GET OUT: US politics November 2020

2) Running on bold, concrete ideas does not make you unelectable. You have to find a way to sell them. When Trump started his campaign in 2015, most Republicans thought he was a clown. They polled his wall idea and support for it was like...20%. By the end of 2016 it was up to around 90%. If you want to peel off Trump voters, offer them ideas. Don't just tell them why theirs suck. A lot of these people could be talked into universal health care, clean energy, $15 minimum wage, etc. etc. Because these are good policies that help people.

this is true too. this trump shit was 100% theater and tribal affiliation, like some perverted version of being a juggalo

is the lollapalooza fencing still up around the WH?

Nate Silver had a fun take on the fix Fox finds itself in. By declaring Arizona for Biden, and sticking with the call, then they more or less have to call the entire race if Biden gets Nevada. Unless they back down on Arizona, but they haven't done that so far, so ...

there’s a fuckload of rural people who distrust organized anything who arent on social media, who wont talk to cavassers or phonebankers who just vote the way they want to vote — that portion isnt shy, they’re mad & they are very much unaccounted for

Anthony Foxx, Lyft’s chief policy officer and the former secretary of transportation under President Barack Obama:

"We think that Prop 22 has now created a model that can be replicated and can be scaled.”

https://t.co/1UodWS6QUD

— Alyson Metzger (@AlysonMetzger) November 5, 2020

Thanks, Obama?

awful

its like the sort of insanity that surrounds fandom around certain NFL or soccer teams, where people are not impartial and don't even pretend to be. every single pass interference call against you is bullshit. even the really, really blatant ones. turning politics into sports and making them seem inconsequential (which to be fair, to a lot of Trump's straight white male base, it really is) is his one real political "skill", and it's really fucking bad for the country. as someone posted in one of these threads..."if you bungle a pandemic this badly and your approval rating doesn't budge, something is fundamentally wrong with the country"

treeship don't take this the wrong way, but you are a member of the elite tbh

Wow--Georgia is down to a 14,000 vote difference.

Yeah I mean most of us itt are coastal urbanites with professional jobs afaik that’s what’s “elite” to people

some bro from nevada on tv

Another brilliant Trump legal success story (thread)

A hearing is starting now in the Superior Court of Chatham County, Ga., in the Trump campaign's petition seeking an order ensuring absentee ballots that arrive after the state's Election Day deadline aren't counted, stay tuned. Here's the petition: https://t.co/GVhSZ55dOO pic.twitter.com/ETqnk5doAl

— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) November 5, 2020

point that could be used to sell universal health care: care in the usa is $5000 more expensive per capita than anywhere else. for a family of four that's $20,000 that's disappearing into a rathole EVERY YEAR! it will be tough to overcome SOCIALISM!!! and WAITING LISTS!!!, but 20k per year might just do it. if someone actually has the guts to take on the health care industry that is.

A lot of these people could be talked into universal health care, clean energy, $15 minimum wage, etc. etc. Because these are good policies that help people.

Do you think so? I honestly don't. I've heard so much "constitution doesn't guarantee health care," "want a higher wage, get a better job" and "what about the poor coal families" from conservatives that I don't know how many of them could be talked into any of these things.

(I can't tell anymore--maybe that was true of Georgia six or 24 hours ago. Seems closer than what I remember.)

Ridesharing apps are very popular, and I get nothing but hostility when I explain their hostile employee practices.

(I use Lyft often)

Yeah I mean most of us itt are coastal urbanites with professional jobs afaik that’s what’s “elite” to people

― all cats are beautiful (silby), Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:09 AM (thirty-seven seconds ago)

otm -- now can we "circle back" to our plan for converting the suburbs back to farmland? I was thinking we could repurpose the google bus fleet for transporting farm workers to the fields.

Ralston update, given Biden's current 12K lead and today's reporting:

HERE'S WHERE WE ARE:

Washoe only has few thousand provisionals left -- should be a wash.

Few thousand rural votes left -- Biden will lose 2k max there, probably less.

