have you quit the labour party yet?

"do you now or have you ever subscribed to the wire" screamed senator mccarthy

senator stereolab as he later became

"The Difference Between Me and You Is That I'm Not on Trial" screamed senator mclusky

I realize that's because most of their guests never listen to music and have no interest in it, instead they prefer listening to their own voices and have a deep abiding interest in themselves.

david suchet choosing the theme from poirot was the ne plus ultra of this.

come on, that's a banger

'True' football fandom reeks of Hoffman Forum snobbery imho (says this Arsenal fan)

unless you've done a tour of duty of all the basement football grounds and witnessed your team getting arseholed by Macclesfield on a pissy rain drenched Tuesday night, then you just aren't a real Psychic TV fan.

fond memories of Wolves getting knocked out of the FA cup first round by Sol Invictus in 1986

Baddiel, Skinner & The Lightning Seeds
Three Lions
Three Lions '98.

not only does he pick this but he picks the worst version of it!

Whenever a politician appears on Desert Island Discs, sceptics wonder whether the chosen tracks have been approved or even curated by special advisers, or run past a focus group. Keir Starmer insists that his eight discs are definitely his own personal selection: “if you run into anyone who has known me for a long time, they will tell you this is the genuine Keir Starmer list.”

he has been into that Grenfell record for a long time has he?

I wonder if there are any more Stormzy songs that might be more relevant to him.

Some say his decision to include a second referendum with Remain on the ballot in the Labour manifesto cost the party the 2019 election. “Of course I acknowledge this came up on the doorstep in different ways across the country,” he says. “In the North West, North East and parts of the Midlands it came up in a negative way, I’ve got to accept that and that’s a fair challenge. Obviously it was differently received in places like Scotland. "

good to hear his disastrously fatal PV 2nd Ref position was so well received in Scotland where they have one s(h)itting Labour MP.

aye but it might have been zero without that principled stance on brexit that we all loved so much on this side of the border

you're never gonna shift Murray without some kind of block and tackle arrangement

One of the weird things you see on twitter is the goings on at YL. Very weird how the leadership are bothering them at all.

Young members put their faith in me as Chair of Young Labour to represent them. As a democratic socialist I stand with young members and their right to engage with the Labour party’s long standing democratic traditions. Now, more than ever, young people's voices need to be heard. pic.twitter.com/LL1aHSHT2g

— Jess Barnard (@JessicaLBarnard) November 23, 2020

Members with household incomes under £20k: 83% agreed with 2019 manifesto, 62% thought it was wrong to not restore whip to Corbyn, 55% think the party is headed in wrong direction.

The factional divide within the Labour Party is also a class divide. https://t.co/MuhQbRtxWZ

— Callum Cant (@CallumCant1) November 26, 2020

It would be, we can't let the idea that the working classes are anything other than knuckle dragging racist morons who are dying to vote Tory gain any leeway.

one person on my twitter was constantly ranting that people's vote was class war and out to destroy corbynism last year, seems sort of prescient now even though I was blithely thinking "chill mate" at the time! Now it's quite clear Starmer is pro-austerity then there is zero harm reduction/self-interest in voting for the cunt, particularly for the sizable section of precariat members (which probably includes lots of middle-class people as well tbf) that joined Labour to support Corbynism, might as well just kill him instead!

Now it's quite clear Starmer is pro-austerity

I'm not clear what he is pro- or anti- on any given day.

He just comes across as pro focus grouped to bend in the wind in such a way that 45% of people who are 60% likely to vote won't find it objectionable or something.

have you not heard his shadow chancellor? who is not one for bold pronouncements - unless it is basically agreeing with the old tory 2010 - attack line that Labour used to spend too much. And do seriously think he's not pro-austerity? I mean you might have to wait for a few weeks before the next election before the cunt actually puts any concrete policy statements, but I'd put my life savings on the cunt being pro-austerity!

From his social media in recent days, I am pretty sure he is resolutely pro pay rises for armed cops!

yeah he didn't think the 2.5% rise the tories gave them last year was enough

all the messaging is basically what you got from Miliband Labour but now with extra armed-cop loving zeal!

I mean it doesn't really how popular anti-austerity policies are, Starmer get's an easier ride from the establishment than Corbz because it's implicit he's not going to support them kind of policies

popular

lol I meant doesn't really matter

he's already denounced/run over with a fucking lawnmower all his ten pledges including the wealth tax one which pretty much says he's quite happy with the status quo.

I mean that he's not genuinely anything. That he's making cut up the credit card noises this week is meaningless.
As soon as there's an analyst telling him there's a percentage point in unshackling the economy with investment in infrastructure growth or whatever he'll be dipping John McDonnell's pockets for policies then abandoning them again ten minutes later.

he is genuinely a tory tbf!

by every metric of measuring "what is a tory" this cunt scores at least 90%

Aye well I think most of the Labour party in recent decades is more Tory than not. Jezza era something of a blip tbh.

yeah sadly I don't think anything like Corbynism will ever happen again in our lifetimes, it was always doomed but I was a believer, now I'm just burnt out!

kieth is socially conservative, fiscally conservative. Even US president elect gropy Joe is outflanking him on trans rights!

Corbynism was a blip in the entire party history tbh, even before new labour the left was generally marginal

Starmer et al seem to think not offending the r/w press is either more important than public approval or that it’s literally the same thing

arguably Atlee was the Starmzy of his era, you're not wrong

you read UKANIA PERPETUA yet Left? That helped me deal with mental baggage I'd accumulated supporting this garbage party!

I haven’t but I’m going to read it now

people my age don’t remember labour before blair but from what we heard growing up you’d think the party was basically communist before he came along and saved/ruined it

it isn't helped by dickheads like Ken Loach putting out stupid hagiographic docs that unquestioningly glorify 1945 Labour without any proper historical context.

i used to make the argument even during the Blair years that Old Labour wasn't exactly the Fourth Internationale

Not remotely surprising - and worth noting that in London, the renters I knew were overwhelmingly pro-Corbyn and the homeowners the most vehemently opposed (although that was never their stated reason) https://t.co/6P1t8uVpjX

— Juliet. (@zinovievletter) November 26, 2020

the most vehemently opposed people to Corbyn seem to be very quiet now there is a Tory leading the Labour Party

Hard to think of a more unprincipled senior figure in British public life right now https://t.co/YkVOUWppPQ

— Stephen Smith (@SteveNickSmith) November 28, 2020

that's one way of putting it

My statement following tonight’s Nottingham East CLP meeting. pic.twitter.com/OzuoKa4XRM

— Nadia Whittome MP (@NadiaWhittomeMP) November 27, 2020

I wasn't expecting this from Nadia, but there you go.

"a motion that was clearly out of order"

Yeah, not sure what she's up to here.

Today's joker:

For the sake of any younger folks on here, I'd just like to assure you Keir Starmer is well to the left of where Tony Blair ever was

— James Harris (@JamesHarrisNow) November 27, 2020

lol most of the New Labour poverty ameliorating policies have already been denounced by his Shadow Chancellor as "spending too much"

I think Nadia has been supportive of Jammy Crumjirn but also keen to maintain party unity, I might disagree on this but she's still sound imo

you have to choose sides in a factional war and there is no such thing as party unity and never has been imo. But I still like her as a person.

more often than not "unity" is just a cudgel used to bludgeon elements of the losing side over the head with!

well yeah, but she's a good'un