have you quit the labour party yet?

Now it's quite clear Starmer is pro-austerity

I'm not clear what he is pro- or anti- on any given day.

He just comes across as pro focus grouped to bend in the wind in such a way that 45% of people who are 60% likely to vote won't find it objectionable or something.

have you not heard his shadow chancellor? who is not one for bold pronouncements - unless it is basically agreeing with the old tory 2010 - attack line that Labour used to spend too much. And do seriously think he's not pro-austerity? I mean you might have to wait for a few weeks before the next election before the cunt actually puts any concrete policy statements, but I'd put my life savings on the cunt being pro-austerity!

From his social media in recent days, I am pretty sure he is resolutely pro pay rises for armed cops!

yeah he didn't think the 2.5% rise the tories gave them last year was enough

all the messaging is basically what you got from Miliband Labour but now with extra armed-cop loving zeal!

I mean it doesn't really how popular anti-austerity policies are, Starmer get's an easier ride from the establishment than Corbz because it's implicit he's not going to support them kind of policies

popular

lol I meant doesn't really matter

he's already denounced/run over with a fucking lawnmower all his ten pledges including the wealth tax one which pretty much says he's quite happy with the status quo.

I mean that he's not genuinely anything. That he's making cut up the credit card noises this week is meaningless.
As soon as there's an analyst telling him there's a percentage point in unshackling the economy with investment in infrastructure growth or whatever he'll be dipping John McDonnell's pockets for policies then abandoning them again ten minutes later.

he is genuinely a tory tbf!

by every metric of measuring "what is a tory" this cunt scores at least 90%

Aye well I think most of the Labour party in recent decades is more Tory than not. Jezza era something of a blip tbh.

yeah sadly I don't think anything like Corbynism will ever happen again in our lifetimes, it was always doomed but I was a believer, now I'm just burnt out!

kieth is socially conservative, fiscally conservative. Even US president elect gropy Joe is outflanking him on trans rights!

Corbynism was a blip in the entire party history tbh, even before new labour the left was generally marginal

Starmer et al seem to think not offending the r/w press is either more important than public approval or that it’s literally the same thing

arguably Atlee was the Starmzy of his era, you're not wrong

you read UKANIA PERPETUA yet Left? That helped me deal with mental baggage I'd accumulated supporting this garbage party!

I haven’t but I’m going to read it now

people my age don’t remember labour before blair but from what we heard growing up you’d think the party was basically communist before he came along and saved/ruined it

it isn't helped by dickheads like Ken Loach putting out stupid hagiographic docs that unquestioningly glorify 1945 Labour without any proper historical context.

i used to make the argument even during the Blair years that Old Labour wasn't exactly the Fourth Internationale

Not remotely surprising - and worth noting that in London, the renters I knew were overwhelmingly pro-Corbyn and the homeowners the most vehemently opposed (although that was never their stated reason) https://t.co/6P1t8uVpjX

— Juliet. (@zinovievletter) November 26, 2020

the most vehemently opposed people to Corbyn seem to be very quiet now there is a Tory leading the Labour Party

Hard to think of a more unprincipled senior figure in British public life right now https://t.co/YkVOUWppPQ

— Stephen Smith (@SteveNickSmith) November 28, 2020

that's one way of putting it

My statement following tonight’s Nottingham East CLP meeting. pic.twitter.com/OzuoKa4XRM

— Nadia Whittome MP (@NadiaWhittomeMP) November 27, 2020

I wasn't expecting this from Nadia, but there you go.

"a motion that was clearly out of order"

Yeah, not sure what she's up to here.

Today's joker:

For the sake of any younger folks on here, I'd just like to assure you Keir Starmer is well to the left of where Tony Blair ever was

— James Harris (@JamesHarrisNow) November 27, 2020

lol most of the New Labour poverty ameliorating policies have already been denounced by his Shadow Chancellor as "spending too much"

I think Nadia has been supportive of Jammy Crumjirn but also keen to maintain party unity, I might disagree on this but she's still sound imo

you have to choose sides in a factional war and there is no such thing as party unity and never has been imo. But I still like her as a person.

more often than not "unity" is just a cudgel used to bludgeon elements of the losing side over the head with!

well yeah, but she's a good'un

I hope so as well. Her instincts have mostly been good so far.

Last year ⁦@Keir_Starmer⁩ was criticising the Tories for removing the whip from senior Tory MPs. Strangely he seems to have forgotten what he said then. #IStandWithJeremyCorbyn pic.twitter.com/rJiqTPvJcu

— Diane Abbott MP (@HackneyAbbott) November 28, 2020

unprincipled oxygen thief shown up as a shite-talking hypocrite shocker.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En8K_3VXYAIwxZP?format=jpg&name=large

'I am normal'

say what like about jez, but he sure knew how get the most out of a photo op.

calz have you considered not posting about this guy for a week

have you ever considered not tone-policing other posters like some fucking pub landlady for a day or two? Nobody is perfect and to be quite frank I will post about what the fuck I feel like thank you very much.

Oh yeah of course it was quite remiss of me to post about Stramer on the "have you quit the labour party yet?" thread

sorry about grumpiness, but FFS!

lol @ you using “pub landlady” as a pejorative, do point me to any other examples? Cos I actually like you calz and this guy is all you post about atm.

Haaaaaaa that photo is in front of the pensioner huts around the corner from Leather Lane.

No it isn't. I have also posted about Burnley fc, Ingrid Laubrock and Diego M's corpse today. And that isn't including stuff I've posted about weather and drunken kitchen fires with an old friend on twitter. Maybe just mind own business rather than trying to lecture other people on how they should post, because that is just arrogant behaviour, gyac.

lol, k

calzino, please keep tearing into the cant. Reassures me that my present, perpetual anger at the state of things is warranted

At #JLM2020, Joan Ryan called for "examination" by Starmer & frontbench of roots of antisemitism in Labour. Mike Gapes said Starmer had "been doing a good job so far – much better than I expected" & he "can't back down". Neither confirmed applying to join Labour again.

— Sienna Rodgers (@siennamarla) November 29, 2020

critical support for Keith from Gapesy and Joan "look into your hands" Ryan.

Return to the Planet of the Gapes

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmkcseTXMAE_LlK?format=jpg&name=large

bloody disgrace that he's dressed up for a star wars comic con when visiting a war memorial!

https://www.guardian-series.co.uk/resources/images/6432960.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=responsive-gallery

this would be a great image to photoshop into a christmas card - the three wise melts.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En_Z0q_WMAQUc1h?format=jpg&name=small
omg imagine if Corbz was snapped hogging a priority seat on the tube (despite being old enough to need one), but at least this fucker leaving his SUV in the drive at his townhouse will make the roads much safer.

Haha was just about to link this tweet

I’m no Corbyn fan, but afaict:

Corbyn: always stands on public transport, or sits quietly on the floor
Starmer: barges through the doors and heads straight for the priority seat and then watches Avatar on full volume pic.twitter.com/ITOpc7WDTh

— ian ‘eugene cobwebs’ mighty (@iammightor) November 29, 2020