That leaves Clark and tens of thousands of mail and provisionals. Little chance Dems lose there.

SO...

— Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports) November 5, 2020

Clark County Registrar Joe Gloria walking through the numbers of ballots. A total of 63,262 ballots need to be counted:
- 34,743 from Election Day drop off
- 4,208 from USPS on Election Day/yesterday
- 24,311 additional mail ballots that were pending as of Election Day

— Megan Messerly (@meganmesserly) November 5, 2020

Gloria says that his staff has begun counting 51,000 of those ballots and the results of those ballots will be reported from TOMORROW.

— Megan Messerly (@meganmesserly) November 5, 2020

AAAARGH

So basically, unless Georgia changes it up even earlier, it's coming down to whether PA confirms first and everyone agrees or NV confirms first and Fox/AP make the call assuming they continue to stick with Arizona.

damn i fucking hate this show

otm -- now can we "circle back" to our plan for converting the suburbs back to farmland? I was thinking we could repurpose the google bus fleet for transporting farm workers to the fields.

― sarahell, Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:12 AM (two minutes ago)

I have big hopes of robotification for the agricultural workforce, mh to thread to comment on developments in this space

I've heard so much "constitution doesn't guarantee health care," "want a higher wage, get a better job" and "what about the poor coal families" from conservatives that I don't know how many of them could be talked into any of these things.

Depends on how it's framed ... and probably who's framing it.

lol these fox news voter polls pic.twitter.com/NoiNjPiqOH

— John Whitehouse (@existentialfish) November 3, 2020

again. biden’s absolutely getting nevada

i feel bad for this gentleman

although he does seem a bit impatient

deep exhale

Do you think so? I honestly don't. I've heard so much "constitution doesn't guarantee health care," "want a higher wage, get a better job" and "what about the poor coal families" from conservatives that I don't know how many of them could be talked into any of these things.

they say that shit because that's what the idiots on FOX News and PragerU say. I have a friend who was a pretty hardcore conservative - very Republican family, his dad was a prosecutor, all his friends were hardcore righties, etc. etc. I think he even voted for Trump because he felt he had "no choice". he also happened to be a huge fan of Deadspin who as you probably know are pretty left wing and have gone pretty radical since Trump won the GOP nomination. I am pretty sure their writing turned him into a liberal - he was texting me panicking all through election night that Trump was gonna win. so I do think a lot of these people are malleable.

63,000 ballots left to count. will take until saturday or sunday (????)

So Biden and Third Way worked with this group on anti-M4A messaging, they turned around and deployed it against Biden.

DYK: The public option could add as much as $800 billion to the federal deficit in its first 10 years – $100 billion higher than initially estimated. Learn more via @lanheechen’s new study here: https://t.co/5fvaTqa9uJ

— Partnership for America's Health Care Future (@P4AHCF) November 1, 2020

https://prospect.org/power/top-democratic-consultants-working-for-anti-medicare-for-all/

The dark money organization paid almost $185,000 to Anzalone Liszt Grove Research, a polling firm that has been working with former Vice President Biden’s Democratic presidential campaign, the DSCC, and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. The firm recently tested attack lines on Medicare for All for Third Way, a centrist Democratic think tank. PAHCF also paid $140,000 to Blue Engine Message & Media, a firm that was founded by former campaign staffers for President Barack Obama. (Blue Engine is now known as Seven Letter.)

I have big hopes of robotification for the agricultural workforce, mh to thread to comment on developments in this space

― all cats are beautiful (silby), Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:16 AM (forty-one seconds ago)

There is definitely farm labor that can be automated for sure, but there will need to be some humans involved in the process, and those google buses are apparently quite nice, and it would be more sensible to have the farm workforce using mass transit than individual automobiles.

and yeah, frogbs is right. trump made political affiliation central to his supporters' identities and this is really bad for the country.

