We Still Have a Government, Right?: Canadian Politics 2020

No, I think you make an excellent point: there's bound to be a feedback loop at play here as well.

RIP victims of Marc Lépine

RIP

Word on the internet street is Quebec will be entering a second March/April-style lockdown on the 18th…

The Pfizer vaccine got approved today. Following the news has been so strange the past couple of weeks: the calamity of right now on one side, all the vaccine news on the other.

This is QC-specific, but I found the implied timeline here fairly sobering from a personal, I-am-42 perspective: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-vaccine-explained-1.5828321

I'm writing off 2021 and will be pleasantly surprised if things feel "normal" in any meaningful way before 2022 tbh

Word on the internet street is Quebec will be entering a second March/April-style lockdown on the 18th…

― pomenitul, Wednesday, December 9, 2020 12:32 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Please.

I think we should have entered that type of lockdown a month ago easily.

addressing the pornhub convo earlier: https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/v7m7k8/pornhub-banned-uploads-policy-change

I'm writing off 2021

Probably a good idea. Mississauga has extended their mask ordinance until next summer.

Based on the press conference I just heard, sounds like there's a good chance London will be moved into the red zone, possibly tomorrow, and there was even talk of grey zone before long.

Just found out my childhood best friend has come up as a positive covid case - out in Durham region. Luckily not severe, but the rest of her family has to isolate and get tested now. The main symptom that made her go get a test was developing pink eye, so that’s something to look out for.

I saw recently that Lifelabs is actually offering an antibody detection test - for a fee. Minimal advertising of that, but it’s good to know it’s an option. I wonder if documented presence of antibodies could preclude needing a vaccination.

This thread is not a pleasant read:

1) Montreal posted a 7% #COVID19 testing positivity rate on Thursday, 2.1% higher than New York City’s rate. Montreal also reported a record 648 cases, 90 more than Toronto. In this thread, I will focus on the rapidly deteriorating situation in the metropolis. pic.twitter.com/ge1rIetDnA

— Aaron Derfel (@Aaron_Derfel) December 11, 2020

From my Facebook wall:

Toronto: 496 new cases of COVID-19 today
Edmonton: 943 new cases of COVID-19 today

Toronto cases per 100,000: 119
Edmonton cases per 100,000: 755

I'm writing off 2021 and will be pleasantly surprised if things feel "normal" in any meaningful way before 2022 tbh

― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:43 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is probably safe. but assuming they are good at targeting vulnerable populations with the initial rounds, if deaths/hospitalizations decouple from cases and slow to a trickle, things could feel pretty different by spring

First vaccinations in Quebec and Ontario:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-vaccine-maimonides-covid-19-1.5840233
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/covid-19-coronavirus-ontario-december-14-vaccines-arrive-1.5840092

Erin O'Toole says residential schools were originally created to provide education and "became horrible" and comes up with a partisan version of history where Liberals were to blame in the modern era and Conservatives were saviours or something:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7524370/otoole-residential-schools-eduction-horrible/

I don't see how the history he gives in the attached video clip even makes sense. How could Chrétien have opened residential schools if the programme was closed by Mulroney, who was PM before him? Or does he mean this happened when Chrétien was PET's Indian Affairs Minister in the 60s and 70s? Either way, it seems wrong since the last school closed in 96, three years after Chrétien took power and three years after Mulroney's last term ended. Is it true that PET opened as many schools as he says? I couldn't find anything on that, although it's not impossible.

Also, when did Mulroney's reputation get revived to the point that both Liberals and Conservatives praise him now??

There's a famous line in Chinatown that answers that.

“Most of the lefty radicals are also the dumbest people at your university,” O’Toole told the campus conservatives.

Classy!

you'd think O'Toole's goal would be to figure out how to win the 50 seats that they need for the majority and are currently held by centre leftish parties, but I guess that's too hard so he'll just keep engaging in right wing culture wars

https://globalnews.ca/news/7525966/residential-schools-otoole-bellegarde-indigenous-backtrack/

based on this and the BC election, Canadian conservative politicians need to never get on zoom

A record-breaking 2146 new cases in Quebec today, second day in a row above 2000. The post-Christmas spike will be nightmarish.

