GET OUT: US politics November 2020

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calling it how it is

real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:06 (five years ago)

it's it

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:07 (five years ago)

With Nevada releasing additional ballots today, Biden now has a reasonable path to clearing the 270 electoral vote threshold tonight https://t.co/LFIErxoj2T

— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) November 4, 2020

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:07 (five years ago)

Is AZ still in doubt?

frogbs, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:08 (five years ago)

the AP calls the things the rest of us are thinking but too afraid to call

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:08 (five years ago)

Nate Silver just posted this overview:

Here’s where the presidential race stands from most likely Trump win to least likely Trump win:

North Carolina. Trump leads by 1.4 points or about 77,000 votes, but mail ballots can arrive after Election Day in North Carolina, so perhaps 5 percent of the vote is still outstanding. The mail vote should be pretty blue in North Carolina, but is it enough to flip the state? Probably not, according to The Upshot’s needle, which gave Biden about a 15 percent chance in North Carolina before it was frozen. I’d call this one Likely Trump, although 15 percent chances aren’t zero, obviously!

Georgia. Trump leads by 78,000 votes without around 200,000 votes outstanding (there’s some uncertainty over the exact number). That gap seems like a tall order for Biden to close, but the remaining vote is expected to be very blue: mail votes from blue counties plus some Election Day votes from predominantly Black precincts in blue counties. The Upshot’s needle actually had Biden slightly favored to pull it off as of last night. We’ll know more soon. Let’s say Toss-up, but you could force me into Lean Biden if you told me I had to make a pick.

Pennsylvania. As expected, far more uncounted votes here than elsewhere, mostly mail votes that should be quite Democratic-leaning, though. There are too many outstanding ballots for us to be in the endgame where we can game out exact scenarios, but in counties that have completed reporting, Biden looks to be hitting the targets he needs. Even with the Trump campaign filing a number of lawsuits, the margin is tightening quickly enough that I think this belongs in Lean Biden.

Arizona. We may need to do a longer post on Arizona later. What’s left to count is mostly mail votes that were returned late in the process — on Monday or Tuesday. There’s some ambiguity about how many ballots this actually is; Edison Research seems to think around 450,000. If so, Trump would need to win those votes by 21 points to overtake Biden’s current 93,000-vote lead. They’re distributed fairly evenly throughout the state.

Wait — outstanding mail votes? Shouldn’t those be good for Biden, as they are in other states? Well, not necessarily, because Republicans have a fairly strong mail voting program in Arizona and — this is the key part — the mail ballots that were returned later in the process (the ones yet to be counted) were significantly redder than the ones that came in earlier on, as Democrats sent their votes in early. For instance, the party registration breakdown of the votes that came in Monday and Tuesday was: 23 percent Democratic, 44 percent Republican, and 33 percent independent or other parties. That is to say, a 21-point GOP edge, which would put Trump on track to tie things up.

But … here’s the bad news for Trump. Party registration may be a misleading indicator in Arizona. The state has a lot of ancestral Republicans who have now turned into swing voters. Biden also had a big lead among independents in polls. And earlier batches of mail ballots were considerably stronger for Biden than party registration alone would suggest. So probably these ballots are going to come in more for Trump than for Biden, but not as strongly as he needs.

There’s also the fact that two other news organizations, the Associated Press and Fox News, have called the state for Biden. I’d assume they’ve looked into this more than I have, so that shifts my priors a bit, but you never know and you do get incorrect calls occasionally. Overall, I’d say this is Likely Biden, but I don’t think the state should have been called yet.

Nevada. This one’s a bit more straightforward. Biden leads by only 0.6 percent, or about 7,500 votes. But what’s remaining should be pretty good for him. It’s all mail-in ballots that were either received late in the process or that are still coming in — in Nevada, mail ballots can be received by Nov. 10 provided they’re postmarked by Election Day. The mail ballots were quite blue in Nevada by party registration, much more so than in Arizona, including votes that arrived relatively late in the process. Likely Biden.

