ForenSix Opposition - Politics in the Soon To Be Former UK in Autumn 2020

The writing itself of this nothing story was v bad

www politics dot co dot uk is an outlet that big dunty also writes for betimes

settiing the bad opinions and analysis aside dunty's essays are also generally badly written and organised (i dirst wrote "always" and then thought i have not read all of them and very much do not intend to)

i conclude this outlet has no competent sub editors and once again grind my teeth in under-empoyed frustration

Bitter lol at me reading the EHRC report & there being repeated recommendations for training when someone does something antisemitic, which was roundly mocked whenever Corbyn and the party suggested it.

it seems to bear out the 2016-18 period was a shitshow but obviously omits the internal ratfucking that led to this. fair enough for the report not to mention this as its not really relevant who or why is responsible, its the party as a whole that is under investigation, this combined with the party settling with the panorama accusers, means this framing is vaguely discredited will be conveniently lost in the analysis over the coming weeks. seems like the usual, nothing there that anybody didn't know already and will ultimately be little more than a rorschach that allows you to go along with whatever framing you want (guardian: starmer can now draw a line under this terrible period. theJC: this is not the end but the beginning etc).

I’m on page 35 and choked reading “before 2018 there was no reliable system for recording antisemitism complaints”. Everyone was saying that!

It’s a fairly dry read because it’s about procedural issues and the scope is very limited.

i'm just jumping all over the place but ctrl + f returns nothing for some key people you might expect

it feels perfectly designed to allow everybody to say exactly what they already said but more vociferously

might easily have missed it but there's similar accounting, as in the chakrabarti report, of comparable levels of antisemitism in the wider party or accounting for whether or not instances rose or declined under corbyn. In fact it seems to accept chakrabarti's findings but faults the party for not taking up her recommendations quickly enough or fully enough.

it still allows the guardian to now refer to the corbyn years as an ugly stain on the history of the labour party and publish unverifiable claims about 'earlier drafts'

xp wasn’t that Formby’s criticism of the previous chair

whoops, earlier post miswrote, meant to say there's NO contextualising comparisons of levels of AS in the party compared to general population in this report (unlike iirc?) the chakrabarti report and (iirc other studies) that found generally lower levels of AS attitudes and declining levels under corbyn

sorry do any of my posts make any sense ugh

there will be calls to punish those responsible but there is an implicit suggestion that labour has just paid out tons of money to party officials (unnamed in the report) who contributed quite a bit to the procedural failings outlined

If reporting on this was accurate then yeah, that might be a question asked!

oh cool, i see we're onto the 'should jeremy corbyn be booted out of labour' part of the discourse now

anyway i assume the reaction from the conservative party to the ehrc report into tory islamophobia is every bit as self-flagellating when it's eventually published

hold on, i'm getting some news in my ear here... FUCK

I'm reminded of this quote from joann wypijewski: " On terrorism, anyone may decry monstrosity in the most sweeping terms; appeals to complexity must first acknowledge terrorism is awful." except that its not about 'appeals to complexity' here but simply speaking in good faith. To speak or act in good faith, one acknowledges the truth of AS existing within the party and is thus on the back foot in a sea of bad faith.

An awful lot of undisguised glee out there which seems...inappropriate to say the least.

The Guardian twice referring to Luciana Berger as Lucian is the cherry on the cake.

God, today is ugly

The greatest political assassination of our times and just because we were scared of a little progressive equality

yeah, i did have a bitter lol at the 'lucian' thing

Well well well. I seem to recall this being dismissed as a wicked smear when it was documented in the leaked report. pic.twitter.com/XlDtBTi8AJ

— Howl Upsetting (@HowUpsetting) October 29, 2020

The greatest political assassination of our times and just because we were scared of a little progressive equality

ahh corbyn dicknose in the guardian article :(

I think he's outside (on his home pathway?) there tbfttl

I'd resolved to stay off the internet today (and Twitter in particular) on the basis that it was going to near unbearable, with people seizing on it primarily as a way of either condemning or exonerating Corbyn - and because I haven't read the report properly yet so I don't want to comment on the specifics of it, but some general principles I'd strongly hold to would be:

- That the institution needs to be judged as an institution, not individuals or factions within it, breaking it down to that level is just further evidence of a dysfunctional institution. This should be the case whether it's a political party, a media organisation, an investment bank, a church, a police force, anything.
- That an institution itself is almost uniquely badly placed to determine whether it, the institution, is institutionally racist or otherwise discriminatory.
- That preserving the reputation of the institution or individuals within it is not more important than addressing the problem.
- That the leadership of an institution is fundamentally accountable for whatever goes wrong in this regard on its watch, even if the individual leaders had nothing to do with the actions themselves.
- That all racial or religious or minority groups should be treated equally within that institution, including the way in which allegations of discrimination are treated.
- That institutions should be held to similarly high standards and that society in general should not pick and choose when those standards should be applied according to expediency.

That's it for now.
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(It would be nice if we lived in that world, but transparently we don't)

Matt in calling for a new world (in brackets) shockah!

great post Matt

The Campaign Against Antisemitism has submitted complaints about Corbyn, Abbott, Long-Bailey, Tahir Ali, Mike Amesbury, Apsana Begum, Richard Burgon, Barry Gardiner, Kate Hollern, Afzal Khan, Angela Rayner, Steve Reed, Lloyd Russell-Moyle, Barry Sheerman, Zarah Sultana & others.

— Sienna Rodgers (@siennamarla) October 29, 2020

ok day off Twitter it is

Whip removed from Corbyn. You might want to take a month off Twitter at least.

Cool

fuck sake

if i didn't know better i'd say that sir kieth has been waiting to use the publication of the report as an excuse to further a campaign against the left of the labour party

Temporarily 'pending investigation' says Lewis Goodall. We'll see.

here we go lads. new party, my desk, tomorrow morning

In before the EHRC:

barely arms length state bodies, government and the courts can't be the arbiters of anti-racism. Such powers, in such a society as this, reproduce or reflect the racial order.

— michael (@Sisyphusa) October 29, 2020

I hope the melt cunt drives his SUV into sinkhole to hell

Pretty bad email from Starmer

We will only consider it a success when those members who left our Party because of antisemitism feel safe to return and when we no longer see the words "Labour" and "antisemitism" in the same sentence.

Good luck with that party u speak of

Corbyn should've been removing the whip from his opponents post-2017 at the least. But anyway..

That legal fund of his probably filling up as we speak (I didn’t donate but tons of people have).

xp accelerationist view validated

you're telling me kieth has buckled at the slightest sign of pressure ? well knock me over with a feather

That is not an accelerationism view lol

This isn't anti-racism.

This is manipulating Jewish pain and fear to fight factional battles.

We deserve so much better than this. https://t.co/SeNS2OcKQS

— jewdⒶs // ייִדהודה (@jewdas) October 29, 2020

xp it is if you view it as part of a wider left split