dust
― budo jeru, Thursday, 12 November 2020 21:21 (five years ago)
nice one!
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 12 November 2020 21:25 (five years ago)
then again, if you’d change the lyrics of the Kansas hit to “all we do is dust in the wind”, it wouldn’t change the meaning of the song at all
― kiss some penis reference (breastcrawl), Saturday, 14 November 2020 09:59 (five years ago)
gallant
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 14 November 2020 11:47 (five years ago)
previously meant “sexually forward” i.e. a man motivated by trying to get into ladies’ knickers and was basically negativethen became a bit of a catch-all for “courageous”, not just in carnal mattersthen the honorable side of courage rubbed off on it, but the previous association with behaviour towards women remained, so magically “gallant” now means “chivalrous” - previously its exact antonym!
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 14 November 2020 11:55 (five years ago)
Same etymon as 'well' (e.g. 'well-being') and the Gallo-Roman 'walare', which meant 'to chill' (figuratively, that is). The ancestors had their priorities straight.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 14 November 2020 13:20 (five years ago)
Along the same lines: 'to host' could also mean 'to lodge at an inn' back in the day. Its ambiguity subsists in the French 'hôte', which denotes both guest and host depending on the context. Nor is a host in the military sense a welcome guest in most cases, but it's not an exact antonym either.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 14 November 2020 13:24 (five years ago)
Speaking of French, it also features a number of spectacular diachronic reversals: 'rem' (Latin accusative of 'res', i.e. 'thing') eventually became 'rien' (nothing).
From most to least obsolete, the nouns 'mie' (the soft part of bread), 'goutte' (drop (of liquid)), 'point' (self-explanatory) and 'pas' (step) double as adverbs that mean 'not' (e.g. 'je (ne) peux pas'). Presumably 'ne' or 'n'' on their own (as in 'on n'y voit goutte') are too puny to bear the mighty weight of negation.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 14 November 2020 13:40 (five years ago)
fain
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 2 April 2021 20:28 (five years ago)
Definition of fain (Entry 1 of 2)1a : WILLINGhe was very fain, for the young widow was "altogether fair and lovely … "— Amy Kellyb : being obliged or constrained : COMPELLEDGreat Britain was fain to devote its whole energy … to the business of slaying and being slain— G. M. Trevelyan
"performative" seems to have developed a couple of almost opposite meanings, not sure which definition came first
― nothing (Left), Friday, 2 April 2021 20:38 (five years ago)
also: communism (no state vs supreme state)
― nothing (Left), Friday, 2 April 2021 20:43 (five years ago)
nonplussed
(contradictory usage if not actual meaning but it ain't going away.)
― Noel Emits, Saturday, 3 April 2021 00:32 (five years ago)
Karen
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 4 April 2021 03:33 (five years ago)
I was reminded of this thread by an advert for a furniture store which uses Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell's "Ain't Nothing Like the Real Thing" as its soundtrack. Are they able to give those massive discounts they're always telling us about because their stuff is just cheap tat?
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Sunday, 4 April 2021 13:28 (five years ago)
"fellow children" because sometimes it means you are a child and sometimes is means you are in fact masquerading as a child
― your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Sunday, 4 April 2021 14:26 (five years ago)
spare:
being in excess of present need; free for other use: spare time.
frugally restricted or meager, as a manner of living or a diet: a spare regime.
― koogs, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 03:00 (five years ago)
Yeah that's good!
