Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

Something must be wrong ... he didn't bring up ... postpunk!!!

― the pinefox, Tuesday, July 7, 2009 1:20 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol yes.

Don't agree with that. Looking intently at the environment and reading it are skills that can be useful and illuminating for anybody, not just post-Situ "cultural theorists" or whatever.

― My Slow Descent into Assholism (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, July 7, 2009 1:23 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

being rational for a minute, i can see this.... just about. it is possible to write about anything and make it interesting, as long as you lay off the cult-studies stuff & have a voice worth hearing.

but i do think that a good novel or film is more likely to address weighty, human issues than a reading of a train carriage. he's saying that a train carriage is equivalent, as a thing to "read", to a novel or film.

find this almost impossible to get behind, but would find it easier if the reviewers weren't cult-studs guys.

This is partly tied up with me not being a fan of plot/story/excitement, they're usually the least interesting bit of a film or book to me - accept that this is a potentially douchey position, but that's how I roll.

But I spent some time during the last year working on a Local History class, pretty low-level stuff as far as education was concerned, more a way of encouraging some people back into education. And the amount of interest you can generate from looking around the city centre with a fairly knowleadgable guide and the eyes and experiences of a group of random people is hugely fun and enlightening.

Beyond that, although I absolutely don't subscribe to the idea that we passively consume entertainment, I think a media/entertainment-saturated environment might be weakening our ability to look clearly at the mundane, to soak it up, to get meditative really. I think practices that can help people work towards that in a non-wanky way are generally positive and to be encouraged.

Altho yes I guess what we can discover by drive-by meditation are not the same kind of experiences and ideas as novels or films address, in terms of human issues.

I think practices that can help people work towards that in a non-wanky way are generally positive and to be encouraged.

imo the good ol' narrative is the best way to do this. especially with history! i wouldn't know how else to handle it. remain completely unmoved by arguments against narrative, and don't understand how the folks advancing them are meant to be of the left. if you're claiming the marxist heritage, you are also signing up to a teleological view of history.

I fall out with Marx about all sorts of stuff nowadays. But I'm not denying a place for narrative, as a way of interpreting the world. Just not the only way, and I want to find an equally valuable place for a zen-like wallow in presence or phenomena or something. The mundane is the best label I have at the moment. Biggest problem for History I can see at the moment...okay, not problem but limit of what History is...is an inability to get at some core of how it feels to be an individual within a moment in time within a context. Narrative kind of pins and deadens and yes you need that too but.

i see what you mean... lol in the end i think im just asking for people to do what they do well, not rely on theory to give them the facts, etc. in practice narrative always includes a volume of description, scene-setting, and so on. but it provides an exciting way of moving from description to description, from individual to generalization... like with 'public enemies'.

haha

I think narrative/mundane are both there in almost all movies. Definitely in all mainstream or entertainment movies. Even full-length pornos usually make some concession to it. It's more a question of where your focus goes as a viewer. Mann strikes me as a guy who spends as much time thinking about the non-narrative aspects of his movies as he does anything else. Maybe all lol auteurs do this.

My general theme here is that psychogeography is a potentially cool idea mostly practised by nobs.

Don't know why I italicised that. Don't remember doing it in fact.

could be a l0u1s jagg3r thing

My general theme here is that psychogeography is a potentially cool idea mostly practised by nobs.

Nobs as in poshos or dicks? I'm leaving l0u1s jagg3r out of this one.

Tom you oughta know by now I'm gonna use those terms near-synonymously. But I meant the latter really. Okay, what about psychogeography is cool unless you actual use that word to identify what you're doing? Have never to my knowledge told Mrs V I was popping out for a quick dérive.

for people to do what they do well, not rely on theory to give them the facts

this, really.

no i mean maybe the word psychogeography is coded to be in ital, a la lewis jagger.

More likely too much time on ILX and I'm just subconsciously inserting random bbcode tags at this point.

by a former ilxor.

Owen Hatherley was a former ilxor? I did not know that. Under what nom de plume did he roll?

Wrong emphasis there - probably "did not know that" would make more sense (just about).

Steve Buscemi in Ghost World: discuss

Ahhh, using your own name - clever...

Some sort of weirdo, this guy?

Just catching up with this thread - loving the above and to and fro-ing of ideas and thinking - but when I read it I just liked it 'cos it was about roads.

xpost

Dunno, too busy lolling at this timeless Miccio post: The fact that I couldn't jerk off to a movie rife with well-endowed hipster chicks in short skirts reaffirms how unpleasant I found most of the film.

That's true, about the film, really - the girls are naurally beautiful but Buscemi is naturally vile.

btw people have lost sight of the crucial question, which concerns the relation between narrative and theory in the work of Laura Barton.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/jul/09/women-men-better-off-without

not clicking on tanya gold stories. the more you click, the more they'll print her.

It is a very true truism that men are good at music because they prefer it to speech.

Not sure I'd call this a truism, maybe more a... challop

I don't even understand it - but then I am a man.

A very challopy challop

Yeh, not the most neutral of sources, but this is interesting -- especially the last line:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/media/5797090/Phone-tapping-row-analysis-of-The-Guardians-claims.html

I'm not for one second condoning phone hacking, phone tapping or indeed low-grade tabloid muck-raking, but -- as I said on the David Cameron thread -- there's something about the Guardian's triumphalist reporting that's rankled a little.

I do not wish to defend every action of the News International empire, but Rupert Murdoch has been an overwhelming force for good in this country's life and politics.

Words fail. Perhaps Tim Montgomerie needs to watch this Fry & Laurie sketch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1aZcsY-O8Q

some proper old-school guardianism here:

The advertisement centres on the word "market" – a word that eastern Europeans/Russians pronounce "meerkat" – using talking CGI-animated meerkats. The sole point of this African animal's appearance is, it seems, to highlight the idea that east Europeans cannot pronounce the word market properly when they speak English.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/22/advertising-racism-meerkats

to be fair to the guardian, they are the worst adverts in the world

Not when that Peugeot 308 advert exists they aren't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-f-6drx3KQ

Aargh all advertising executives must die!

It is one of those irritatingly awful adverts that does the job. When trying to remember market comparison sites recently I remembered this monstrosity and forgot gocompare.com. Astonished to see some Cif commentators call it funny.

Not sure if it's racist.

the go compare advert is far far far worse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_-9QFvhQWo

My curvy Colombian wife feels exactly the same way about the Old El Paso adv-

Ha ha. I will not forget gocompare.com in a hurry again.

(One of) the other Peter Joneses's adverts for moneysupermarket.com lags well behind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtsX6mFlyxs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o-I_zsqiwg

confused.com horrible cutesy "we want to be your friend" ads are hateful too.

Dolmio would dectruple their sales if they just ran with the above

disturbingly realistic.

As for Compare the Meerkat, racism is a-ok with me when compared to that "do you have a beard?" "do you like ice cream?" bawjaws in whatever advert that is.

oh god yeah i really hate that guy.

my blood pressure rises as soon as he comes on.

Just noticed that the technology section has a new correspondent whose name is Mercedes Bunz.