ForenSix Opposition - Politics in the Soon To Be Former UK in Autumn 2020

I heard Nandy earlier complaining that Boris needs to cut the armed forces budget to build more drones rather than the cutting the foreign aid budget. Of course we need continue giving aid to poor countries and project more soft power before we start bombing them or supplying the weapons to bomb them to other rogue regimes. Labour are a fucking mess.

omg I've never felt so much goodwill towards lawyers as I do towards Jez's rn. Take 'em to the fucking cleaners lads.

tbh getting your lawyers to ask for clarification on a procedural point is a long way from taking them to court but good luck to him.

A misleading and unhelpful intervention from @AnnelieseDodds. ⁰⁰The panel was chosen by Party officials who report to the General Secretary and the panel was staffed primarily by supporters of Starmer. If it was politicised it could only have been done by Starmer or his allies https://t.co/UJF3KL7Vev

— Momentum 🌹 (@PeoplesMomentum) November 19, 2020

Momentum tell Dudds to reel her neck in and stop misrepresenting a situation she seems to know nothing about.

Corbyn’s suspension is apparently for three months, per Sienna Rodgers. Seems bizarre to indicate that he should have been expelled permanently from the party if that’s the case.

I’d guess some are hoping the other investigation into the former shadow cabinet gets heard under the new board and expels him then but there is a strong ‘making it up as they go along’ vibe.

They're obviously writing off Islington North for the foreseeable future because as long as Corbyn's still standing they haven't a hope in hell of winning it. Scotland's gone, the North and Midlands is gone, let's lose London next. Great stuff.

I'm really looking forward to finally being one of these aprocyphal "voices on the doorstep" that tell campaigners: I can't possibly vote for Labour with Joromy Crumblyn that tory cunt who has follow-throughs in his troosers leading them.

Well well look at what we have here

This latest YouGov poll reported in @NationCymru has independence on 33%. The fourth poll in a row to show support for #IndyWales on 32-33%. Support is solidifying. Here's the historical trend in a graph (which anyone's welcome to pinch).https://t.co/ApEEABacxu pic.twitter.com/kGVIXCmlKC

— Math 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Wiliam (@MathGW) November 19, 2020

Lab to lose Wales next!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnQFTo6XIAAf4IK?format=jpg&name=large

dexy's then the pogues. good couple of days for 80's music biz veterans twitter accounts... less said about boab the better!

a pro-Corbyn "gang of three" Labour councillors have quit in Hudds which has torpedoed their wafer thin majority! I didn't realise there actually were councillors with a backbone .. amazing!

That guy Lee is the former head of editorial at Faber responsible for all the music books. A writer on his list invited me to a launch party for their new book and I watched Lee spend the entire night not speaking to any of the female critics and editors there. Just to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating a vibe, I checked with my friend J, who grew up with Dave Peace (also published by Lee at the time). J is a fashion gay and he actually stopped going to Dave’s launches because Lee was such a laddish twat he couldn’t unsee the effortless sexism (and had to wonder if dude was quietly homophobic too).

People who vehemently despise Corbyn rather than just indifferent or not particularly a fan usually are wrong 'uns.

https://www.faber.co.uk/blog/an-open-letter-to-morrissey/

just listened to what KS had to say about his Orange Juice pick on DID. nothing. reminds him of university and he still plays it from time to time.

boss level crashing bore alert!

Just a typical DID guest, some middle aged bore who has never had the slightest interest in music beyond a few years in his late teens/early 20s when he had to fit in with the crowd at uni before settling down to his boring life.

To give him the tiniest sliver of credit, he’s a classically trained ex-Guildhall student and Norman Cook said he was schmindie at school. But his answers were super-boring and there was no follow-up by Lauren.

are there any more Labour councils Starmer has managed to bring down with his treatment of Corbyn, apart from Kirklees? I'm still quite stunned this has actually happened lol!

Just a typical DID guest, some middle aged bore who has never had the slightest interest in music beyond a few years in his late teens/early 20s when he had to fit in with the crowd at uni before settling down to his boring life.

― Boring blighters bloaters (Tom D.), Friday, 20 November 2020 09:58 (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

seen!

book me please! i've never heard anything released after my 22nd birthday!