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 08:54 (five years ago)
Beheaded
― Pfizer the pharma chip (wins), Saturday, 22 May 2021 11:38 (five years ago)
am i understanding these definitions correctly? 1 and 2 are opposite, no? even the “or” in 1b seems to point the two options in opposite directionsnoesis1 : purely intellectual apprehension:a Platonism : the highest kind of knowledge or knowledge of the eternal forms or ideas —contrasted with dianoiab in Husserl : the subjective aspect of or the act in an intentional experience —distinguished from noema2 : cognition especially when occurring through direct knowledge
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 5 June 2022 15:29 (four years ago)
Handicap, as it applies in golf. Perhaps not contradictory but counter-intuitive
"Dust" is my favourite in this thread. Imagine that when it was time to do the sweeping you'd say "can you dirt the floor today please"
― a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Sunday, 5 June 2022 15:50 (four years ago)
classic Amelia Bedelia scene depending on that one iirc
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 5 June 2022 16:15 (four years ago)
Hahahah
― a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Sunday, 5 June 2022 16:19 (four years ago)
“the goat”
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 26 November 2022 23:05 (three years ago)
Ha, yes! Took me ages to figure out this new meaning, scratched my head many times on the way
― The Dark End of the Tweet (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 November 2022 23:28 (three years ago)
contemporary!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:51 AM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 23:43 (two years ago)
Off: turn off, set off (e.g. a fire alarm)
― organ doner (ledge), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 08:31 (two years ago)
“turn” and “set” are different words
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 09:20 (two years ago)
they're not the word in question.
― organ doner (ledge), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 09:29 (two years ago)
well then you could say anything is contradictory! the word “turn” - turn up vs turn down etc
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 09:40 (two years ago)
typcially to put something in an 'off' state - turn off, switch off - is to disable it or stop it. in some cases - set off, kick off - it can mean to enable or start. ok strictly speaking it's the phrase as a whole which has the meaning, nevertheless i find it curious and amusing that 'off' can be used in this way.
― organ doner (ledge), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 09:46 (two years ago)
i think "off" in that second group is working more as "free" or "release" or "unleash". i agree that it's doing something different to turning off a switch
― Tyler Perry's Cystitis (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 09:54 (two years ago)
let's set off the fire extinguisher! no, turn it off, turn it off!
― organ doner (ledge), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 09:55 (two years ago)
Fuck off
― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 09:56 (two years ago)
Not really just seemed like the thing to say
to ask someone to fuck off is not necessarily the same as wishing them to be fucked off
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 09:58 (two years ago)
fuck away
no, it's not quite the same
― Tyler Perry's Cystitis (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 09:59 (two years ago)
fuck off the pain
The phrase “if not” in constructions like “it was a piece of showmanship worthy of Gaz Coombes, if not Hitler” is used to mean two basically contradictory things (“although not Hitler” vs “and even Hitler”)
― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 10:07 (two years ago)
Is that a reference to the Suella Braverman resignation letter?
― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 10:10 (two years ago)
i don't think this is a contradiction exactly, it's more like the establishment of a continuum without locating a specific place on the continuum
viz it's contradctory to say "i was in london and also i was in glasgow" but it's not contradictory to say "i was on the london-glasgow train" -- “it was a piece of showmanship worthy of Gaz Coombes, if not Hitler” is a way of saying "i was on the coombes-hitler train": you're indicating an evolution and a direction but not a distance
― mark s, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 10:40 (two years ago)
in a sense are we not all on the coombes-hitler train ?
― mark s, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 10:41 (two years ago)
I'll be in the Quiet coach.
― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 11:07 (two years ago)
i agree with the wins offering of if not as used
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 11:42 (two years ago)
OK how about this:the alarm's going offvsthe television's going off (till you've done your homework)
― organ doner (ledge), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 13:43 (two years ago)
the yoghurts going off
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 14:09 (two years ago)
Hmm. I guess that to go off might mean lots of activity (go off on a tangent) or no activity (go off line) or unexpected activity (go off script) or unpleasant activity (go off on someone).
But these are set phrases, not sure that's the same thing as a word that might function as its own antonym.
― don't let days go by, Listerine (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 14:16 (two years ago)
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=go+off+queen
― mark s, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 14:17 (two years ago)
Or go off your meds, which means to not take them, or go off message, which means to lose discipline. Go off queen is more like "lose control but in a good way."
― don't let days go by, Listerine (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 14:19 (two years ago)
as far as I'm concerned phrases are words and I think at least some linguists would back me up on this
― Left, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 14:19 (two years ago)