But Will There Be Corgis? Thread Where We Discuss Netflix's THE CROWN

i mean tbf not sure how you could do it any other way, that element was always already way too much, we knew that instantly

herself living to be 10,000 yrs old tho, this was not known 40 yrs ago

I mean, sure, but it seems a little ott so far. I much preferred the scenes with her reckoning with the sudden change in her life. Love the scene of her roller skating and the shot of her slouched in the chair, dejectedly watching the kids show.

that mere kids show is the iconic Bagpuss!

charles being played as a wizened pervy beast thinking only of himself (accurate)

Lol one of the undeniable accuries played out in this show

margo: "charles. loves. someone. else. how many times can this family make the same mistake?"

luv too be right abt this dumm (grebt) show have invested so much anaylitical bravura in

she's lit to look like the bride of frankenstein as she says it

meanwhile the queen mum is barking like a gauleiter

so now that I've finished Season Two, I did a frantic ctrl-f in this thread to find "Matthew Goode hawt" and, well, imagine my disappointment.

The meet-cute in the museum b/w Anthony and Margaret is the best written and acted I've seen so far. Goode barely moves or opens his mouth (except to exhale cig smoke) and is riveting.

Too bad he's not in Season Three.

lol MT decribing her children: "twins, mark and carol, 28 years old -- and my favourite, mark, a very special child, the kind of son any mother would dream of having" etc

it goes into total on-the-nose we-don't-do-subtext-mate frenzy every time thatch is on-screen

omg I loved Goode as young Lord Snowdon, he’s SO good. Grown Lord Snowdon played by Ben Daniels in s3 isnt half bad either! i think you will be pleased

(xpost to Alfred)

the older Snowden by Daniels is probably closer to what he really was like i.e. not very enigmatic nor artistic, just a grumpy old posh twat with a camera and a negligible quota of talent!

idk i thought his photography skills were widely acknowledged? or are we just casting gimlet eyes at everyone regardless

thatch scene where she winds herself up like davros to full dalek scream

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No, I just think he was a shite photographer. And I do have a btec first award in art + design, so I'm no bloody mug for a overpromoted posh twat!

"is doing nothing your solution to everything?"

that was precisely how she explained what their duties and raison d'etre was to Dickie when he was getting embroiled in the Coup against Wilson. as in it is our job to do nothing.

Obviously I get why they aren't including Prince Andrew, but I think it's funny that you would be led to believe they only have two kids if you only knew of them from this show.

him and Edward are in a few eps in this season

Ah, okay, guess I should have waited til we got further along.

honestly it feels accurate to my impression of them in general lmao

ie never really being there

slight feeling watching s4 that it was written -- or anyway its main beats and battles were sketched out -- before s1-3 were designed to lead up to it

which maybe why when they arrive they feel a bit pre-chewed

xxxp

You obv haven't seen cold bottle of piss served as Sauvignon Blanc ep yet!

koo stark klaxon!

TIL that koo stark's scenes were cut from star wars before release, too steamy i expect

andrew recounting to mummy the plots of her films that weren't thus bowdlerised

can't believe that the grim march of time has caused the shadow of DRAMATIC IRONY to fall over even the work of koo stark, what a sad world we live in

sorry to bring my *unavowed* class hatred to the thread VG, but it's the best series on netflix right now - I will admit!

Koo Stark's greatest cinematic role as the eponymous Justine in the sexploitation version of the Marquis de Sade, er, bodice ripper turns up on the London Live channel every now and again - after midnight, of course

Koo Stark's dad, Wilbur Stark, produced the Hammer film Vampire Circus and was an executive producer on John Carpenter's The Thing!

watching the carol thatcher scenes i'm reminded of a story swellsy once told me -- that he encountered CT on some radio four "funny" show (she was a presenter, he maybe weote for it) and told her very clearly what everyone thought of her mum, and claimed to me to be astonished that she was upset at his forthrightness lol

calz also reminding me of swells in this regard :D

lol calzino all good! class hatred keeps us honest

lol it has been v amusing itt to see avowed royal haters revealing their deep knowledge of the enemy <3 (myself included)

in the version of the swells story i remembered, this all happened on the occasion of MT's death, but i just checked and MT survived swellsy by four years, which seems a bit of an injustice

pls explain wtf you are talking abt, i am so lost

seething swells = NME 80's/90's writer from Bradford/Swindon who was a formative influence on lots of us ilxers of a certain age

he was extremely left wing and voluble about it

lots of UK ilxers I should have said!

his spirit is very much in the Fagan episode (ep5 I think?)and also the spirit of Yosser Hughes gobbing off at job centre staff as the only means of retaining some vestige of dignity.

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well probs a bit of a stretch, but I am rather fresh rn!

got it! thx

queen: "i thought we didn't listen to chatter?"
margaret: "i listen to nothing else!"

I didn't know about the Fagan incident(s) at all. Apparently pretty much everything depicted is true right up until he has an actual conversation with Lizo?

does she say " i know you and you cannot sing"?

i remember the story at the time being that they had a conversation!

that doesn't mean they did but it was definitely recounted that way

i suspect he may not have said "yr palace is shabby and yr paint is peeling, you should hire me as your decorator" -- which is the kind of good thing to say no one thinks to say to two days afterwards

they shd have hired him imo

he showed great initiative

drama-wise, i thought focusing in on him was a good way to show the social impact of Thatcher, down to her barking over the radio at every waking moment etc

i read elsewhere that Fagan irl was just up for a bit of a lark rather than desperate to talk to her (& he also said he had done a ton of mushrooms that took him 2 years to come down from) ... or something to that effect. cant find link tho :(

oh and that line he says to his council member - “I’m not mentally ill. I’m just poor” was v good

also was that the ep where you see the mouse dart across the floor in one of the rooms? lol