there is a definition of "transcendent botch" it's Showgirls.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:05 (twenty years ago)

I'm worried that ppl who hold that opinion also think Starship Troopers is sharp satire.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Honey don't even insult me like that.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)

But some of Showgirls' Generation Y champions maintain it is, in fact, great -- "easily the most significant film of the 1990s" per Eric H. Anyway, I can't be part of this debate til I see it...

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Showgirls over and over again

― kingfish russian bigamist (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Yes, that's what I'd expect you to say, kf.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:47 (twenty years ago)

What, you wouldn't favor such a flick with dialogue like "Ah'm a dance-sah, not a whooar" or "You got low self-esteem, baby, you're a fantastic fuck," or such passionate lovemaking rendered onscreen in its "epilepsy in a pool" form?

― kingfish russian bigamist (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:54 (twenty years ago)

fwiw, I don't think Starship Troopers is anywhere near as great as Showgirls. But something tells me Showgirls is not your speed. Put it this way: have we really agreed on all that much aside from Spielberg, Morbs?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I think we have. Winter Soldier andThe Joy of Life? (but I didn't like War of the Worlds as much as you did.)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

if i ever type anything like as I like, y'know, good movies i want someone to shoot me with a potato gun. k?

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

also, I had to vote for Showgirls, b/c Demolition Man isn't one of the choices

― kingfish russian bigamist (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but what trash-art (or artsploitation or whatev) movies have we agreed on? I'm more curious than accusatory...

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:14 (twenty years ago)

if i ever type anything like as I like, y'know, good movies i want someone to shoot me with a potato gun. k?

CPFG OTM

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

kingfish, it's ok. Don't worry about it.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

In fact please never worry about anything again.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Right-o, then. Next time there's a need to rep for Demolition Man, someone give a holler.

xpost ned, can i be "deeply troubled" over something?

― kingfish new taco bell and rob schneider (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:21 (twenty years ago)

I'm trying to remember other trash-art you've extolled, EH -- I Accuse My Parents? I liked The Last Boy Scout.

Just be sure to see all this year's Razzie winners before 2046, fatguy. Really, the whole Snicker Patrol aesthetic has really infected hipsterdom like a plague. Celebrate junk, go hear Wing live in Quebec... my time's a-wastin'.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:25 (twenty years ago)

I've never seen Roadhouse.

― adamrl (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it's really part of the cultural fabric in England, not like Showgirls.

― adamrl (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Further proof that you are not really an American. Get out, you commie.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Put it this way: have we really agreed on all that much aside from Spielberg, Morbs?
-- Eric H., January 12th, 2006 10:59 AM. (Eric H.)

Just be sure to see all this year's Razzie winners before 2046, fatguy.
-- Dr Morbius, January 12th, 2006 11:25 AM.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Just be sure to see all this year's Razzie winners before 2046, fatguy. Really, the whole Snicker Patrol aesthetic has really infected hipsterdom like a plague. Celebrate junk, go hear Wing live in Quebec... my time's a-wastin'.

speak english.

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:55 (twenty years ago)

discus

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:57 (twenty years ago)

That's when I reach for my potato gun.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:00 (twenty years ago)

Put it this way: have we really agreed on all that much aside from Spielberg, Morbs?
-- Eric H., January 12th, 2006 10:59 AM. (Eric H.)

Just be sure to see all this year's Razzie winners before 2046, fatguy.
-- Dr Morbius, January 12th, 2006 11:25 AM.

-- Eric H. (ephende...), January 12th, 2006.

I don't get it.

When I started reading a lot about film in the high school liberry, only the Medved brothers were creaming themselves over 'bad' films, and we know how one of them ended up. So this could be a generational thing. Again. *sigh*

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:16 (twenty years ago)

Yes, to love bad movies is to be a Nazi. Er, wait.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:17 (twenty years ago)

http://www.kilroywashere.org/09-Images/Eric/Mein_Kampf.jpg

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:18 (twenty years ago)

dr morbius, how do you feel about buckaroo banzai?

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

Um, the Medved brothers pretty much hated all those movies for real (the fire and brimstone was there even then; re-read the anti-gay snipes in their coverage of Ivan the Terrible -- or, better yet, don't read it at all as it's vile writing generally)... back then and now. I don't hate-love Showgirls. I love-love it.

