GET OUT: US politics November 2020

A lot of these people could be talked into universal health care, clean energy, $15 minimum wage, etc. etc. Because these are good policies that help people.

This, if only because this is also how progressives and liberals came to accept these policy ideas. Over time they became sold on them. Now they are solidified into inherited doctrine. But these ideas weren't always so accepted as now.

As for the need to sell ideas, it helps to recall that DDT was sold to the public, not as a chemical poison, but as a modern miracle and it was unhesitatingly accepted as making the world a cleaner, safer, less disease-ridden place. A lot of conservative doctrine is snake oil of similar dimensions, but dislodging those ideas, once they are accepted, requires more work than it took to originally put them in place.

I mean this site alone is probably responsible for turning me from center left to full on antifa

Further Ralston. NV is set.

Biden is up by 11.4K right now in NV.

Dems are going to win these mail ballots coming in from Election Day and yesterday -- 63K. And they should win them decisively. That leaves 60K provisionals, which have been evenly split.

I see no path left for Trump here.

— Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports) November 5, 2020

this really isn't that complicated, people's perceptions of candidates are near-entirely based on whether the candidate is Good(tm) or Bad(tm); hence everyone on the right freaking out about the radical socialist policies of Joe Biden. his platform could probably be literally anything and not much would change

xps that warms my cold black anarchist heart, frogs

(or, see also, the relative support for measures like universal health care, raising the minimum wage, etc. when they are not associated with the Bad Person)

its like the sort of insanity that surrounds fandom around certain NFL or soccer teams, where people are not impartial and don't even pretend to be. every single pass interference call against you is bullshit. even the really, really blatant ones. turning politics into sports and making them seem inconsequential (which to be fair, to a lot of Trump's straight white male base, it really is) is his one real political "skill", and it's really fucking bad for the country. as someone posted in one of these threads..."if you bungle a pandemic this badly and your approval rating doesn't budge, something is fundamentally wrong with the country"

― frogbs, Thursday, 5 November 2020 18:06 (nine seconds ago) link

This is exactly it. And when someone calls you out and criticizes your position, you double down and dig in your heels out of pride, loyalty & spite. We've seen this behavior from the right wing as applied to EVERY single specific issue or scandal etc., where when faced with any conflicting fact or counterpoint to their position they just yell it louder and prouder... but now we're surprised that Trump turnout increased?
"But 230k Americans died because of him!"
"bullshit, fuck you, TRUMP 2020"

xp -- how much of the increase in turnout -- across the board, "joe biden had more votes than obama" included -- is simply attributable to vote-by-mail being expanded, rather than candidates doing anything "right" vs. "wrong"? serious question

A Georgia election official said that the state expects to finish counting ballots today. He said that some counties had forgotten "to press the upload button," and that they've been reminded to do so. https://t.co/pGEgku2VvJ pic.twitter.com/ScNSSZUgPL

— The New York Times (@nytimes) November 5, 2020

How’s the man in the White House doing, I do not hear you ask
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmFHV3uWoAENnHS?format=jpg&name=large

how much of the increase in turnout -- across the board, "joe biden had more votes than obama" included -- is simply attributable to vote-by-mail being expanded, rather than candidates doing anything "right" vs. "wrong"? serious question

I'd be willing to attribute at least 25% of it to that. Make it easier to vote, more people will do it.

"COVID-safe debauchery" sounds good to me.

xp re: Twitter screenshots

that's a sweet sight

He said that some counties had forgotten "to press the upload button," and that they've been reminded to do so

when you post on ilx and navigate away from the page before noticing all the xps

He said that some counties had forgotten "to press the upload button," and that they've been reminded to do so.

Stuff like that kills me. It's like when I stand there waiting for an unplugged kettle to boil. It's just...not that big a deal when I do it.

He's gonna get banned from Twitter once out of office huh

Florida: Obama’s fault

Remember those Obama "Hope" posters? What aesthetically, does this remind you of? If you said communist propaganda, you'd be correct. This design, as popular as it was, was a bad idea in regards to the Latinx vote in FL. This really sealed the "communist" deal.
7/ pic.twitter.com/UMMXNYpqNk

— Natalie Morales (@nataliemorales) November 4, 2020

that is from an election that occurred 12 years ago

CNN in the process of moving from "It's important that these states take their time and get it right" to "Why is this taking so long?"

lol didn’t Obama win Florida both times

An abysmal showing by Democrats in state legislative races on Tuesday not only denied them victories in Sun Belt and Rust Belt states that would have positioned them to advance their policy agenda — it also put the party at a disadvantage ahead of the redistricting that will determine the balance of power for the next decade.