Wisconsin. No known votes left to be counted. The Trump campaign says it will seek a recount, but recounts rarely change results, and certainly not with something on the magnitude of Biden’s 20,000-vote lead. Biden is the “apparent winner,” per ABC News.

jaymc, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:08 (five years ago)

Georgia sounds good from the linked thread in this tweet:

These mail votes coming in Georgia are 20-30pts better for Biden than a normal county baseline. Gotta see how exactly the Fulton/DeKalb/Chatham/etc numbers look but I see no reason why he can’t do it. https://t.co/7MALAuPcH7

— Conor Sen (@conorsen) November 4, 2020

tl;dr Biden is doing well in areas Trump needs to win the state before the Atlanta votes come in

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:09 (five years ago)

Biden's gonna do his acceptance speech, and Trump will literally go on tv at the same time, you watch

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:10 (five years ago)

when even comedian Steve Hofstetter is running statistical models showing an optimistic GA outcome, it's time to take serious

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:10 (five years ago)

So the senate: basically if you include King and Sanders in the "D" camp, we'd need to win seats in MI, NC, and both runoffs in GA to get a majority, and any three of those to have Harris as tiebreaking vote?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:13 (five years ago)

Did I do that right?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:13 (five years ago)

Question: With Trump out, who inherits Graham? He's a total invertebrate, so does he just become McConnell's property now?

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:14 (five years ago)

he'll share his ladybugs with a member of the Senate committee

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:15 (five years ago)

Do we get to start speculating on who's gonna get Harris' Senate seat yet?

sarahell, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:16 (five years ago)

So I was supposed to go on BBC Newsnight this minute but they just cancelled, and the producer told me in so many words (I think he wasn't supposed to tell me) that they're about to call it for Biden.

— Rick Perlstein (@rickperlstein) November 4, 2020

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:17 (five years ago)

ALERT: We will soon have a decent & normal POTUS in a divided government

We won't be packing the court, making private insurance illegal or banning fracking. Nor will we be building walls, ignoring climate & gutting the ACA

The time for nonsense is over, bipartisanship in back!

— John Delaney (@JohnDelaney) November 4, 2020

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:18 (five years ago)

xp Since when does the BBC call U.S. elections?

jaymc, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:18 (five years ago)

Delaney wouldda won

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:19 (five years ago)

John Delaney can get fucked

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:20 (five years ago)

good mourning!

I vastly preferred Sanders and Warren to Biden, but the results so far don't necessarily scream that either would be doing better than Joe.

― the colour out of space (is the place) (PBKR), Thursday, November 5, 2020 1:25 AM (five hours ago)

tbf a shitty candidate with underwhelming and vaguely-communicated policies being ahead in a weird, close race is no indication at all that a strong candidate with clear, good policies and better campaigning skills would not have done better

The way America improves and “learns something” can only happen by shutting down Facebook. I am serious about this

― frogbs, Thursday, November 5, 2020 1:49 AM (five hours ago)

replace "america" with "civilisation"

Can progressives at least agree "Defund the Police" was a profoundly counterproductive phrase for reforming law enforcement?

― Advanced Doomscroller (Sanpaku), Thursday, November 5, 2020 2:45 AM (four hours ago)

Great point! Biden campaigning actively on "increase police funding" to underwhelming response tells us a lot about the effectiveness of the opposite phrase in a non-electoral context

It's funny how both sides whine about how there isn't enough substantive policy discussion but still tend to cast their votes for whoever's got the most name recognition. Dubya doesn't fit into this mold

Of course he does, he literally had the same name as the previous Republican president

I mainly hope my eventual death isn’t by starvation

― all cats are beautiful (silby), Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:34 AM (twenty-six minutes ago)
let's all get crushed by a tidal wave 2024

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, November 5, 2020 4:02 AM (three hours ago)

Mt Rainier is overdue to pop and bury two cities under lava

already tired of this narrative:

"Amy McGrath and Jaime Harrison raised a combined $199,004,686 and lost to Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham by a combined 35 points."

yes of course this represents a poor allocation of resources but you can hardly blame the average small-dollar Dem donor who isn't hyper-aware of polling for being overly focused on getting rid of arguably the two biggest pieces of shit in the Senate.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, November 5, 2020 4:29 AM (two hours ago)

Also Harrison was worth supporting to maybe hopefully unseat Graham, and McGrath was a shitty candidate running against a much safer incumbent, rolling them together into one set of figures is dumb. It was probably worth it just to see Graham literally crying about how mean the donors were being during the Coney Barrett hearing.

There isn’t really a consistent pattern to it. I do think having the last 4 years completely dominated by coverage of an insane sociopath is doing a number on our country and has led to some unpredictable things.

This remains a big part of everything: dude has kept doing insane sociopathic stuff every day to keep attention on him, and the media as a whole never adapted to reporting it as insane sociopathic attention seeking. Every single day, his shit has been normalised a little more.

