GET OUT: US politics November 2020

hopes are different than expectations, i think everybody "hopes" that shit will be good but realistically c'mon now

Not sure who that's aimed at, but I have neither high hopes nor expectations for the Biden presidency. I also don't think he's a cartoon villain who can't wait to get into the White House so he can once again dine on the ground-up bones of the poors and the adrenochrome of their orphaned children.

same as appalachia i guess

I didn't know we were comparing street cred but I mean, I literally live in Southern Appalachia.

Mutual incomprehension and easy dismissal are stock in trade on message boards.

i do really like "big" don abernathy as a name...fun to say...the quotes around "big" give it a certain zing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_qX5bPbPUo

“made a point to repeatedly holler” “on little provocation” lol what yeah each in every time in response to be being specifically accused of planning to ban fracking which of course is believed to be a liability in PA.

― “Big” Don Abernathy, Tuesday, December 1, 2020 1:31 PM (one hour ago)

You should claim they accosted mild mannered random voters on the street and screamed at them that they got off on not banning fracking just to take it slightly up a notch.

― “Big” Don Abernathy, Tuesday, December 1, 2020 1:33 PM (one hour ago)

even if

A majority of Pennsylvanians support a fracking ban.

― onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Tuesday, December 1, 2020 1:45 PM (one hour ago)

weren't the case, did nobody tell them that the debates were being televised around the entire planet, including 51.5 other states?

or that it's possible to be asked bad faith questions about niche interests that damage the planet, and take them as an opportunity to talk about how renewable energy will provide many more jobs, which will be more sustainable, and will stop destroying life on the planet?

seems like an oversight imo. weird that neither of them have ever watched a presidential debate on tv though!

Yeah, it’s time for me to bow out of these politics threads. People constantly arguing in bad faith isn’t worth wading through to get to the gems from the people I do like around these threads. Kind of amazed that these got infinitely worse AFTER the election.

Why? The only issue we all agreed on is resolved.

my understanding was the debates were speaking to people already convinced. the comments about fracking were directed at people in specific areas on the ground whose livelihoods were affected

Whatever reason you want to assign doesn’t matter. As policy it’s bad and as realpolitik it’s pointless - but it was important for them to signal the progressive acts we’re NOT going to do, as was the recurring theme of the campaign.

it seems like you only see politics in the most black-and-white terms

What's the gray area of fracking? We're doing a bang up job of increasing shareholder value through its continued use?

you're winning milo

you won

no one has any clue what the fuck they're talking about

"Bag" Dong Gabbernasty

dag nag nasty nu-bottom

the fucking stupidest century

President Trump’s political operation has raised more than $150 million since Election Day, using a blizzard of misleading appeals about the election to shatter fundraising records set during the campaign, according to people with knowledge of the contributions.

The influx of political donations is one reason Trump and some allies are inclined to continue a legal onslaught and public affairs blitz focused on baseless claims of election fraud, even as their attempts have repeatedly failed in court and as key states continue to certify wins for President-elect Joe Biden.

nbd, just 150 million in the name of something so fucking stupid i want to puke again and again

i'm sure you'll all cheerlead for the donation of so much to so little, but god DAMN $150M?!?!?!?!?!!?

good on those donors, it's not as if there's some stupid pandemic or something going on

lately i feel that table is more and more otm, in re: just giving money directly to the people who need it FUCK all these organizations that don't amount to SHIT. i have seen that firsthand. what a failure. what an embarrassment. fuck all of it. just give it to the people who need it AND stay with them afterward instead of peac3ing off after the transfer of money.

so if I Venmo'd Vanilla Ice, I should see if he'll let me sleep over?

I did not Venom Vanilla Ice

*Venmo

You venomed Vanilla Ice? He was all I had!

