"Will you shut up, man?" US Politics October 2020

We have so many different programs

Biden should respond by pointing out how powerless and cucked Mike Pence is

Dogwhistle like a foghorn doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny when you break it down.

god, how i wish biden would simply say:

we have the lowest emissions of 35 years, this year, because of covid-19's impact on the economy.

sic, i'm with you - he fucking blows on climate change

i expect to be enraged with him over the next 4 years, just sayin

This wasn’t done by smart people, this wasn’t done by — anybody!

Well even though I’m not really watching I’m getting good updates from the NYTimes:

Patti Cohen, National Economics Correspondent

This is a substantive, civil debate – and that could help Trump in that his erratic and divisive style has turned off some voters.

how does biden get wrong a line that has been everywhere

"I know more about hot air than you do."

oh yes, wind is too expensive

looooooooool what a doof

"Wind kills all the birds"!

I still don't understand, at all, what the rationale is behind news anchors and organisations giving someone uninterrupted time to lie.

https://i.imgur.com/5rWUgrO.jpg

trump declares that biden will destroy the oil industry.

"will you remember that, texas, will you remember that, oklahoma?"

looool

this is pathetic

Well.. it wasn't quite the shitshow everyone was hoping for.

With Texas on the edge, Biden saying basically “yeah, we wanna take you out” was a HUGE gaffe.

Ugh. I feel like Trump goaded Biden into telling the truth -- that, in the long run, we are going to have to transition to primarily renewable energy production -- and that truth is going to help Trump more than any of the immensely stupid falsehoods Trump uttered tonight is going to help Biden.

i didn't even catch whatever you're talking about

i have been drinking tho

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Biden had already said that renewable jobs are $50 an hour jobs; it was a big fuckup not to reiterate that after the Houston attack from Trump.

Biden should be better at this than he is. Nearly every time Trump pivoted, Joe ran after the pivot point to rebut, like a cat after earbuds. Pretty poor performance, really.

True, especially since there have been huge layoffs in the oil biz very recently

xp

The good news is almost no one made it to the end of the debate.

Funniest part of this debate was when Biden said to Trump "I don't where you come from," and Trump responded under his breath "Queens."

*don't know

nothing about this performance is going to help or hurt anybody. the cake is baked, people know who they're voting for at this point.

basically the fact that Biden didn't get trounced in any of the two debates, and that Trump had negative takeaways from his first debate and his townhall = the outcome we wanted.

now to avoid any October surprises for a week and a half.

now let's hurry up and get him in office, and then before long we'll be on Biden's ass, like we should be

Can't see that anything big will come out of that. I worry a tiny bit that the bar is so low for Trump at this point--especially after the past two or three weeks--that just being coherent and sort of normal (independent of the truth of whatever he says), being combative but not crazy and interrupting, then that's enough. Biden was fine--he got tangled up a lot (I think he said "prevailing wages" at one point), but was always able to right himself within a few seconds and make his point.

This seemed shorter than usual.

Prediction: trump numbers up very marginally after tonight, doesn’t alter the outcome BUT Dems will not take Texas (which was a long shot anyhow, but what a sweeeet longshot to shoot for)

biden mostly fucked this up and trump, despite everything he said being bullshit, horrifying, or both, mostly did not, so this does worry me

yeah, first reaction is this won't change anything, which is very bad for trump

no way will Trump's numbers edge upwards. third debates (ok, 'second' debate in this case) rarely generate any prolonged bounce.

if Trump gets a bounce, it'll be based on voter trends from within the last week unrelated to the debate, or something that happens between now and then that we don't know about yet.

Texas is a bit of a reach, but if Biden doesn't win it, it has little to do with tonight IMO

totally get the fears about trump winning, still, for real

it terrifies me too. i remember feeling this strongly in late oct 2016 (yeah but trump? fuckin come on)

i also am probably alone (here) in thinking that biden did fine tonight

Karl otm. Main takeaway: nothing changes as a result of this. And given that tens of millions of people have already decided.

Biden needed to not fuck up very badly and that happened.

Trump needed to change the game and that didn't happen.

Trump rebounded at this point in 2016 as reluctant Republicans that couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump started 'coming home' and being convinced to do it for sake of party, which began reflecting in the polls and narrowing Hillary's lead. this year, the Republicans are already firmly in his camp, they're not the problem, so the demographics he has to make up ground with aren't so easily malleable.

I am pretty convinced the legitimate results will be Biden trouncing Trump, I remain worried of course about GOP state governments, Trump, and other cronies interfering with the democratic process, as well as voter disenfranchisement. so in other words I am 90% sure Biden will 'win', I'm less confident that this will result in him "being President".

i'm still freaked due to my last point and I had to go back to taking sleep aids again to sleep last night asa result tho

Biden's in a tricky spot with all the "you had eight years" hectoring. He can't really say "I was vice-president, now I'm running for president" without undercutting both Obama and his own influence as VP. I'm sure he's loath to do the former, both tactically and as just the decent thing to do.

should be noted that numbers have improved for Trump in recent weeks, but I really chalk that more up to just how far Trump fell in the polls after his disastrous news cycle just under a month ago with his tax returns, getting COVID and lying about it, his awful first debate. double digit federal deficit, and significant deficits in many battleground states, he had very little direction to go but up

He also couldn't spend all his time responding to baseless accusations

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Trump very slightly better than Biden I thought - which is a horrible indictment of Biden.

I think Biden did fine. Glad he brought up "we had a Republican Congress" but I wished he hammered that more. Poor guy still believes in bipartisanship I guess.

Trump did better than he did last time but yeah that's an incredibly low bar. Still had a hard time following anything he was saying, not sure how any hypothetical undecided voter was gonna be won over by him at this point

he figured out at the end of the debate that the answer was "we had a Republican Congress," unfortunately that was after being prompted about 20 times

Biden's in a tricky spot with all the "you had eight years" hectoring.

No, he's not. As even Chuck Todd admitted, Trump spent the entire debate talking directly to Sean Hannity's audience. Nothing he said had any meaning for anyone else. All y'all motherfuckers need to put on some dry pants and go to bed.

Nothing will change.

Oh my god. My cousin was an usher at the debate tonight. He just texted me and said he was called backstage to help peel off Mr. Trump’s diaper. Apparently it really caked onto his cheeks. The diarrhea hardened throughout the evening and the pampers cemented to his skin. Ouch!

— Vic Berger IV (@VicBergerIV) October 23, 2020

Good night.

I was more upset that Biden and Trump regard black men as carceral state commodities -- have we jailed more or less of them, have we granted them more or less clemency.

always good to learn that wind turbine power is not just killing birds, it's also "releasing toxic fumes"!