@RealKarlMalone™ (✔️) (sic), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:20 (five years ago)

Local news just reported that Gwinnett absentee ballots may not be counted before Sunday due to a "glitch," and have to go through some manner of adjudication starting tomorrow. Georgia gonna be a minute.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:20 (five years ago)

"bipartisanship is back!"

^^^ January thread title

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:20 (five years ago)

If we make it that far.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:21 (five years ago)

Whatever can we get AZ and NV tonight

frogbs, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:21 (five years ago)

Fox has Biden at 264.

There's a non-zero chance that the first American network to announce President-elect Biden....is Fox News

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:24 (five years ago)

They're really stubborn about that AZ call. I love it (and hope it's right).

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:25 (five years ago)

that's even richer than people gambling on election results that could be decided by the state of Nevada.

sarahell, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:25 (five years ago)

Trump lead in Pennsylvania down to four. This is not on track to be especially close in the end. https://t.co/8bdQchP5zB

— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) November 4, 2020

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:25 (five years ago)

Note that the Trump numbers keep going down in PA as more votes are counted...and we're only at 85%. While some counties like Allegheny will probably lean Trump, Montco and Philadelphia are huge Dem strongholds, I agree with Silver in saying I think barring some malarkey, Biden will win PA by a hair.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:26 (five years ago)

AP made it too and even Silver says its likely, just made too early. I am cautiously optimistic

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:26 (five years ago)

Lol, xpost

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:26 (five years ago)

Man i get the ‘bipartisanship is back’ nega-insanity, but can we fucking at least ‘win’ this shit first, soto? lol btw also hugs to ilx.

pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:27 (five years ago)

sic I'm a bernie guy as well but I seriously doubt there is any state on the map that Biden lost or isn't going to win that Bernie would have won. And your arguments on "defund the police" make no sense -- the fact that Biden campaigned on being moderate on law and order AND LIKELY WON is not making a very good case that anti-police sentiment wasn't bad for democrats. He had to distance himself from it to win.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:27 (five years ago)

there's a reason every single trump truck also has a blue line flag on it

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:28 (five years ago)

Also, it's not really looking like Biden is going to just squeak it out, he's going to have a pretty solid EC and PV margin. It's the senate we need to be post-moretming. "Bernie would have done even better" is such a waste of energy argument to make right now.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:29 (five years ago)

*post-morteming

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:30 (five years ago)

At least you aren't making the argument that people saying defund the police should get fucked because they hurt Biden's chances.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:31 (five years ago)

Toasting to Joe Biden tonight. Never liked him that much but unseating Trump is worth commending.

treeship., Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:32 (five years ago)

not counting Doug Jones, who was guaranteed a loss, at least three Senate races come down to things pretty explainable: Susan Collins for the ACB confirmation, John Cornyn for Beto being an overambitious dumbass, Thom Tillis for Cal Cunningham being a horny dumbass

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:33 (five years ago)

it's also a waste of energy to argue that Bernie wouldn't have done better, or if Biden had taken stronger stands on various issues like police reform, universal health care, student debt cancellation, etc.

sarahell, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:33 (five years ago)

sorry I didn't keep up last night (was too afraid to read, just kept checking to see if this thread or Trump's gonna win was on top) ...

... but, we're still paying attention to Nate Silver?

lukas, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:33 (five years ago)

Those things are right for their own sake, not for a strategic reason.

treeship., Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:34 (five years ago)

At least you aren't making the argument that people saying defund the police should get fucked because they hurt Biden's chances.

― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, November 4, 2020 6:31 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

People saying defund the police should advocate for what they believe in. But it's still good to take stock of the popularity or unpopularity of a position, and defund the police remains very unpopular. Even people who support it should be aware of that imo.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:34 (five years ago)

Xp

treeship., Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:34 (five years ago)

while the turnout was a record high, there were still a significant amount of non-voters

sarahell, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:34 (five years ago)

Bernie would have done better with Latino voters outside of southern Florida.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:35 (five years ago)

I just mean that there's no rhetorical value whatsoever to "Bernie would have won more." No one is going to listen to that when they picked a winner. It's not going to convince anyone to move the party a hair left. Whereas "left candidate delivered key votes for democrat in swing state" has some traction.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:36 (five years ago)

Good point

treeship., Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:36 (five years ago)


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