Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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There have been several instances of Moyes "losing it" in recent weeks - he's becoming as delusional as Houllier at his worst. First the Beattie butt, then the Anfield injury-time (he had a point, but...), now this... All the while talking us up and saying what a great season we've had after 1-0 home defeats by Charlton and Blackburn.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 4 April 2005 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

dream relegations:

palace
Portsmouth (becoming more and more of a delicious possibility)
Fulham

hmmm, hopefully two of those will happen, but Norwich have obviously scuppered me getting all three

― ceebee, Monday, 4 April 2005 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

> some godawful bar in Hammersmith

can you narrow this down? i might pop along and schmooze.

― koogs (koogs), Monday, 4 April 2005 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

my guess: Bar 38

― Sven Basted (blueski), Monday, 4 April 2005 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I know the answer, but I'm not telling in case it's a secret.

But yes.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not really an open event, Koogy. In fact, it's now sounding very official, very ungetoutableof and very forgetleavingatseven. My open distaste for this kind of thing has probably put the kibosh on any senior managerial aspirations I may have had. Everyone else is like, "Free drinks! How can you not love that?!"

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

> It's not really an open event

then i might pop along and pull faces through the window...

football will almost certainly be on the projector in The Salutation about 5 minutes down King Street if you do manage to escape. and if history is anything to go by i will be (held captive) there for the first half. (brummy houseguest, food etc)

― koogs (koogs), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

You will probably enjoy it, Mike. I found I had a natural flair for it when I had to sit next to the head of Baby Einstein and the head of some crane company, sorry, platform company. And I'm much more of a miserable cunt than you are.

Plus the entire Girls' Dept will get tiddly!

I would vote for you to be senior management as long as you still get your tea round in.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

See the comments by Phil Neal in the Observer Sport Monthly in their retrospective on Heysel?

"Phil Neal
Then: Liverpool captain, 34
Now: Merseyside Radio commentator

PN: I'd rather forget that night. It was an ordeal. But,
Jamie, why should I help you out? I'm helping you pay your
mortgage [by talking to you about Heysel]. When people ask me
for my view, they usually have to pay for it. You're asking
for my help for nothing. To pay your mortgage, Jamie. I mean,
what do you want from me?

OSM: I just thought that as the captain of Liverpool football
club on that night at Heysel it would be good to hear your
view?

PN: Yes but what do you want from me? If I talk to you for a
few minutes, then I'm helping you pay your mortgage and what
am I getting in return? Do you know what I mean?

OSM: Well, I have been to Italy and talked with some of the
families of the victims and they say that the trophy should
be given back by Juventus to commemorate what happened.

PN: About Juventus? Why are you asking me? Why are you asking
someone on the Liverpool side? Juventus made amends very
soon. Ask them ... Jamie I'm helping you pay your mortgage.
People who want my views pay.

OSM: I'm sorry, but everyone else I have spoken to has ...

PN: Great. So you've spoken to people, you've got your views.
You've got your Liverpool view, but if you want mine for free, well people pay for them.

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 06:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I read that on sunday, the man is crazy.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 06:41 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lgsp0218.jpg

MAGNIFICENT!

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 08:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't see the picture, Jerry, but I can only infer from your comment that it's Grobbelaar putting through his own goal in the 1984 Charity Shield.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 08:34 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/ar/2002/sgrapes.jpg

Can you see this one, Michael?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Mmm, tasty! It's practically all I eat these days.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Pernfors88/Arteta-Musampa.jpg

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 10 April 2005 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Can i coin the term Vaughnaldo or is it too late already?

― A / F#m / Bm / D (Lynskey), Sunday, 10 April 2005 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I enjoyed the highlights of Everton's game last night.

I did not know our friend with the dreadlocks had played for Atletico Madrid.

I did not know our friend without the dreadlocks was a product of FC Barcelona.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 11 April 2005 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

And now Gerrard is out of the Juventus game. :/

PESSIMISM OF THE INTELLECT, POPTIMISM OF THE WILL.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 11 April 2005 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

But this is how Jellybean likes it - backs to the wall, superhuman effort required, etc. It's the run-of-the-mill Saturday 3pm'ers vs mediocrity that he/they can't hack.

The notion that Vaughan is the new Rooney is laughable but he may be the new...Owen. Much more keen on Arteta being Gravesen without the menaces. Stubbs possibly out for the season - so it's the earthy Weir and the mercurial Yobo in a Venusian central defence. It's so crazy it could work. Four points is nothing, mind.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 11 April 2005 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Does anyone fancy watching LFC v Juve in town tomorrow night? Possibly upstairs at the Sun on Long Acre? http://www.fancyapint.com/main_site/thepubs/pub677.htm

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(I think Rafa has misplaced my mobile number, btw, and has had to gamble on taking Cissé with him.)

