Democratic (Party) Direction

Sorry, not a fan of openly encouraging war crimes.

She'd encourage war crimes at OMB?

You asked "is there something nefarious about Tanden I should know about?"

I didn't realize nefarious ends when you've arbitrarily decided that their job is insulated from those things.

"Well, Jimmy wants to close the borders completely but how's that gonna matter as Secretary of the Navy?"

this isn't doomcrying, it is simply pointing out that the idea that the election of joe fucking biden is the high point of progressivism in the history of the USA -- that "they've never been so close" to power, as the original post I was responding to said -- is ridiculous

the idea that the election of joe fucking biden is the high point of progressivism in the history of the USA -- that "they've never been so close" to power, as the original post I was responding to said -- is ridiculous

Agreed. But I disagree with ILX-in-general that a Biden presidency means a return to, let's say, the policies and worldview of Clinton's first term. And I do think that Biden is listening to people who are genuinely progressive, and will weigh the merits of their ideas and not simply reject them out of hand.

It’s one email that was a bit open ended iirc.

Bernie’s probably going to vote “yes” as most of the serious labor people seem to think it’s a good pick.

She’s good for that job, she knows domestic policy, she wants to spend money. Not sure Rs will confirm her though if they control the senate.

— Richard Yeselson (@yeselson) November 29, 2020

"Well, Jimmy wants to close the borders completely but how's that gonna matter as Secretary of the Navy?"

― onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z),

No. Wrong. I's closer to "Waaal, but Joseph supported the Iraq War, but how's that gonna matter as FEMA chief?" Not all sins, even mortal ones, are the same.

It's quite impossible to think of a liberal-Democratic pool untainted by geopolitics that can run a fiefdom like a Cabinet-level departmen.

Congratulations to my friend, @neeratanden on her nomination as OMB Director! I worked for OMB in grad school, evaluating grantees of the Telecommunications & Information Infrastructure Assistance Program (TIIAP). Very proud of her & sad for @amprog. But mostly very proud of her.

— Stacey Abrams (@staceyabrams) November 29, 2020

No. Wrong. I's closer to "Waaal, but Joseph supported the Iraq War, but how's that gonna matter as FEMA chief?" Not all sins, even mortal ones, are the same.

You asked what was nefarious about her. You don't think "war booty" is nefarious, cool - but "well, it won't matter in this job" doesn't erase bad behavior.

honestly my only memory of neera tanden was her calling the manager on matt bruenig

A pox on both their houses

You asked what was nefarious about her. You don't think "war booty" is nefarious, cool - but "well, it won't matter in this job" doesn't erase bad behavior.

― onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z),

Then you don't believe in staffing Cabinet or sub-Cabinet positions.

"Every Democratic operative is complicit in the abhorrent policy of the last 1-30 years" isn't a stunning defense of the incoming Administration, IMO.

The Bruenig thing didn’t happen. He lost his side gig because they asked him stop trolling and he refused.

I understand we have draw-the-line positions. Mine was when Obama nominated Kerry as secretary of state. But I think about (a) what the position is (b) assuming they're evil, how well does the Cabinet or sub-Cabinet position absorb or mitigate that evil?

The Bruenig thing didn’t happen. He lost his side gig because they asked him stop trolling and he refused.

I don't think that happens without NT throwing her weight around, but whatever, he's doing fine.

tanden was insufferable whenever she got retweeted to my tl. i'm doing my best to mute all these choads and avoid these threads from here on out.

Matt Bruenig bears the distinction of being the only guy I’m aware of whose wife acts as her own wife guy

democrats absolutely despise bernie sanders pt 128953

the bruenigs suck afaict

But I think about (a) what the position is (b) assuming they're evil, how well does the Cabinet or sub-Cabinet position absorb or mitigate that evil?

At this point, it's not about individuals - it's that Biden is so transparently open to the dregs of the Clinton and Obama years. He's waving a neon green arrow about the direction he's heading.

David Sirota did a little "please sir be better" dance in a blog post yesterday, but he's ultimately correct that you can staff without welcoming everyone who's been useless, venal or outright evil over the last 30 years. He's just wrong to have expected better of Biden.

Tradcath liberals have a burden of proof to meet wrt abortion and gays if they want to hang

how i feel about it

same

Liz failed that test on abortion already IIRC

neera tanden seems like an immature and petty person but good for her

I can't take Sirota seriously after pushing on Twitter as Warren and Sanders as Cabinet nominees given the political realities of their states. Will Charlie Baker be forced to appoint a Democratic replacement for her?

Sirota’s just like other liberal and progressive pundits trying to glean some hope and positivity after telling people that it was important to vote for Joe Biden to advance the ‘progressive agenda.’

You’re pathetic.

Why? Because I don’t think Joe Biden advances progressive causes.

I voted for him as a true lesser evil. No reason to delude myself that the previous 50 years of his life, he lived a lie.

More like keep NOPE alive amirite???

I voted for him as a true lesser evil.

True. That's how I regard Cabinet and sub-Cabinet positions too.

So far his economic cabinet looks to be more progressive than Obama's.

We all realize that these picks are probably not going to be confirmed, right?

that didn't seem to matter the last four years

We will see who gets confirmed but so far, the notion that Biden's intentions are to re-inforce austerity measures don't square with his nominations.

A pox on both their houses

but to a large extent we all live in their houses

you live in Matt Bruenig's house?

I bet it's a nice house, plenty of natural light.

Can I just say I made a rare visit the "have you quit the labour party yet?" and by contrast to the treatment Keir Starmer gets over there I now feel that milo & table are quite mild in his criticism of Diamond Joe and indeed by British standards are Democratic Party team players

*their criticism

The fact that Tanden has picked fights with leftists on Twitter has turned her into a cartoon villain within the Chapo Trap House Cinematic Universe, which perhaps overshadows whatever actual faults she might bring to the role of OMB director. Given her online presence, I get why leftists might see the nomination as a slap in the face. However, it's been interesting to see those reactions juxtaposed with praise from people who are committed to progressive economic policy but are less tuned into the flame wars.

I honestly didn’t know Neera Tanden did anything, I thought she just posted

For instance:

Biden appointing Cecilia Rouse to head CEA, along w Jared Bernstein @econjared, and Heather Boushey. Neera Tanden @neeratanden to OMB.

Excellent. All committed to full employment, boosting wages, reducing inequality.

W Janet Yellen at Treasury, most diverse economic team ever.

— Robert Reich (@RBReich) November 29, 2020

Considering even Warren is a Chapo Trap House villain, it doesn't mean much.

We’re getting to the “AOC said this nice thing about Joe Biden!!!” stage now.

Yes, people who have to or hope to work with the Biden Administration are complimentary. Otherwise good people praised tapping Cedric Richmond. He sucks.

None of us have public careers in Washington or tied to liberal think tanks. There’s no reason to LARP as a hardened realist political operative and moderate one’s distaste for war crimes or taking money from the UAE or championing welfare reform or support for the Iraq War or etc. etc. etc..

No one’s going to hire any of you to replace Neera at CAP.

So the only plausible reason one might be complimentary of Tanden is self-interest?

"Every Democratic operative is complicit in the abhorrent policy of the last 1-30 years" isn't a stunning defense of the incoming Administration, IMO.

― onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Sunday, November 29, 2020 3:50 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean, at least now I know that if I commit war crimes, you'll welcome be back into the fold because I'm good at euchre