GET OUT: US politics November 2020

Aha!

perfectly rational btw

Old Lunch or whoever else, I know I'm not a super notable or exciting presence here on ilx but I'd be happy to escape into a video game with you or any other feasible distraction like wehole etc. if you need someone to hang out with.

these are the people Biden wants to compromise with

A Wisconsin GOP state legislator has already endorsed this idea.

"You either have to toss this election out and have a whole new election, or we have our delegates to the Electoral College vote for the person they think legitimately should have won"https://t.co/kCUStGwE7F pic.twitter.com/vky7LI9HIK

— Andrew Prokop (@awprokop) November 11, 2020

he does?

that's prohibited under Wisconsin law, so good luck fucko

state legislature doesn't even pick the electors in WI

I suggest a winning $500M lottery ticket should materialize in my hands every day despite never playing the lottery.

still. SITTING POLITICIANS ARE SAYING THIS SHIT. fuck.

I hate this country.

I literally oscillate every day between thinking of ways I would like to bring never-ending pain and torment to Trump, his aides, the GOP, his followers, and thinking about the people I love and care about and how I want to keep it together for them.

I am not worried about results being overturned, I just do not enjoy living in society with delusional brain-dead idiots. I enjoy punching these people.

btw even when I picture myself fighting, I'm bad at it even in my fantasies

I suggest a winning $500M lottery ticket should materialize in my hands every day despite never playing the lottery.

― the colour out of space (is the place) (PBKR), Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:14 PM (fifty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

You're exposing the major plot hole of my own lottery fantasies

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/11/politics/georgia-full-state-recount-2020-presidential-race/index.html

hey why not? it's gonna result in a Biden win and it removes all talk of impropriety, so...hey, I'm for it

Pretty tight deadline to get that done by Nov. 20.

State legislatures include all kinds of idiots who say things.

they seem to feel they can finish by then per the article.

Boris Johnson referred to Trump as teh "previous President" today

IMO if Trump hasnt 'conceded' by Jan 5 (he will) all of the losing Democrat Senators should show up to be sworn in on Jan 5

cool guy: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nyc-man-arrested-threatening-kill-sen-schumer-protesters-prosecutors-say-n1247381

Heads of state who haven't congratulated Biden on his win yet, a shortlist:

Vladimir Putin
Xi Jinping
Recep Tayyip Erdoğan
Kim Jong-un
Jair Bolsonaro
Andrés Manuel López Obrador

GA's SoS "acknowledged that the audit would be expensive and 'a heavy lift' and that election workers will be working overtime."

bill Trump

https://thehill.com/regulation/international/525285-turkeys-erdogan-congratulates-biden-on-winning-election

My bad, I was working with an older list.

Even if an elector could "vote for who they "thought legitimately should have won", aren't they Democrat electors due to Biden having carried the state??

think he was referring to the legislature planting GOP electors

None of the newly elected GOP congresspeople seem to be complaining about their elections.

That's where the Dem fraudsters failed, you see. They were unable to cover all the bases because they're just not that competent.

xxpost Think he was stating the current GOP platform which is 'reality itself must at all times be violently wrenched into that form which most benefits the GOP'.

It's virtually identical to the spoiled toddler at daycare platform of 'I want the ball, it's MINE'.

I mean, genuinely: these are people for whom all meaningful development abruptly stopped around age three.

That's where the Dem fraudsters failed, you see. They were unable to cover all the bases because they're just not that competent.

― pomenitul, Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:33 PM (four minutes ago)

no no no, the idea is to not show your hand by getting too greedy

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The vote of the Electoral College is not the moment either Biden or Trump will legally win the presidency. All electoral votes must still be accepted as qualifying votes and then counted.

In our Constitution, this power belongs to the Congress. On January 6, 2021, the new Congress elected in November 2020 – not the current Congress – will hold a joint session of the House of Representatives and the Senate in the House Chamber.

During this session, Congress officially accepts the Electoral College votes of each state and counts them. Under ordinary circumstances, this is a ceremonial event in which the already-settled results of the November election are made official.

But let us be clear: there is nothing ceremonial about the power being exercised on this date. It is the result of this vote count, and no other, that determines who will be the next president.

Congress – not voters, not county election officials, not governors and legislatures – ultimately chooses the president. If the election is disputed, the final battle will be fought in Congress.

