GET OUT: US politics November 2020

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Even if he locks himself in the fenced-off house on Tuesday to hide from dealing with the fact people hate him, he'll be bored as shit by the end of the week - after a month of adoring rallies! - let alone in three months' time when his term ends. He'd rather flounce off saying he needs to return to his business and the White House is a dump than actually concentrate long enough to foment a civil war.

edited for dog profanity (sic), Monday, 2 November 2020 05:03 (three years ago) link

oh - wait - is Mexico paying for this fence?

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 2 November 2020 05:06 (three years ago) link

Leave him there and get on with the business of government from literally any other building in DC. I hear there's a hotel with the name of a prominent tax avoider above the door, right across the street. Requisition that and move on.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Monday, 2 November 2020 05:08 (three years ago) link

though I do think about how elections are different than other random events

an election is not a random event in any way

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 2 November 2020 05:58 (three years ago) link

Haha he stranded people again. The third time this week. Pathetic on so many levels, not the least of which is the people still falling for it.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 November 2020 06:49 (three years ago) link

It seems to me that concepts like "random" and "error" are used in different ways in different contexts without much qualification, leading to a bit of confusion.

A thought experiment / toy example: You have a big sack filled with 10,000 balls; for the sake of argument, let exactly half of them be blue and half of them red. You then repeatedly -- say, once a day -- run "polls" in this "electorate", by shaking the bag thoroughly and picking out 100 balls without looking, and then counting the blue-vs-red proportion of the drawn balls. Now, over time, the results will in all probability fluctuate around a 50/50 proportion, even if a given single poll may be quite a bit off. However, there is a chance that, by pure luck, a large majority of the polls show a blue majority, and that the results seem to fluctuate around, say, 57/43 over the horizon you run your polls. The probability of this happening gets smaller the larger the number of polls, but such random effects can seem surprisingly persistent (because the human mind is bad at probabilistic intuition, and the apparently endless number of actual polls is not statistically a large one).

So, even granted that an election is not a random event (some might like to dispute this, though), the poll results we have seen are to an extent random outcomes, and saying that the future election result has a random component is just a kind of shorthand for saying that given our observations, the future result has an amount of uncertainty. (This usage is a legit disagreement in statistics: roughly, frequentists balk at calling anything but "actually" random events random, while Bayesians happily model subjective uncertainty by probabilistic maths.)

As for "errors": If you had inadvertently made your 5,000 red balls slightly heavier than the blue ones, so they tended to move towards the bottom of the sack with shaking, you might end up with a consistent 57/43 Blue result for a different reason. This would be the equivalent of e.g. poor demographical weighting. This is a very different effect than the random polling effects described above, but it seems both are sometimes referred to as "polling error".

anatol_merklich, Monday, 2 November 2020 09:11 (three years ago) link

The big boy told his Florida crowd at a rally yesterday that he'd fire Fauci if he wins on Tuesday,

edited for dog profanity (sic), Monday, 2 November 2020 09:50 (three years ago) link

I hear there's a hotel with the name of a prominent tax avoider above the door, right across the street. Requisition that and move on.

No need, as it already belongs to GSA. And the tenant has been requesting a break on the rent.

So it's more likean eviction than a requisition.

Kabob Dylan (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 2 November 2020 10:37 (three years ago) link

Pretty clear with this third instance of the same problem that they’re deliberately leaving their supporters out in the cold to save money https://t.co/ReVxOJNwBO

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) November 2, 2020

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 2 November 2020 11:01 (three years ago) link

Thanks, anatol. The vagueness of the word random had always bothered me and I’m a bit clearer now. Haven’t decided if I’m a Bayesian or a frequentist.

Alba, Monday, 2 November 2020 12:23 (three years ago) link

these next couple days, or possibly much more, are gonna be real rough going

Doctor Casino, Monday, 2 November 2020 12:54 (three years ago) link

And marvelous.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 November 2020 12:59 (three years ago) link

Alfred I've seen some perverse posts in my time but wow

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 2 November 2020 13:02 (three years ago) link

optimism is serious kink

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 November 2020 13:19 (three years ago) link

Alfred, tell me you'll be on the political threads on Tuesday night with a drink (or two) in hand.

the colour out of space (is the place) (PBKR), Monday, 2 November 2020 13:21 (three years ago) link

You can count on it, PBKR.

Friends, I've entered a Zen state. I'm past the anxiety. I'm text banked, gone to rallies, done my part.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 November 2020 13:25 (three years ago) link

Aww, yeah!

the colour out of space (is the place) (PBKR), Monday, 2 November 2020 13:28 (three years ago) link

New @CookPolitical: our FINAL House outlook is a Dem net gain of 10-15 seats, with anything from 5-20 seats well within the range of possibility. View our final ratings: https://t.co/wcfAZ8REga

Solid/Likely/Lean D: 229
Solid/Likely/Lean R: 179
Toss Up: 27 pic.twitter.com/WcdnWJLG16

— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) November 2, 2020

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 November 2020 14:11 (three years ago) link

Meantime....