― treeship., Thursday, November 5, 2020 12:59 PM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I guess, but that perceived affiliation was always there for the opposition (see: tea partier friends of the family needling me relentlessly about voting for Obama)

Folks, if it gets called tomorrow, perfect excuse for a weekend of COVID-safe debauchery. Or not. It's up to you.

A lot of these people could be talked into universal health care, clean energy, $15 minimum wage, etc. etc. Because these are good policies that help people.

This, if only because this is also how progressives and liberals came to accept these policy ideas. Over time they became sold on them. Now they are solidified into inherited doctrine. But these ideas weren't always so accepted as now.

As for the need to sell ideas, it helps to recall that DDT was sold to the public, not as a chemical poison, but as a modern miracle and it was unhesitatingly accepted as making the world a cleaner, safer, less disease-ridden place. A lot of conservative doctrine is snake oil of similar dimensions, but dislodging those ideas, once they are accepted, requires more work than it took to originally put them in place.

I mean this site alone is probably responsible for turning me from center left to full on antifa

Further Ralston. NV is set.

Biden is up by 11.4K right now in NV.

Dems are going to win these mail ballots coming in from Election Day and yesterday -- 63K. And they should win them decisively. That leaves 60K provisionals, which have been evenly split.

I see no path left for Trump here.

— Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports) November 5, 2020

this really isn't that complicated, people's perceptions of candidates are near-entirely based on whether the candidate is Good(tm) or Bad(tm); hence everyone on the right freaking out about the radical socialist policies of Joe Biden. his platform could probably be literally anything and not much would change

xps that warms my cold black anarchist heart, frogs

(or, see also, the relative support for measures like universal health care, raising the minimum wage, etc. when they are not associated with the Bad Person)

its like the sort of insanity that surrounds fandom around certain NFL or soccer teams, where people are not impartial and don't even pretend to be. every single pass interference call against you is bullshit. even the really, really blatant ones. turning politics into sports and making them seem inconsequential (which to be fair, to a lot of Trump's straight white male base, it really is) is his one real political "skill", and it's really fucking bad for the country. as someone posted in one of these threads..."if you bungle a pandemic this badly and your approval rating doesn't budge, something is fundamentally wrong with the country"

― frogbs, Thursday, 5 November 2020 18:06 (nine seconds ago) link

This is exactly it. And when someone calls you out and criticizes your position, you double down and dig in your heels out of pride, loyalty & spite. We've seen this behavior from the right wing as applied to EVERY single specific issue or scandal etc., where when faced with any conflicting fact or counterpoint to their position they just yell it louder and prouder... but now we're surprised that Trump turnout increased?
"But 230k Americans died because of him!"
"bullshit, fuck you, TRUMP 2020"

xp -- how much of the increase in turnout -- across the board, "joe biden had more votes than obama" included -- is simply attributable to vote-by-mail being expanded, rather than candidates doing anything "right" vs. "wrong"? serious question

A Georgia election official said that the state expects to finish counting ballots today. He said that some counties had forgotten "to press the upload button," and that they've been reminded to do so. https://t.co/pGEgku2VvJ pic.twitter.com/ScNSSZUgPL

— The New York Times (@nytimes) November 5, 2020

How’s the man in the White House doing, I do not hear you ask
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmFHV3uWoAENnHS?format=jpg&name=large

how much of the increase in turnout -- across the board, "joe biden had more votes than obama" included -- is simply attributable to vote-by-mail being expanded, rather than candidates doing anything "right" vs. "wrong"? serious question

I'd be willing to attribute at least 25% of it to that. Make it easier to vote, more people will do it.

"COVID-safe debauchery" sounds good to me.

xp re: Twitter screenshots

that's a sweet sight

He said that some counties had forgotten "to press the upload button," and that they've been reminded to do so

when you post on ilx and navigate away from the page before noticing all the xps

He said that some counties had forgotten "to press the upload button," and that they've been reminded to do so.

Stuff like that kills me. It's like when I stand there waiting for an unplugged kettle to boil. It's just...not that big a deal when I do it.

He's gonna get banned from Twitter once out of office huh