Karl are you currently attempting a 420 unlock on Havin' A Roni

cut that zero, venmo the hero

There was never a feeling that Biden had this election in the bag. It never felt like a sure thing. The things he said on the campaign trail were all part of a winning strategy. There were things he could have said that could have been twisted by the opposition to torpedo his campaign. That always felt like a real danger- he had to be extremely careful what he said. But he didn’t say anything that they were able to turn into an effective weapon against him. No “basket of deplorables” moments. And he built the coalition that he needed to win. It’s hard to argue with success- he won what at times felt like an unwinnable election, despite the other side trying all their dirty tricks, and despite Democrats losing all the close down-ballot races. I’m not ready now, 7 weeks before inauguration day, to pre-judge Biden’s presidency based on what he said on the campaign trail. He said a lot of good things, and certainly some bad things. I hope he follows through on the good things, and not on the bad things. But there is no way of knowing either way until he is in office and actually starts governing. Primarily right now, I’m just looking forward to Trump leaving office, Trump’s cabinet and cronies getting kicked out, and Biden canceling all of Trump’s executive orders and getting rid of all the bullshit that has been infuriating me on a daily basis for 4 years. That’s what I’m trying to focus on now. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on fracking and policing until I see his actual policies in practice. These were controversial topics that could have easily been weaponized against him and he had to be very careful about what he said. The wrong statement could have turned the tide against him. Again- look at the ground lost by down-ballot Democrats. This whole election was balanced on a knife’s edge, and Biden stayed on the right side of it the whole time. As far as I’m concerned, he has earned the right to at least actually take office before getting buried in criticism.

I mean, the bullshit Trump pulled with the USPS. Kanye’s candidacy. Voter intimidation. You name it, they tried it. They were throwing everything at the wall to try to cheat their way to a win. It’s not like Biden could have just coasted to victory on a wave of pure progressive ideology.

otm tbrr

thirded

agreed but I don't think Kanye's candidacy was an intentional part of that scheme lol

Actually no, he doesn't.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/13/is-jared-kushner-illegally-coordinating-with-kanye-west/

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Like perhaps you've not been paying attention, but Joe Biden is a racist sack of shit whose major policy initiative of the 90s almost single-handedly led to the state-sponsored slavery we see in today's carceral systems.

If you're okay with that, that's on you, but a guy who has helped to ruin hundreds of thousands of peoples' lives doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from any thinking or feeling individual.

It's true; nobody on ILX thinks or feels except table and milo.

Christ, this is so fucking boring.

Biden is already making moves that I think are very much worth criticizing, but I understand the inclination to hold off.

as someone who had a hell of a time personally criticizing and even countenancing criticism of Obama (mostly from the ‘the very Concerned and extremely Serious’ corporate media, but absolutely from the Left as well) well into his second term, I do wonder how long a proper honeymoon period should last

IMO: feel free to criticize the things Biden has done, feel free to criticize the things Biden is doing, but if you feel compelled to criticize the things Biden has only done in your florid imaginings of the next 4-8 years then gtfo.

Presidents and soon-to-be Presidents should be criticized mercilessly, their positions and actions interrogated from top to bottom. Part of the cross to bear for deciding that you want to be the most powerful person on the planet.

saying people itt are “okay with” the us criminal justice system because they’re not currently joining in your biden dogpile is outrageous tbh

“guess you’re a big fan of donald trump since you wanted a nominee who could have never beaten him. huh - well, that’s on you” fuck outta here

wait a minute-- Biden is pro-slavery? Why didn't this come out before the election? #RIGGED

well into his second term

actually that’s not true. I think I do remember being mildly annoyed by the time of the 2012 election, but among my subset of friends who pay an inordinate and prob unhealthy amount of attn to this stuff I feel like I was regarded Captain Save-an-O

Is it churlish to point out that the Crime Bill being referenced had the enthusiastic support of more than two-thirds of the Black Congressional Congress and that its legacy/result is a good bit more complicated than “White man wanted to lock up Black people because racism”? Or am I just deluded and compromised because I was alive at the time and I remember who was promoting the bill and how it was initially received?

Is it churlish to point out that the Crime Bill being referenced had the enthusiastic support of more than two-thirds of the Black Congressional Congress and that its legacy/result is a good bit more complicated than “White man wanted to lock up Black people because racism”? Or am I just deluded and compromised because I was alive at the time and I remember who was promoting the bill and how it was initially received?

White internet radicals always know best, DJP. Haven't you figured that out yet?

^^ it frustrates me that these points aren't made more often.

isn't this back to racist "intention" vs. results?

this legislation doesn't have a racist bone in its body!