GET OUT: US politics November 2020

a tale as old as time

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Biden wants his Justice Department to function independently from the White House, aides said, and Biden isn't going to tell federal law enforcement officials whom or what to investigate or not to investigate.

"His overarching view is that we need to move the country forward," an adviser said. "But the most important thing on this is that he will not interfere with his Justice Department and not politicize his Justice Department."

A third Biden adviser said that when it comes to any Trump-related investigations, the expectation is "it's going to be very situational" and "depending on the merits." Broadly, Biden's priorities will be the economy, the coronavirus, climate change and race relations, not looking back at the Trump administration, an adviser said.

Not saying Trump should get off scot free, but Biden's got a lot of shit on his plate for the first two years of his presidency. He's likely going to focus (as the article states) on coronavirus, getting the economy up and running again, etc. Makes total sense to me. Let the Justice Department sort it out.

if they're already saying this now don't be surprised if it's bupkis down the line xp

Apols if already posted

1/ It turns out that Donald Trump was right: the election was rigged. He would know, of course, because he and Lewis DeJoy were the ones who rigged it.

— Thom Hartmann (@Thom_Hartmann) November 16, 2020

if Biden attacks Trump personally and tells Justice to go after him it's going to be way way worse for the country

Certainly at this point talk of prosecuting Trump is akin to talk of him pardoning himself: for what, exactly? Also, keeps Trump in the news for the possibly brief time Biden will maybe have even a little power. I think there is plenty of Trump stuff in the state pipes, and having a new AG and a fresh DOJ in general will help ensure those gears keep turning.

eh…

I think the NY AG is going to hand that whole family their ass

And that's the way it should be done. This is all speculation, anyway. We don't even know Biden's AG.

God, listening to This American Life this morning, specifically the section where they are interviewing people about the alleged "voter fraud" and I just, good lord, there is no hope of these people ever embracing reality. No matter how much evidence is presented, they just continue doubling down and expanding the definition of who must be lying. It's exhausting.

Points to sign

Give people a choice between a mountain of reality-based evidence, and a whispered hint of a conspiracy that validates their beliefs, prejudices, and victim complexes, and how many will refuse the evidence and embrace the conspiracy? It used to seem like the conspiracy theorists were the fringe 10% at most, but now it’s closer to half the country. Trump has functioned as the GOP’s perfect accelerationist in many ways.

Careful, clearly table doesn't think we are allowed to talk about this, as demonstrated in the usual completely snide and dismissive way that makes this thread end up being so fucking unbearable sometimes.

Lol, I wasn't being snide or dismissive, just saying pointing to the sign that reads 'racist honky death cult.'

That's the sign that I point at in these threads. No other sign.

Nice projection of your frustrations onto me tho.

It's not projection when you actually are being snide and dismissive. Explaining it away as a private joke inside your own head doesn't make it any better.

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everywhere a sign

“I’m working on what I want to say about this topic,” said Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.). “I think I want to wait ... until I get my thoughts cleared on a piece of paper and in my brain.”

― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:37 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Get a brain, Moran

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I've talked about and used this term numerous times in this thread. I've referred to it as the sign I want to hold up when we get into these conversations, not to dunk on you or anyone else, but just to agree while reinforcing the idea that a large swath of the population is part of this cult. There were no hard feelings or snideness intended on my side.

Tbh I'm a little taken aback that it was read that way! I was agreeing!

Everyone's nerves are frayed.

I think you should totally get an actual neon sign tho, Table. And pls share photos when you do.

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The way I read "read the sign" was to read the thread title, which is "GET OUT". That is why it felt really snide and dismissive. This thread has seen a ton of action this month, so it's hard to keep up with every individual poster's inside jokes.

I get it, Jon, and sorry I was a bit prickly in my initial response.

TBF every time someone mentions that evidence won't change their minds and that they just double down / dig their heels in, it triggers my own "points to sign" gut response because it's literally their only consistency. The more anyone pushes the more passionately they refuse to budge.

As if they have embroidered pillows that say "Keep Calm And Double Down".

I vaguely gathered it was a Simpsons reference but couldn't quite see how it relates here

we can image shit-post in here, take advantage!

caek and Alfred were tapping their own signs in the approach to the election itself, it's surely a politics thread thing by this point.

Anyone reckon there's any chance yesterday's revelations will see Lindsey impeached or anything?

Yes, the fact that there are multiple different signs being tapped makes it a bit confusing.

I tend to read as a signal that a post is taking the thread in a discouraged direction.

God, listening to This American Life this morning, specifically the section where they are interviewing people about the alleged "voter fraud" and I just, good lord, there is no hope of these people ever embracing reality. No matter how much evidence is presented, they just continue doubling down and expanding the definition of who must be lying. It's exhausting.

Sorry Jon not hanging up on you.

Ganging

I read this thread pretty often and somehow missed that we’re all making signs that we can tap to

My sign is that it’s ok for people to be sad and disappointed in public, given the circumstances of...wait, do we have a sign I can tap that refers to *gestures wildly at the world*?

Keyboard letters are signs, in some ways. They seem to represent something fundamental to the human experience, like language

To clarify for myself I was commenting on the sentiment. I haven't literally used the phrase.

Ferdinand de Saussure to thread

I had some vague notion as I was drifting off last night that Trump and his death cult represent the pure + unrefined endpoint of capitalism, just basically a horde of locusts picking the carcass clean without the hindrance of any recognizably human qualities. Parasites going balls out in an effort to completely burn put the host upon which they depend. The death drive made manifest.

btw my sign is a picture of a sign, and beneath it is a caption that says "Yeah, I'd tap that."

this little incident and Moodles's comment make me think we should probably abandon "taps sign" type comments --- it's way too hard to remember what "the sign" is for each individual poster, not to mention considering Ace of Base and the Five Man Electrical Band. these threads become clusterfucks of misread meanings and deciphering the intentions behind even posts that are intentionally full of cryptic sarcasm and ambiguous referents, let's not add to it when we're actually just trying to use shorthand and lighten the mood.

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Strokes tombstone

Ferdinand de Saussure to thread

Charles Sanders Peirce works better in this context because we're having some issues with interpretants

Who listens to This American Life in the year of our lord 2020 that is some 00s flashback.

Fair question imo. Idk, my wife has really gotten into NPR during the pandemic and she plays some of the podcasts while doing stuff around the house, so I'm hearing it.

When some NPR dweeb, maybe Inskeep, referred to "the disputed election results" early last week I almost swerved off the road.

Ha, Alfred, I believe I posted that exact thing last week, fortunately I wasn't driving at the time. That comment infuriated me.

NPR is a litmus test that tells you the state of the world based on how much heartburn it gives you to listen to it

This American Life is not an NPR show

can't listen to five seconds of npr tbr

npr voice makes me want to throw over tables