GET OUT: US politics November 2020

yeah i also have been using this thread as my news filter. appreciate everyone who engages closely with this stuff and shares here, because i sure as hell can't handle it.

AP called Michigan for Biden

i feel good. just needs to hold on in nevada.

I’ve been really just kind of sad all day but I CAN’T BELIEVE WE’RE FINALLY GOING TO GET RID OF THIS MOTHERFUCKER

in a way, you know, you've got to hand it to biden. what a freaking fight.

is it sleep you need though?

― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map),

dear god

If all Biden wanted was to win back the upper Midwest and Pennsylvania and spent millions for this purpose, he has succeeded.

yeah. i mean the democrats need to do way better, find something to campaign on for starters, but i'm cautiously impressed with how things are shaking down.

and this for me personally feels so crucial:

I CAN’T BELIEVE WE’RE FINALLY GOING TO GET RID OF THIS MOTHERFUCKER

i can't overstate how damaging it has been to my psyche to have this mf as president

hell, if he flips Georgia and Arizona holds, that's more than I expected.

Not seeing that AP call for Michigan anywhere?

If all Biden wanted was to win back the upper Midwest and Pennsylvania and spent millions for this purpose, he has succeeded.

― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, November 4, 2020 3:50 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah:

I know it's "off brand" for me. But, like, I really don't think Dems "screwed up" the election. Biden ran a campaign specifically targeted a flipping a few white college educate Republicans and some rural voters, while hope Black people and Latinos did all the other things.

— Elie Mystal (@ElieNYC) November 4, 2020

I think it may end up having been the right play for this election. But it doesn't give one hope for the strength of the coalition.

Did the Trump campaign pull back on their spending toward the end of the campaign specifically so they could have enough money left over to be able to litigate results and pay for recounts? Or did he beg one last loan from Deutsche Bank?

I think Nevada said they were going to give some more results tonight, to sate curiosity.

NYT has michigan for biden and they have been slower than AP to turn states red or blue

The Biden campaign has exorcised a demon from 2016 by taking the Upper Midwest / rust belt seriously, to good effect. All his folksy Scrantonite stuff worked (combined with Trump fatigue).

The strong showing in the southwest (NV, AZ, NM) is heartening as well.

I harbored some hope for cracking the south a bit (NC, GA, TX would have been lovely) but that was always - to my mind - gravy.

Reuters and NYT have called Michigan. That’s good enough for me.

NYT has a good chart of news organizations' calls. Looks like AP is the only one that *hasn't* called Michigan, but the rest have: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/upshot/network-race-call-tracker.html

back to thinking about the downballot disaster in the house and state legislatures--how much dem underperformance can be traced back to the biden campaign's completely understandable, even morally righteous decision to not canvas and knock on doors during a pandemic?

the races are closer in the South than they have been, which is good news for the 2024 race against Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka

https://apnews.com/article/ap-explains-arizona-joe-biden-bb16f91b04456b2513f40436248eb62d

"Further evidence that Gen X is the second worst generation" Howard Dean called us morally bankrupt over the weekend and then I got in a twitter argument with him about who voted for him the first time; he insisted it was Millenials.

While none of this is ideal, as far as progress goes, Trump is such a monumental piece of shit - historic, really - that I am glad he appears toast. He'll stick around causing trouble, and perhaps even try to run again (he'll certainly talk that up), maybe in the process gumming up the GOP works. And then in 2024, some GOP dork will possibly get the WH, because they will seem so much more normal than Trump. Or maybe they won't, because no one ever expected Trump to win, and who knows what the next few years have in store. Maybe he'll run as a Democrat. Maybe he'll run from jail every cycle, like LaRouche.

yeah i also have been using this thread as my news filter. appreciate everyone who engages closely with this stuff and shares here, because i sure as hell can't handle it.

Seconded, I saw a Google News to a Newsweek article saying that oddsmakers were shifting to Trump and was ready to panic, but this thread has talked me down.

anyway please enjoy a bunch of 4chan posters being very mad at libertarians

the 4chan cope is stellar right now pic.twitter.com/Q05xvUPVQ8

— em jay (@mothistopheles) November 4, 2020

who knows what the next few years have in store

narrator: it was the same old shit

Meanwhile, Trump's lead in Georgia is down to just 1.4 points with a lot of Democratic vote still out. Will be razor thin here--and it seems on track to end up in recount territory, either way

— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) November 4, 2020

third party voters: saviors of the republic xps

(In contrast, Cohn figures Pennsylvania will be for Biden in the end beyond recount territory.)

