lol that’s what I am saying
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:29 (three years ago) link
But you betray an actual belief that there need to be police in your responses, VHS, and I don't actually believe that.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:30 (three years ago) link
So, regarding the slogan, sure, but we are not the same.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:31 (three years ago) link
"Defund the Police" is a bad slogan because every American not posting in this thread has been brainwashed by 60 years of televised copaganda. Even people who don't like cops, on some level, like cops. Feel comforted by cops. Think the world is full of Bad People from whom cops will save them. If you want to get the idea into people's heads that cops should have a smaller role in daily life, that other agencies should be better funded and more available to solve problems that cannot be solved with bullets and tear gas (an idea I agree with 1000%), you're going to need to say that. You're going to need to say More Money For Crisis Teams* (*and less money for cops). When you say Defund the Police, you're saying Take Away the Cops. And even people who know how racist and fascistic cops are (never mind how useless they are 90 percent of the time; they're basically janitors with guns) are not going to be able to overcome an entire lifetime's worth of programming in an instant and hop on board for your crusade.
IOW tell people what you want to give them, not what you want to take away.
"Defund the Police" is the worst "I'm smarter than you, shut up" lefty bullshit sloganeering I've seen in years.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:31 (three years ago) link
ThNk
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:32 (three years ago) link
Sorry, thank fuck for that post.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:33 (three years ago) link
defund the police is a perfectly fine slogan
signed, an American not posting in this thread
― the burrito that defined a generation, Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:34 (three years ago) link
Shut the fuck up
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:35 (three years ago) link
I don’t think there is need for a police in our society, but I can entertain being wrong about that. Also, I think that in the meantime, I believe there are models elsewhere that might be applicable to the US that might work and prevent the kind of horrors americans are accustomed to, while society advances towards abolition.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:38 (three years ago) link
from slightly after the 538 article posted above, this is what progress looks like and why slogans were invented.
Just over a month ago, the term “defund the police” was almost entirely the domain of activists and academics. Now it’s a household phrase, with a huge majority of Americans telling pollsters they recognize it.
But what exactly does it mean? And when Americans hear it, what do they think of? For proponents of police reform, is it a useful slogan — or dangerously alienating?
In the immediate aftermath of George Floyd’s killing in late May at the hands of Minneapolis police officers, calls to sharply cut police funding appeared potentially radioactive. Beyond some high-profile progressive figures, including a number of young politicians of color, few leading Democrats embraced the term.
Joseph R. Biden Jr., the party’s presumptive presidential nominee, staked out his position early last month: “I do not support defunding police,” he wrote in a USA Today op-ed article, pushing a range of reforms instead.
But as people have learned more about the term and some city governments have even put it into action, Americans have shown some receptiveness to it. Recent polling suggests that many Americans have come to understand the phrase as a call not to simply eliminate the keepers of the peace, but to reinvest a portion of their funding in other programs and crime prevention techniques.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/03/us/politics/polling-defund-the-police.html
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:38 (three years ago) link
Recent polling does not mean a cold turd to me these days.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:41 (three years ago) link
hey now i've been brainwashed by plenty of televised copaganda
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:42 (three years ago) link
But as people have learned more about the term and some city governments have even put it into action, Americans have shown some receptiveness to it.
It's like we should trust and respect our fellow man instead of assuming they're all too stupid to catch on no matter what.
― onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:44 (three years ago) link
*looks at the world*
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:45 (three years ago) link
"PerryUndem’s survey was conducted with the online polling firm YouGov, using what is known as a non-probability panel of respondents, whose composition may not perfectly reflect the makeup of the country."
"But neither position was identified by a majority of respondents, and a significant share said they still weren’t sure how to interpret the term."
Kinda feel like "I don't even know what this slogan means" indicates it's not a good one
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:46 (three years ago) link
this thread is beyond depressing. so much fuss over such a ludicrously modest compromise slogan, including from people who claim to be behind it in spirit. talking about this stuff like it’s some brand new thing that just fell out of the sky yesterday. I need a drink after reading all this. my god
― a nice person (Left), Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:58 (three years ago) link
I got a fresh bottle of Fernet.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:59 (three years ago) link
has AOC said/done anything lately
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 November 2020 03:01 (three years ago) link
‘ ludicrously modest compromise slogan’
‘You guys are ridiculous because I’m more on the left than you’
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 12 November 2020 03:07 (three years ago) link
Sadly, Left is correct
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 12 November 2020 03:14 (three years ago) link
did the election erase people’s memories or something
I wonder why this liberal backlash has become so aggressive right now, after having won? I mean I don’t really. but it’s pretty gross to witness
― a nice person (Left), Thursday, 12 November 2020 03:19 (three years ago) link
Because a half dozen DINOs in BFE lost their house races to Qanon
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Thursday, 12 November 2020 03:26 (three years ago) link
R we really co-opting RINO
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 November 2020 03:29 (three years ago) link
Scientific American (oddly) tried two stabs at this, "Reinvent Policing" in their September print issue and "Fix Toxic Policing" in an online editorial. I like the latter.