JC @ that FF 'blog'

get some fucking Duke Ellington darn ya neck kid!

"And we also like to think we are the custodians of twentieth-century Modernist poetry. In fact we are. Our shelves groan and bulge and spill over under the weight of Ezra, Larkin, Hughes and Heaney."

This is semi-literate - from a senior figure at Faber.

No reason given why Pound is given his first name and the others aren't.

Larkin (certainly) and Hughes (to a degree) are generally seen as a *subsequent reaction against* modernist poetry. You can tweak and finesse that, sure, but you have to start from the fact that Larkin at least said that was opposed to modernism. Something that a ... senior editor at Faber doesn't seem to know.

It would have made slightly more sense if he'd noted that Faber published Djuna Barnes (prose, not poetry) and Sylvia Plath.

I like Pinefox in ILB attack dog mode, finish the fucker off!

i too have bad thoughts abt lee br4ckstone, including being very underpaid for a significant editorial consultancy project fopr one of his authors and also having a very good idea for a music book (by me hence why any idea turns into a good one, come on) turned down extremely brusquely and unimaginitively

also i too have encountered him at a book launch and he was just offensively drunk so fvck him forever

(now reimagine this post less laced with poisonous personal london lit-scene hatreds, can you even, where is user ogmor to school me)

lol that open letter. notice me, racist senpai.

Ugh, that does not surprise me. LB and I have tons of mutuals but the type of people he gravitates towards socially are some of the biggest can-holders in music and publishing.

why would you not quietly take that blog down when your eugenicist hero signed with Penguin

I forgot that he didn't publish the book with Faber after all !!

xp Penguin Classics
(I read it and gave up halfway through)

About the right place to pack it in TBF, the first 150 pages are objectively good about Irish postwar Manchester.

A charity shop ever present- shitloads of people bought it or were bought it, extremely high percentage got rid quickly lol

Not read it myself, but Johnny Rogan's Smiths book is also at its best in the chapters before the band forms. Postwar/seventies Manchester vividly realised, even the character of Morrissey has a bathetic Adrian Mole-ish appeal when he's just a nobody dreaming of being somebody. Then he starts a band with Johnny Marr and everything is ruined.

Not read the autobiography, that is

Lots of rock biogs fall off the cliff and soon as the band becomes something. I like the ones that stop at that point.

*as soon as*

I bought the book when it first came out, read half of it over a couple of days, then the next day gave it to a charity shop. The guy behind the counter asked me what it was like and I told him it was fine when Moz was talking about his childhood and growing up but it turned into a whine-fest once he reached The Smiths. Looking back, charity shop guy acted like it wasn't even the first copy that had been donated and he was collating opinions.

TIL that Marie from Kenickie's partner is Simon Fletcher, Corbyn's former aide who worked on the Starmer leadership campaign.

xxxp well then you're in luck, as the guy from Faber has one: biography of Roxy Music which ends just as the band are getting together
(I generally agree with your point but Roxy Music seem like they'd be the exception)

I admit, I did read all of the Moz autob.

I'll be generous in that it seems like the last visible sighting of the old Morrissey.

Anyway, where are we?

Sir Alex "dave" Allen has resigned over the non-sacking of Priti Patel

Is The Kenuckie connection with Starmer and Corbyn a long 90s thing or just more about the same annoying brat types dominating the Labour Party as they did 90s indie and as they do lefty social media now!

The Roxy biography mentioned is by Michael Bracewell.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2007/oct/27/biography.music

Lauren’s mum was (maybe still is) a Labour councillor in Sunderland. Also, most of those Melody Maker groups and writers lived in Holloway/Archway/Tufnell Park before either going to Brighton or Crouch End/Muswell Hill, depending on whether or not they made money.

Pete AKA Johnny X in Kenix, Lauren's brother, is one of the most entertaining people on twitter and I always get the impression when he posts political stuff (which is very often) that he would fit perfectly on this thread. Maybe he's even here already?

https://twitter.com/pgofton

He’s not, but I’ve mentioned him as a good’un before.

Dexys know what's happening.

This one? pic.twitter.com/ueenRxiWee

— Dawn Foster (@DawnHFoster) November 20, 2020