rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread

I completely feel you, emil.y. I've been living in hopeless doomspace for the last couple of days, having completely withdrawn from news and the internet and just assuming the absolute worst and probably shaving years off of my life with all of the intense worrying. It's anxiety and it's also just trauma. 2016 was fucking traumatic. It's hard not to go through those miserable motions all over again. And also it's not like this was exactly a rout. The people who voted for him aren't just going away, so there's cause for residual anxiety wrt what that's going to mean going forward.

But still. This morning is the first time since Tuesday that I've allowed myself a little hope, and it admittedly does feel better than waking up bathed in sweat from nightmares about being in literal hell.

yeah that moment on Tuesday where it was like "holy shit we're really pulling out of the Paris Accord and the WHO and probably never having another fair election again and..." was legitimately crushing even though the reality was just that the scenario everyone said was gonna happen was happening

I mean you learn a lot about human nature, so many people said "DO NOT PANIC it's going to look like Trump won on Tuesday night but he'll lose due to the mail-ins in these particular states" and yet we all panicked anyway

It's OVAH.

Can we close this thread?!

He might win something else.

To what extent is it worth worrying about any malarky with electors in the coming weeks? Can people breathe easy before Dec 12?

Not worth it.

the fact that the GOP isn't really going along with this "challenge everything in the courts and try to dig up fraud" thing is probably a good sign they won't

also Joe was pretty consistent on his stance re: malarkey

I mean even Rush is saying it's over

Yeah you'll get rando true believers like this fool:

This Texas lawyer is flying to Philadelphia this morning to link up with a team of attorneys from across the country to fight for a fair and honest election in Pennsylvania. #lawyersfortrump pic.twitter.com/0TV87ifXEg

— 𝐁𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐜𝐨𝐞 𝐂𝐚𝐢𝐧 (@BriscoeCain) November 6, 2020

But otherwise...

Joe was pretty consistent on his stance re: malarkey

However, he failed to specifically denounce monkeyshines. A fatal error in my view.

That could still be the loophole that allows a Tump victory.

What if he handcuffs himself to the desk in the Oval Office?

Secret Service with bone saws and a lot of plastic sheeting.

dark (yet satisfying) lolz

thanks - figured as much. quite a lot coming down to them apparently deserting him now, isn't it?

Well they know it’s tilting at windmills and after all they will all still have jobs

Many GOP leaders, while evil, are not stupid, which is how they’ve been clinging tick-like to the body politic for so long

are the military votes in PA a worry?

Not at the rate Biden's gaining.

i dont think the military uniformly loves him anyway

Hah, "uniformly"

Tombot insists that decent honorable people exist among the troops, but I’ve never seen any evidence of it. They’ll vote overwhelmingly for trump, but don’t have the numbers to change anything (In PA, maybe they do in GA)

Anyone saying that the troops are all Trumpoid wastes are wasting my time, their time, and your time. Fuck that assumption, forever.

one of my good friends is a vet and he has been Never Trumper from the jump (and isn't even a conservative)

They’ll vote overwhelmingly for trump

Evidence? I've known quite a few liberal men and women in the armed forces.

My brother was in the army for 23 years. He currently lives in Alabama with his second wife and a fuckton of guns. To say he is anti-Trump would be a massive understatement.

TBF those examples are very anecdotal too

Lots of people of color in the armed forces, and one would presume that from a decently diverse state such as PA...

TBF those examples are very anecdotal too

― Evan, Friday, November 6, 202

TBF with a group of men and women this huge you can't generalize.

the military in the US has tended to vote republican for the last several decades but with a lot of millennials serving and the generational change that brings I seem to recall that they leaned slightly towards Biden this election according to a poll ran by the military times

Lots of people of color in the armed forces, and one would presume that from a decently diverse state such as PA...

― coup de nancy grace (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, November 6, 2020 1:39 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Do most military vote in their home states or in the states they are stationed?

TBF those examples are very anecdotal too

― Evan, Friday, November 6, 202

TBF with a group of men and women this huge you can't generalize.

― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 November 2020 18:42 (thirty-six seconds ago) link

You can however analyze the demographic the way jim just did and while it is nice to hear about individual examples it doesn't really serve as a valuable counterpoint.

Man alive,

Within the US, it's the same as college students. They can either choose to keep their official residence as their parents' house, or register to vote where they are stationed. Because of how often they move, I think younger ones tend to stay registered in their home state and older ones register where they are, but I don't have numbers.

To be clear, a lot of the time, when people talk about military ballots they mean those from personnel stationed overseas.

Oh and as I meant to post here, the military is measurably more diverse than the civilian pop

But often when we speak

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/demographics-us-military

Oops, ignore stray penultimate line there

Aw, I liked that one

Ned is a Buddha to whom I defer in all things. I’ll just say that I bet more military folks vote for trump than Biden and leave it at that

I agree. I think it will be majority for Trump but maybe not as large a majority as for other republicans.

There can be evidence of certain leans, yes, especially as there's claims that there's been a sense of 'family tradition' in serving which could have a kind of effect that causes an isolation from the general population. That is not enough.

Everyone's earlier examples are all relevant. Personal cards on the table: my father, though in a different place given he served as an officer for thirty years after graduating from the Naval Academy, was certain once a generally conservative fellow. That's changed gently over time, and he has loathed Trump from the get-go. I will not have him be denigrated by cheap generalizations.

xp Not even sure you can take that as read. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/

Meanwhile, in the Oval Office, a voice is heard:

No matter where; of comfort no man speak:
Let's talk of graves, of worms, and epitaphs;
Make dust our paper and with rainy eyes
Write sorrow on the bosom of the earth,
Let's choose executors and talk of wills:
And yet not so, for what can we bequeath
Save our deposed bodies to the ground?
Our lands, our lives and all are Bolingbroke's,
And nothing can we call our own but death
And that small model of the barren earth
Which serves as paste and cover to our bones.
For God's sake, let us sit upon the ground
And tell sad stories of the death of kings;
How some have been deposed; some slain in war,
Some haunted by the ghosts they have deposed;
Some poison'd by their wives: some sleeping kill'd;
All murder'd: for within the hollow crown
That rounds the mortal temples of a king
Keeps Death his court and there the antic sits,
Scoffing his state and grinning at his pomp,
Allowing him a breath, a little scene,
To monarchize, be fear'd and kill with looks,
Infusing him with self and vain conceit,
As if this flesh which walls about our life,
Were brass impregnable, and humour'd thus
Comes at the last and with a little pin
Bores through his castle wall, and farewell king!
Cover your heads and mock not flesh and blood
With solemn reverence: throw away respect,
Tradition, form and ceremonious duty,
For you have but mistook me all this while:
I live with bread like you, feel want,
Taste grief, need friends: subjected thus,
How can you say to me, I am a king?

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HOtO_HSvY7I/X6b6WSpcnXI/AAAAAAAAA4U/vOZEK4IbcGoQ82Qg1Qq8qZmAk-TntY5hACLcBGAsYHQ/s320/72dT.gif

removing bookmark

Can someone lock this thread so we never have to see it again?

please

He could run in 24!

unlock it in '24

So what are his chances at this point? I think he might turn it around

MY MAGA NEIGHBOR REMOVED HIS ***ENTIRE FLAGPOLE*** lmaoooooo

— bonhomme (@swamp_surprise) November 7, 2020

he had the entire ensemble, american flag, no more bullshit, don't tread on me. temoved the ENTIRE STRUCTURE

— bonhomme (@swamp_surprise) November 7, 2020

These Trump guys hate America more than anybody