Ontario not doing much better: https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-logs-more-than-2-300-new-covid-19-cases-25-deaths-1.5239213

After I saw someone mention it, I wonder if it's notable how low numbers are in Atlantic Canada. New Brunswick has 5 new cases, for instance. Even if you multiply by 18 to account for the difference in population vs Ontario, that would be like 90 new cases as opposed to 2300. Does population density explain it?

I was thinking the same, that it's similar to the mathematical logic that governs traffic jams (there's a term for it that escapes me): you steadily slow down as more and more cars appear, but then you hit the tipping point with one too many cars and everything quickly comes to a complete halt.

I’m expecting the restrictions to expand to more areas pretty soon. We’re Halton here, right next to Peel and judging by the unusually crowded state of our local malls right now, the regional approach hasn’t stopped most from going shopping and is only facilitating spread. I’ll be surprised if the schools reopen on schedule as well.

MB, with less than 1.5x the population of NB, reported 238 new cases on Saturday fwiw.

Sund4r - it's just much fewer initial cases before control measures were put in place.

Quebec had tons of COVID basically from the start, then it increases exponentially.

The cautionary tales are places like SK or AB: things can still get out of control to the point you have "too many initial cases before control measures are put in place."

An anti-vaxxer/covidiot protest is currently underway here. The fines will no doubt comfort them in their belief that a medicalized dictatorship has taken us hostage.

An anti-vaxxer/covidiot protest is currently underway here. The fines will no doubt comfort them in their belief that a medicalized dictatorship has taken us hostage.

This week was quite cold, but we're at -1°C today, which may have encouraged them.

I expected an extended school break, not this:

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2020/12/20/all-regions-in-ontario-to-enter-lockdown-starting-christmas-eve-source/

Regional approach is failing hard and cellphone data metrics confirm that very few are staying put right now. Reasons for that are debatable, but it’s an obvious enough problem that a blanket time out seems like the most effective counter measure. The dopes are going to lose their minds though.

If anything was learned from the spring lockdown, I hope at the very least panic-buying doesn't start up again.

For essentials? I doubt it’ll be the same as spring - but the regular retail outlets that are still open now are going to get absolutely slammed with people suddenly realizing there will be no Boxing Day sales.

I meant in terms of grocery stores--which obviously are staying open, but that didn't stop people in the spring. Anyway, lockdown already happened for much of the province weeks ago, so that question has probably already been answered. This'll be the first time for St. Marys since the spring, though.

Ugh, hope this doesn't happen. Ottawa currently has literally no one in the ICU and has had one death in the four days.

RIP Leo Panitch: https://www.facebook.com/CDNDimension/photos/a.1043081479039043/5404877109526103/

That makes sense btw, sean.

Word is that it’s set to be a 28 day lockdown, except northern on which gets 14 days, elementary schools closed til Jan 11, and high schools til the 21st, but with online learning. Unconfirmed tho.

more on the horrific digital eviction process

https://www.vice.com/en/article/epdavj/20-hours-of-watching-canadians-get-evicted-over-zoom-court-shows-a-system-under-strain

(I'm definitely just out of frame in that photograph, incidentally)

Ontario shutdown is official now: 14d in Northern Ontario starting Boxing Day, 28d in the rest of the province

He gave a shout-out to Ottawa's successes but said we need to shut down to keep out Quebecers fleeing their shutdown (?)

That actually made sense to me...am I missing the obvious flaw in that hypothetical?

No, the logic makes sense; was just confirming that I heard and understood right when listening and typing

Was also just frustrated. Although I'm actually not sure - is QC going to be locked down for the same length of time?

Lockdown in Quebec is only until January 11th for now. I expect it to be prolonged, but who knows with this government.