rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread

Many GOP leaders, while evil, are not stupid, which is how they’ve been clinging tick-like to the body politic for so long

are the military votes in PA a worry?

Not at the rate Biden's gaining.

i dont think the military uniformly loves him anyway

Hah, "uniformly"

Tombot insists that decent honorable people exist among the troops, but I’ve never seen any evidence of it. They’ll vote overwhelmingly for trump, but don’t have the numbers to change anything (In PA, maybe they do in GA)

Anyone saying that the troops are all Trumpoid wastes are wasting my time, their time, and your time. Fuck that assumption, forever.

one of my good friends is a vet and he has been Never Trumper from the jump (and isn't even a conservative)

They’ll vote overwhelmingly for trump

Evidence? I've known quite a few liberal men and women in the armed forces.

My brother was in the army for 23 years. He currently lives in Alabama with his second wife and a fuckton of guns. To say he is anti-Trump would be a massive understatement.

TBF those examples are very anecdotal too

Lots of people of color in the armed forces, and one would presume that from a decently diverse state such as PA...

TBF those examples are very anecdotal too

― Evan, Friday, November 6, 202

TBF with a group of men and women this huge you can't generalize.

the military in the US has tended to vote republican for the last several decades but with a lot of millennials serving and the generational change that brings I seem to recall that they leaned slightly towards Biden this election according to a poll ran by the military times

Lots of people of color in the armed forces, and one would presume that from a decently diverse state such as PA...

― coup de nancy grace (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, November 6, 2020 1:39 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Do most military vote in their home states or in the states they are stationed?

TBF those examples are very anecdotal too

― Evan, Friday, November 6, 202

TBF with a group of men and women this huge you can't generalize.

― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 November 2020 18:42 (thirty-six seconds ago) link

You can however analyze the demographic the way jim just did and while it is nice to hear about individual examples it doesn't really serve as a valuable counterpoint.

Man alive,

Within the US, it's the same as college students. They can either choose to keep their official residence as their parents' house, or register to vote where they are stationed. Because of how often they move, I think younger ones tend to stay registered in their home state and older ones register where they are, but I don't have numbers.

To be clear, a lot of the time, when people talk about military ballots they mean those from personnel stationed overseas.

Oh and as I meant to post here, the military is measurably more diverse than the civilian pop

But often when we speak

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/demographics-us-military

Oops, ignore stray penultimate line there

Aw, I liked that one

Ned is a Buddha to whom I defer in all things. I’ll just say that I bet more military folks vote for trump than Biden and leave it at that

I agree. I think it will be majority for Trump but maybe not as large a majority as for other republicans.

There can be evidence of certain leans, yes, especially as there's claims that there's been a sense of 'family tradition' in serving which could have a kind of effect that causes an isolation from the general population. That is not enough.

Everyone's earlier examples are all relevant. Personal cards on the table: my father, though in a different place given he served as an officer for thirty years after graduating from the Naval Academy, was certain once a generally conservative fellow. That's changed gently over time, and he has loathed Trump from the get-go. I will not have him be denigrated by cheap generalizations.

xp Not even sure you can take that as read. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/

Meanwhile, in the Oval Office, a voice is heard:

No matter where; of comfort no man speak:
Let's talk of graves, of worms, and epitaphs;
Make dust our paper and with rainy eyes
Write sorrow on the bosom of the earth,
Let's choose executors and talk of wills:
And yet not so, for what can we bequeath
Save our deposed bodies to the ground?
Our lands, our lives and all are Bolingbroke's,
And nothing can we call our own but death
And that small model of the barren earth
Which serves as paste and cover to our bones.
For God's sake, let us sit upon the ground
And tell sad stories of the death of kings;
How some have been deposed; some slain in war,
Some haunted by the ghosts they have deposed;
Some poison'd by their wives: some sleeping kill'd;
All murder'd: for within the hollow crown
That rounds the mortal temples of a king
Keeps Death his court and there the antic sits,
Scoffing his state and grinning at his pomp,
Allowing him a breath, a little scene,
To monarchize, be fear'd and kill with looks,
Infusing him with self and vain conceit,
As if this flesh which walls about our life,
Were brass impregnable, and humour'd thus
Comes at the last and with a little pin
Bores through his castle wall, and farewell king!
Cover your heads and mock not flesh and blood
With solemn reverence: throw away respect,
Tradition, form and ceremonious duty,
For you have but mistook me all this while:
I live with bread like you, feel want,
Taste grief, need friends: subjected thus,
How can you say to me, I am a king?

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HOtO_HSvY7I/X6b6WSpcnXI/AAAAAAAAA4U/vOZEK4IbcGoQ82Qg1Qq8qZmAk-TntY5hACLcBGAsYHQ/s320/72dT.gif

removing bookmark

Can someone lock this thread so we never have to see it again?

please

He could run in 24!

unlock it in '24

So what are his chances at this point? I think he might turn it around

MY MAGA NEIGHBOR REMOVED HIS ***ENTIRE FLAGPOLE*** lmaoooooo

— bonhomme (@swamp_surprise) November 7, 2020

he had the entire ensemble, american flag, no more bullshit, don't tread on me. temoved the ENTIRE STRUCTURE

— bonhomme (@swamp_surprise) November 7, 2020

These Trump guys hate America more than anybody

MAKE AMERICA GR— actually you know what, n/m *whistles*

The silence or open acquiescence of GOP Senators to Trump's "this looks reeeeeeeal fishy" business is freaking me out, I need you guys to tell me they are not going to launch a literal coup after losing an election free and clear followed by half the country saying "well I know that's not strictly legal, but what are you gonna do, I saw on Facebook the other guys cheat even worse"

I mean there is a much more plausible explanation that they're thinking "It's still a better move for a GOP elected official not to oppose Trump so openly that the hardcore Trumpists would figure it out, better to let this thing deflate on its own"

Said on another thread my neighbor removed Trump flag from his pickup truck on Thursday but US and blue lives matter flags remain. Yesterday I noticed the don't tread on me mixed with confed flag was down from mast on house, dunno how long ago that happened.
Then I thought hmm maybe he grabbed the Trump flag and hitched a ride with a buddy to Phx to go protest. We shall see if Trump flag makes a return

eephus otm

otm where I sweat or otm where I talk myself down

I meant that most career politicians are just keeping their heads down in the hopes that things just deflate

OK I do think that makes the most sense

I had a paranoid moment about the coup possibility, but I just don't see the mechanics of it working. Federalist Society and all, I don't think the judiciary is sufficiently degraded to allow it. And the courts are his only conceivable avenue, it's not going to come from the military.

In court, you have actually prove things.

have to

Eephus, I hasten to note that abject terror and eerie calm can in fact coexist, and both may be right.

It's Schrodinger's news cycle.

Wetting your pants while also taking celebratory bong hits is prolly appropriate to the moment.

Carry on and stay thirsty my friends

Wetting your pants while also taking celebratory bong hits is prolly appropriate to the moment.

are you literally looking in my window right now

YMP looking through all of our windows rn

You should at least have the sense to draw the blinds, sheesh

You especially, Lunch.

I've been having some panicky feelings tonight, too, after reading this Masha Gessen piece (from a few days ago), calling Trump's declaration of victory an "attempted autocratic breakthrough," and the stuff about how the GSA administrator won't authorize the transition to begin.