One state I am a bit curious about is Texas. Our forecast has been pretty skeptical about Biden's chances there, expecting Trump to close well. But instead Biden got a decent run of polls there this weekend and it now it has him within ~1 point. https://t.co/486ZZ385cV pic.twitter.com/efAeDAaXaX

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) November 2, 2020

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 November 2020 14:11 (three years ago) link

i'm with Alfred on paper, and have really done okay at not spiralling into anxious news- and poll-following as i might well have done (given my track record). all signs point to a solid Biden win, maybe a blowout, but the memory of 2016 is in my body, my shoulder muscles, my stomach --- my brain is not driving the car right now. i just have to pass the time and get through these days. substances will likely be involved, tho i regret to say aperol has never quite landed with me.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 2 November 2020 14:18 (three years ago) link

Good morning!

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 November 2020 14:22 (three years ago) link

I'm past Aperol, honey. I've got Fernet, Ramazzoti, Averna, Lucano, you name it.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 November 2020 14:23 (three years ago) link

Biden has passed the "clearly favored" 90% mark in FiveThirtyEight's forecast

real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Monday, 2 November 2020 14:24 (three years ago) link

Alfred do you know Sfumato? It's rhubarb-based and hence politically apt.

I only have time for barbs.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 November 2020 14:29 (three years ago) link

Tipsy, have you had Zucca? Just wondering how they compare.

scampo-phenique (WmC), Monday, 2 November 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link

GUYS, you’ll never believe what NYT did today on front page—it sent reporter to a deeply red state to interview white, middle aged men abt how much they love Trump! https://t.co/2ou7wyoZwu

— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) November 2, 2020

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 2 November 2020 14:35 (three years ago) link

That headline...it's an Onion thing, right?

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 November 2020 14:36 (three years ago) link

Was a diner involved?

Kabob Dylan (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 2 November 2020 14:36 (three years ago) link

i'm trying to get through training class knowing I care little about it, esp tomorrow.

someone give me a non-sequitur (work-appropriate) phrase to insert at some point of the training.

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 November 2020 14:37 (three years ago) link

jesus i was going to make a joke about antifa burning his tractor and then i got to this:

"For his part, Mr. Rempel refuses to speculate about a motive, but here in Henderson, a certain fear is being whispered: The fire-starters are aligned with antifa, coming from the cities to attack their way of life."

beyond fucking parody

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 2 November 2020 14:52 (three years ago) link

amari xposts

WmC I have not, but Imbibe says Zucca is a bit sweeter. Sfumato more or less tastes like wet dirt, in a good way.

I am going to work an anecdote about a Mr Rempel into my class today, thanking u

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 November 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link

xposts re: NYTimes

NPR also this morning, as I was making breakfast for kids, seemed to be spotlighting Trump voters telling their stories of why they're voting for him.

Sudden relapses of both-sidesism as the stress levels rise and our legacy media can't handle the pressure

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 2 November 2020 14:56 (three years ago) link

both-sidesisms might even be due to pressure from Editors wanting to retain a broader base of readers.

in other words, the typical chickenshit bullshit in the industry. hey editors, they don't love u hoes, you're fake news.

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 November 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link

antifa hates the tractormen for their freedoms

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 2 November 2020 14:59 (three years ago) link

Antifa burned my tractor/
because I doxxed a crisis actor

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 2 November 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link

xps ty!

scampo-phenique (WmC), Monday, 2 November 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link

bg's post for new board description

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 November 2020 15:01 (three years ago) link

Trumpers in mistaking their voracious coprophagia for a universal trait shocker.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Monday, 2 November 2020 15:02 (three years ago) link

No, you cracker POS, this is quality attributable only to you and yours because your brains are fucking broken.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Monday, 2 November 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link

Meanwhile in the Land of Schadenfreude:

From @WSJopinion: It was a serious failure for me, as a public figure, to go maskless at the White House, writes @GovChristie. I paid for it, and I hope Americans can learn from my experience.

— The Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) October 22, 2020

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 November 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link

Early vote total now 95 million, fully over double the entire 2016 early vote total. The last possible milestone of 100 million by tomorrow morning is in reach.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 November 2020 15:10 (three years ago) link

but it's like george washington used to say: "if you can't beat em cheat em"

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 2 November 2020 15:15 (three years ago) link

I'm past Aperol, honey. I've got Fernet, Ramazzoti, Averna, Lucano, you name it.

Barf. In anything more than small doses in cocktails, amaros (and the herbal like) can go jump in a lake. I think tomorrow night feels like a beer (or wine) night to me. Easier to drink more, a pint/wine glass lasts longer than a coupe, no preparation necessary, and if things go well I can toast later with the good bourbon.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 November 2020 15:17 (three years ago) link

there is no way I'm going to spend the day after Election Day hungover

real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Monday, 2 November 2020 15:19 (three years ago) link

I think tomorrow night feels like a beer (or wine) night to me. Easier to drink more, a pint/wine glass lasts longer than a coupe, no preparation necessary, and if things go well I can toast later with the good bourbon.

Don't misjudge me. More than Negroni grosses me out. A bracing way, though, to prepare for wine.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 November 2020 15:20 (three years ago) link

*more than one Negroni

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 November 2020 15:20 (three years ago) link

Amaro Nonino on ice with a slice of orange is very easy drinking!

thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Monday, 2 November 2020 15:20 (three years ago) link

Four Roses.

Spent last post-Election Day hungover at work, and I'm still feeling it. That's why I took Nov. 4 off.

pplains, Monday, 2 November 2020 15:21 (three years ago) link


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