Anyway, I was only pointing out that we don't have as similar taste as it would otherwise seem. Taste(lessness) =/= depth of perception, thankfully.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:22 (twenty years ago)

i don't understand the turn this thread has taken.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:23 (twenty years ago)

Because you laugh at things, you are full of hate.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:25 (twenty years ago)

(x-post x-post)

Oh, and:

Humorless filmgoers in the 1960s/70s: "This retroactive love for Sirk... must be a generational thing."

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:26 (twenty years ago)

eric i like your blog.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:27 (twenty years ago)

i don't understand the turn this thread has taken.

(but seriously, thanks.)

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:34 (twenty years ago)

No, Ned. To love TRULY bad movies is a waste of time. I need the MST3K robots to amplify and redirect the entertainment... or rather, needed, since I haven't rewatched the show since it ended.

I remember seeing Buckaroo Banzai when it first came out, loving Lithgow (Dr Lizardo?) and being otherwise indifferent.

Eric, I sometimes wish I had your taste; I've never encountered someone younger who likes Jerry Lewis more than I do.

I don't hate-love Showgirls. I love-love it.

That's very clear; it's the oozing ubiquity of hate-love I am railing against in my pre-dotage. And I haven't seen that Medved book in forever, so I'll take your advice. (btw, so you find Showgirls to be a triumph of Verhoeven spinning Eszterhas into gold? cuz I think most pervy college kids could barf up that dialogue, they just wouldn't have the balls to film it.)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:11 (twenty years ago)

In praise of bad movies

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:15 (twenty years ago)

I've seen an average of something like two movies a year in the theater since about 1990 or so, when my previously fierce and strong love for moviegoing mostly died a miserable death

Well OK, we're just coming from entirely different places, then. That just makes me sad you lost the habit. (And I can't abide bad music and bad books either. I finished The Hotel New Hampshire 20 years ago and vowed Never Again. As for bad as in Danielle Steel, the temptation never arose.)

I have pitched my tent a long ways from the land of Camp, which explains why so many heteros here are gayer than me. (And actually lots of that abominable contemporary dance pop.)

ET, the Extra Testicle

Dude, I saw that on a Manhattan porn marquee 20+ years ago!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:38 (twenty years ago)

actually lots of that abominable contemporary dance pop.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:41 (twenty years ago)

That just makes me sad you lost the habit.

I do not regret losing a habit which over the last few years in particular, in terms of the costs of theater tickets etc. these days, rapidly became unaffordable given my budget. That said, I've been to a few more films in the theater this last year but the sheer horribleness of most of the movie experience outside of the actual movie itself makes me want to kill people. Fuck you, 'The Twenty.'

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)

ned in 15 years 'the twenty' will be seen as an essential part of the movie going experience. children will not be able to remember a time without it. get on board now.

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:44 (twenty years ago)

I think children will be the first to confine their viewings to their Home Theayter Dolbyized Bedrooms.

The absence of 'The Twenty' and its ilk before Kazakh films at Lincoln Center have squeezed the multiplex even further outta my life.

(last try: actually LIKE lots of that abominable...)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:03 (twenty years ago)

OMG you're talking about the twenty!

― adamrl (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:06 (twenty years ago)

The premise lifts Roadhouse well above Showgirls. I mean, any one of us could have pitched Showgirls, but whoever came up with the idea of Roadhouse is truly loopy.

― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:12 (twenty years ago)

There were tons of philo majors like the Swayz when I was at NYU.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:13 (twenty years ago)

(And actually LIKE lots of that abominable contemporary dance pop.)

Uh-oh. Better skip Slant's next major list project.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 13 January 2006 00:56 (twenty years ago)

There were tons of philo majors like the Swayz when I was at NYU.

-- Dr Morbius (wjwe...), January 12th, 2006.

yeah, but were they TOTAL BADASSES?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 13 January 2006 13:23 (twenty years ago)

(with a heart of gold, of course)

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 13 January 2006 13:23 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...

There were tons of philo majors like the Swayz when I was at NYU.

You know, I am so not surprised. About anything.

Anyway, Dan has now seen both and believed. His most common line all evening -- "Wow."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 April 2006 03:52 (twenty years ago)

but which does he choose???

― lil' merzbow wow (haitch), Thursday, 20 April 2006 09:28 (twenty years ago)

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