Just reposting this here as pretty thorough guide to all this stuff:
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1aqmM4xtwrQICCu5KldYePLf3Zk_TMzRo71wRvyPmLfk/mobilebasic?urp=gmail_link&gxids=7628

Haven't y'all heard the latest intel? Dems created phony ballots that only had the Prez race marked. Hence winning Prez and losing downballot races.

is it just majority vote rule for Congress? cos I imagine Romney, Murk, and Collins would vote "yay", as well as probably the fourth one Toomey, which would put us at least at 52 (depending what we get at runoff).

but wait, would the runoff Senators even be seated yet? cos if not, we'd probably be at a 48-48 tie.

damn, i was wondering why joe biden was the only option on the ballots i intercepted from republican voters, filled in and signed, then fraudulently submitted to election centers across the nation

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^no fuckin Imagine Dragons!

To be fair, Trump warned us this was coming. He's all-seeing, all-knowing.

lol Pelosi would become President if Congress didn't finish counting electorals by 1/20

Congress – not voters, not county election officials, not governors and legislatures – ultimately chooses the president.

Legally speaking, correct. Realistically speaking, this can only come into play in an election which has failed spectacularly to produce a winner. Any failure on the part of Congress to ratify the election results that have been duly certified by county election officials, governors and legislatures, means the election produced such profound chaos that this is the failsafe to ensure some method of continuity. It is best to think of it as the equivalent of the third level of tie-breaker in determining the champion of a sports league.

This election is not even that close. It's not as close as 2016 or 2000. Not just in the popular vote, but in the swing state margins. It's probably not going to be as close as 2004. So it's the 4th-closest election out of five this century. Overturning this result by either state legislators or the courts would be a fairly breathtaking level of interference. And I know we've seen a lot of breathtaking disregard for law in the last four years, but most of that has been by Trump and his immediate team. To expect hundreds of Republican legislators and/or judges to go along seems highly unlikely.

But of course, I never thought Trump would get elected in the first place. So I recognize the weakness of my own prognostications and expectations.

75 million people voted for Biden. think of that - and think of how many people you know that were wearing Biden shirts or hats, or had enthusiasm for Biden like Obama did in 2008? It was a defiance vote, an anti-Trump vote. Look at the celebrations in the streets last week.

telling 75 million people their vote has been invalidated is not going to result in a shrug. there'll be people in the streets, probably in greater volume than this summer. Trumpers will be too I'm sure - it'll be a level of unrest that we probably haven't seen in our lifetime. It won't be the soccer moms who voted Biden, no, but there are a lot of left-wing groups ready to mobilize.

or so I"m told. anybody know of any? because I'd like to join jic this thing goes the 1% scenario in my head

It might be my imagination, but it feels like the US Politics thread has perhaps turned a corner after four years of Trump-induced shock-and-awe. The tension and anxiety are slowly subsiding. Not gone. That will require more time and Trump's unambiguous marginalization. But it feels like a tide a few minutes into its ebb.

Doesn't really matter if I'm right or wrong. Carry on.

xp Agreed, Neanderthal. But don't count out the soccer moms (see e.g., Women's March)

Slowly seeing a drip drip of GOP senators breaking rank. I'm hopeful for more as we approach certified votes by the end of the month.

NEW: Georgia State Senator Chuck Hufstetler becomes first Republican in GA legislature to publicly acknowledge President Elect Biden.

"It's my opinion that Joe Biden has won the election and will be declared the winner," he tells me. "I don't see anything that will change that."

— Charles.Bethea (@charlesbethea) November 11, 2020

but wait, would the runoff Senators even be seated yet? cos if not, we'd probably be at a 48-48 tie.

― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:50 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

chances are that 3 GOP senators (collins, romney, murkowski, toomey) would peel off and certify the results, but who even knows anymore

xpost STATE Senators, but i'll take what I can get, and it's in Georgia so

here's a fun one: any predictions on legislation that could pass in the next legislative term?

let's say the Georgia run-offs are split, so the senate is 51-49 GOP, while of course democrats have the house and Biden is the president of the united states of america.

the mandatory things like budgets will be passed, possibly via a never-ending series of continuing resolutions to keep the government open. anything else that's not mandatory to consider?

i'd like to have some sort of low-level hope in romney and murkowski to occasionally do the right thing, but people like Manchin mean we may need more than them