― Advanced Doomscroller (Sanpaku), Thursday, 12 November 2020 03:55 (three years ago) link
But you betray an actual belief that there need to be police
If there are going to be any laws whatsoever, then there needs to be some enforcement mechanism or else there will be zero reason to comply with any law, in any society, of any size or composition, that you care to define. Whatever that mechanism looks like, it will fit a reasonable description of 'policing'. Even if the actors are mostly agrarians or nomads, or hunter-gatherers, when they are engaged in enforcing social laws they are policing their society.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:06 (three years ago) link
Hardly anyone even wants to do most crimes as far as I can tell.
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:09 (three years ago) link
Only 1% of crimes are fun
― onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:13 (three years ago) link
uh, that's an interesting take. try serving on a grand jury. it won't improve your opinion of police, but it won't exactly reinforce your view of humanity's reluctance to do damage to one another either.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:13 (three years ago) link
What can police do about, like, a murder anyway? Catch you after the murder? Worthless. Hardly anybody does murders and yet we have a thousand armed suburbanites strolling around with nothing to do on city payroll because people are afraid of murders! Preposterous.
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:15 (three years ago) link
The police aren’t going around catching car thieves and old-lady-scammers in the act, the main thing they do is intimidate protesters.
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:18 (three years ago) link
Catch you after the murder? Worthless.
yes I see (tents hands) please do go on.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:18 (three years ago) link
You’d probably need about six cops for the whole city if all the police did was arrest people who had done a crime.
No offense to anyone itt who was murdered
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:20 (three years ago) link
(looks over the top of his eyeglasses) very interesting. do go on.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:20 (three years ago) link
With computers the way they are now you can probably just get some high school kids to investigate the crimes on the weekend and then send jerry down to arrest the guy
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:21 (three years ago) link
what city is this? are we talking about Emerald City
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:22 (three years ago) link
this is pretty funny
Rubio calls on GOP to rebrand as party of "multiethnic, multiracial, working class" voters https://t.co/NZaws2U7Hy pic.twitter.com/eNOFaHwAcZ— The Hill (@thehill) November 11, 2020
Marco Rubio is joining The Squad https://t.co/J6g5mIuZcw— Murtaza M. Hussain (@MazMHussain) November 12, 2020
Membership rejected 🙅🏽♀️ https://t.co/O9IUKh3ZBK— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) November 12, 2020
By unanimous vote 🚫— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) November 12, 2020
― frogbs, Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:30 (three years ago) link
lol solid
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:31 (three years ago) link
AOC may be the only politician whose tweets give me actual lols
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 12 November 2020 05:10 (three years ago) link
Aimless, grand juries are a load of anti-democratic bullshit most often utilized to intimidate and incriminate people. I should know, because I've had several friends sent to jail for refusing to testify on them. Fuck a grand jury, and screw your fealty to a system of laws that is only enforced against a few. Your middle-of-the-road rationalist superiority complex is one of the most pathetic things on this board, because it betrays a lack of any imagination or actual desire for change.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 12 November 2020 12:37 (three years ago) link
*extreme commie voice* i feel like a lot of side effects of the way we’ve organized society cause, reinforce, and perpetuate “””””””crimes”””””””
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 12 November 2020 13:39 (three years ago) link
albeit this is something i’ve mostly gleaned from watching a lot of law & order
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 12 November 2020 13:41 (three years ago) link
also most of the ppl doing the worst crimes against humanity have a ton of money and take forever to catch because of it, another thing that makes me think that policing within capitalism is highly ineffective
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 12 November 2020 13:43 (three years ago) link
cops are bad but shows and movies about cops are good
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:04 (three years ago) link
to the extent that anyone is trying to catch those particular criminals and not, like, hire them xp
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:04 (three years ago) link
who doesn't love a good creature feature
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:05 (three years ago) link
i would say there are degrees, cf. blue bloods which is basically like snorting uncut copaganda
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:12 (three years ago) link
all this stuff about the gop becoming a "working class party" makes no sense unless they start proposing some pro-worker policies.
― treeship., Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:14 (three years ago) link
the larry cohen movies that involve cops are like... cops are sometimes the main characters, but you can tell he thought cops were monsters anyway. that perspective really works for me
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:14 (three years ago) link
I recently watched an old episode of SVU (the first one as Amanda Plummer as the schizophrenic who was sexually assaulted) and I was taken aback by how much of a dick Liv was for most of the episode
― DJP, Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:14 (three years ago) link