This makes me weep. I thought post-presidency Obama was gonna tackle this thorny issue?

xp an election where Obama won the state

Shepard Fairy is such a no talent

Robby Mook was head of the Democratic House Super-PAC? I guess that isn’t failing upward at least.

Obama has been enjoying his beach time and working deals with Netflix. Tbh, I don't blame him.

Florida: Obama’s fault

ludicrous

Sick set, bro. pic.twitter.com/IYGxSU8lWV

— Andrew Ellis (@Ellis_Samizdat) November 4, 2020

What aesthetically, does this remind you of? If you said communist propaganda, you'd be correct.

Natalie would be more convincing if she showed an example of the communist propaganda for comparison.

it also put the party at a disadvantage ahead of the redistricting that will determine the balance of power for the next decade.

Also, Missouri Republicans got an referendum passed 51-49 restoring their ability to gerrymander after voters took that power away just 2 years ago

PA update

Alright, PA Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar says it's likely we could know by TODAY the winner in the state of PA. The outstanding 550K +/- votes are being counted today.

— Abby D. Phillip (@abbydphillip) November 5, 2020

the problem with referenda is that you can just keep putting up questions on the ballot and hope that eventually you can buy your wanted result.

The Trump family is now calling on GOP-controlled state legislatures to nullify the actual vote and push for Trump electors. This is a dangerous moment. pic.twitter.com/aaEuRCiudk

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) November 5, 2020

xpost aka The Wonderful World of Tim Eyman.

xps yeah caek has been mounting convincing arguments against ballot measures as a whole over on the CA politics thread, with similar logic

Levin was vowing revenge on Trump for cancelling an election-night interview--good to see he's made the peace.

Mark Levin is shouting into the void, as he has been doing for the majority of his career. He's like 19 rungs down from Limbaugh on the right-wing ladder. He's sub-Glenn Beck (and I mean Glenn Beck circa 2020).

i think the issue was the retweet by Don Jr.?

Who is 20 rungs down or will be soon.

oh damn, djt jr. retweeted something? now i'm really worried

I'm programmed to read the sentiments about PA going to Biden with cynical skepticism because I've been hurt so many times before by optimistic/over confident twitter-fed hype... in short why again is it such a sure thing to go blue? Sorry...

"You have the final say over the choosing of electors" - might be correct, but SUCH a dark path to go down.

xpost Basically because it's blue counties now for the most part, not to mention Philadelphia itself, and Biden's mail vote win rate (77-78% of total) is unchanged. Math takes care of the rest -- Trump's lead has shrunk dramatically since yesterday and there are still lots more votes to count.

What aesthetically, does this remind you of? If you said communist propaganda, you'd be correct.

Natalie would be more convincing if she showed an example of the communist propaganda for comparison.

― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless)

I'm not reading her thread (which I saw yesterday) the same way you guys are; then again, I'm Floridian and Cuban. She's saying the colors of the Obama poster "sealed the deal" for thousands of Hispanics who, I should point out, weren't voting for the black Democrat anyway.

Anyway, it doesn't matter, but the rest of her thread makes a couple good points.

xpost It's a variant of why Ralston has called Nevada at this point -- the numbers are clear and unchanging.

"calling for" and "getting what you asked for" are two very separate things. trump's family members are whistling down the wind.

Neat, thanks!

xp

the important thing to remember about natalie morales is that she was great in 'the middleman' and that they should bring that show back (tho it won't be the same without the late great mary pat gleason)

what the hell that IS the same Natalie Morales!??

Fox still not rolling back on their Biden count, is that some sort of snub I wonder, Murdoch pissed off at getting angry phone calls? Curious to see what happens when Biden wins his next state.

Stepping back a bit to a point raised way upthread -- there was some speculation that the optics of the Georgia runoffs may put Perdue/Loeffler more on the spot (either way) if there's some actual lame duck action on COVID relief. Perhaps but I'll at least add this interesting point: Kelly, having defeated McSally in Arizona, is due to take office at the end of November thanks to the slight quirks surrounding the seat, which was originally opened up by McCain's death and later Ducey putting McSally in after she lost to Sinema in 2018. That changes the Senate balance to a de facto 52-48, which will stay that way in the new year once Gardner and Jones are swapped out for Hickenlooper and Tuberville. Nothing may happen at all, but given the runoff election date of January 5th, it could make for an interesting few weeks there.