Biden could still pull off the historical sweep of every state Steve Miller has been to in Keep On Rockin Me Baby

— Jason Isbell (@JasonIsbell) November 4, 2020

I went from Phoenix, Arizona
All the way to Tacoma
Philadelphia, Atlanta, L.A.
Northern California
Where the girls are warm
So I could be with my sweet baby, yeah

My decision to go to bed and switch off for six hours instead of nailbiter all-nighter combined with really only following results here was a wise one, helped by threads being great.

Donald Trump will be managed out by the GOP grandees, having served his purpose (stacking the courts and radicalising the base through racial butthurt). That’s why they’re letting all the votes get counted and it’s only the Trump family pressing for stops to the count. I think in amongst the stresses of now, we forget about the advantages incumbent presidents including current office holder enjoy, and how unusual it is to boot a President after one term. Biden voters should be a lot happier than they are, and we should acknowledge that it’s not just racism that sends people to Trump, it’s the hatred of women by the beneficiaries of patriarchy (which includes a lot of women).

"Further evidence that Gen X is the second worst generation" Howard Dean called us morally bankrupt over the weekend and then I got in a twitter argument with him about who voted for him the first time; he insisted it was Millenials.

it was like 3 nerds with the Treos

(either delete "the" or replace with "new")

trump is def gonna try some extra-legal shit, which will almost definitely not succeed, but he will continue to be destructive and ridiculously annoying until the electoral votes are officially cast. and then he'll get to work sabotaging the transition.

Was just looking at other close state races in past elections. Didn't realize that Gore won New Mexico by only 366 votes!

This is many many x-posts to many people, but some takes...

- non-white people can definitely be prejudiced against other races. This should not be surprising or strange to anyone who has ever known any non-white people.

- whether with malicious intent or blithe stupidity and self-hatred (and many shades between), all people who voted for Trump are prejudiced, imho.

- that being said, if the Democrats were to actually offer anything besides lip service and empty idpol nonsense to such populations, such as a major jobs platform, schools program, and better access to healthcare, then the prejudice that does exist might be mitigated by such populations seeing actual results in their communities.

- finally, I agree with the sentiments about local politics, and am proud to live in the city in which I was born and raised, despite the fact that it has the shittiest infrastructure and contains levels of grime that makes New Yorkers blush.

if I was to be told this would be the mood in this thread 18 hours ago, I'd have called you all liars.

When McConnell's gangrenous hands fall off, and he can't actually wield a gavel.. what are the Senate rules around this?

"We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes..." lol this stupid dork

Been following, and noted down, the numbers on the Bloomberg site on-and-off for the last ten hours. For PA, the number of counted votes vs Biden's deficit has developed as follows during the day:

5,320	-675
5,600	-518
5,620	-512
5,720	-464
5,830	-404
5,950	-330
5,990	-315
6,010	-309

Now, plotting these x-vs-y gives what looks like quite a stable, linear relationship. IF this were to continue, though NB NB PAST PERFORMANCE IS NO GUARANTEE OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS etc, the deficit would be eroded at about 6,600 votes counted.

just needs to hold on in nevada.

― treeship., Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:48 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but from what i know anecdotally about nevada, etc. etc.

if I was to be told this would be the mood in this thread 18 hours ago, I'd have called you all liars.

I'm always down to clown Howard Dean's 2004 campaign

on cue

We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (which won’t allow legal observers) the State of Georgia, and the State of North Carolina, each one of which has a BIG Trump lead. Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact,.....

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 4, 2020

So, um, good evening!

lol, love when he busts out the "hereby."

Saw this on asktrumpsupporters and thought it reasonable, coming from someone that has supported this lunatic:

If Biden wins legitimately, and this goes to the Supreme Court, I hope they give Trump the finger. I agree with his policies, but I believe in the system.

Donald Trump will be managed out by the GOP grandees, having served his purpose (stacking the courts and radicalising the base through racial butthurt). That’s why they’re letting all the votes get counted and it’s only the Trump family pressing for stops to the count. I think in amongst the stresses of now, we forget about the advantages incumbent presidents including current office holder enjoy, and how unusual it is to boot a President after one term. Biden voters should be a lot happier than they are, and we should acknowledge that it’s not just racism that sends people to Trump, it’s the hatred of women by the beneficiaries of patriarchy (which includes a lot of women).

agree 100% with all of this

what a fuck head

He reads like those natural citizens types

I love that concept. Essentially, "We have claimed, for the purposes of winning, the following states ... all of them."

Free president of the land cannot be bound by count