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm afraid I shall be on dandling duty.

Having watched Comedy Connections last night, I'm worried Ronnie Corbett might come up on the dumb waiter in The Sun.

Besides, you only want to go there so you can kick that Chelsea bloke's head in.

The person who should really go is CABBAGE.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

i may well do JtN, also we can discuss THE PROJECT

― $V£N! (blueski), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

SWEET.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Chris is not feeling optimistic, so may prefer to watch at home, but I will probably still be in town and might pop in.

― Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Hooray! Even though I won't be there.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

1978
Wales win the Grand Slam in Rugby
The Pope Dies
Liverpool lose in the League Cup final to the eventual League Champions that year (Forest)
Gary Player wins his ninth major by winning the US Masters
Liverpool win the European Cup

2005
Wales win the Grand Slam in Rugby
The Pope Dies
Liverpool lose in the League Cup final to the eventual League Champions that year (Chelsea)
Tiger Woods wins his ninth major by winning the US Masters
Champions League ????

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave B is http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38452000/jpg/_38452525_loughran150.jpg

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I might be up for this, but I may well feel too depressed and go home instead - I've been in lousy shape recently. I'll try to post tomorrow to let you know, not that it much matters of course.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

good work boyler, I may well be in attendance, it's a shame pj won't be there though

― chris/porkpie/cabbage, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't claim credit. It was from another msgboard.

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Where they've added:

Prince Charles got married
Ken and Deirdre got married
A new Doctor Who was appointed
Norwich and Crystal Palace were relegated from D1
Liverpool won the European Cup

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

That was 1981.

― The Horse of Babylon's Butler (the pirate king), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

1983:

A general election.
Steve Winwood's "Valerie" had been a hit only a year earlier.
A man from Bolton is very popular (Tony Knowles).
Scott Walker has reputedly finished a new LP.
Liverpool go out of the European Cup in the quarterfinals.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 08:19 (twenty-one years ago)

1983:

Brighton relegated
Tories win election

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 08:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, and Liverpool aren't playing Widzew Lodz. OR ARE THEY?

(JtN: I may text you later if I'm up for watching this in town - depends how late I work...)

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)

As someone in our office has said, "The Pope must've been shitting himself watching the Six Nations."

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 08:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I will be along tonight - what time will people get there? I'm thinking 6.30-7.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah I will try and get there earlyish myself to grab a table - probably some time around 6ish.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm really nervous about tonight - not just the game (though obviously going to the Delle Alpi without Gerrard is worrisome enough) but in light of apparent threats by Juve fans and last night's trouble in Milan. There's going to be trouble. I'm almost sure of it.

― Crackity (Crackity Jones), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)

my useless prediction? 3-1 to Juve but I really hope Liverpool win

― $V£N! (blueski), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 10:03 (twenty-one years ago)

If trouble kicks off and it's still 0-0, will LFC get handed the tie, like Milan did last night?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I expect Everton will just get banned from Europe. (I'm joking! I'm only pretending to play the Bitter Blue!)

The usual thing if a team or its fans muck about to the extent that a game can't be played to its conclusion is to award the match by the score of 3-0 to the innocent party. I expect this to be the outcome of the Inter-AC debacle. I dunno what would happen if a side aiming to recover a 1-5 first leg deficit went 2-0 up with 20min left and then the opposition all trooped off the pitch in some spurious protest.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

they want their bloody heads banging together.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

With full Optimism of the Will, I am going to predict a 1-1... with IGOR scoring a header.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I'm worried about non-football aspects of this too. I don't really fancy Liverpool's chances too much - haven't Juve had four 1-0 home wins in this competition this season already? Another seems reasonably probable, I think.

One of my colleagues here, who glories in the name of M@x 0rlando, is Italian and a Juve supporter. I think I'll resist asking him to join me.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate to think what the Ultras might do if Liverpool score (not that they need an on-field trigger). Best for all* concerned if Juventus quietly and efficiently win 2-0 in a game with no bookings.

(* - in a loose sense)

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I think they should have a Charlie Rich match.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

JtN I trust all this palaver means you'd prefer a new title for THE PROJECT (not that I was keen on using that title for it anyway).

― $V£N! (blueski), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

PJ, they should try to decide who is the most beautiful girl in the world?

(actually I was listening to Behind Closed Doors just a couple of hours ago, as it happens)

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

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