"Will you shut up, man?" US Politics October 2020

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Needs more demon sperm imo.

they see me lollin' (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 19 October 2020 14:28 (five years ago)

Any kind soul c&p that WaPo article, if it's not too lengthy?

Maresn3st, Monday, 19 October 2020 14:45 (five years ago)

It's very very long. But here's a core nugget:

Discord on the coronavirus task force has worsened since the arrival in late summer of Atlas, whom colleagues said they regard as ill-informed, manipulative and at times dishonest. As the White House coronavirus response coordinator, Deborah Birx is tasked with collecting and analyzing infection data and compiling charts detailing upticks and other trends. But Atlas routinely has challenged Birx’s analysis and those of other doctors, including Anthony S. Fauci, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield, and Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn, with what the other doctors considered junk science, according to three senior administration officials.

Birx recently confronted the office of Vice President Pence, who chairs the task force, about the acrimony, according to two people familiar with the meeting. Birx, whose profile and influence has eroded considerably since Atlas’s arrival, told Pence’s office that she does not trust Atlas, does not believe he is giving Trump sound advice and wants him removed from the task force, the two people said.

In one recent encounter, Pence did not take sides between Atlas and Birx, but rather told them to bring data bolstering their perspectives to the task force and to work out their disagreements themselves, according to two senior administration officials.
The result has been a U.S. response increasingly plagued by distrust, infighting and lethargy, just as experts predict coronavirus cases could surge this winter and deaths could reach 400,000 by year’s end.
This assessment is based on interviews with 41 administration officials, advisers to the president, public health leaders and other people with knowledge of internal government deliberations, some of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to provide candid assessments or confidential information.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 October 2020 14:56 (five years ago)

The result has been a U.S. response increasingly plagued ...

It's not just the response that's been plagued!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 October 2020 14:58 (five years ago)

It is quite lengthy, but here you go:

As summer faded into autumn and the novel coronavirus continued to ravage the nation unabated, Scott Atlas, a neuroradiologist whose commentary on Fox News led President Trump to recruit him to the White House, consolidated his power over the government’s pandemic response.

Atlas shot down attempts to expand testing. He openly feuded with other doctors on the coronavirus task force and succeeded in largely sidelining them. He advanced fringe theories, such as that social distancing and mask-wearing were meaningless and would not have changed the course of the virus in several hard-hit areas. And he advocated allowing infections to spread naturally among most of the population while protecting the most vulnerable and those in nursing homes until the United States reaches herd immunity, which experts say would cause excess deaths, according to three current and former senior administration officials.

Atlas also cultivated Trump’s affection with his public assertions that the pandemic is nearly over, despite death and infection counts showing otherwise, and his willingness to tell the public that a vaccine could be developed before the Nov. 3 election, despite clear indications of a slower timetable.

Atlas’s ascendancy was apparent during a recent Oval Office meeting. After Trump left the room, Atlas startled other aides by walking behind the Resolute Desk and occupying the president’s personal space to keep the meeting going, according to one senior administration official. Atlas called this account “false and laughable.”

Democrats slam 'Trump virus response' as president's surrogates defend him
Trump and Biden campaign surrogates traded blame over the administration's response to the coronavirus pandemic on Oct. 18. (Zach Purser Brown/The Washington Post)
Discord on the coronavirus task force has worsened since the arrival in late summer of Atlas, whom colleagues said they regard as ill-informed, manipulative and at times dishonest. As the White House coronavirus response coordinator, Deborah Birx is tasked with collecting and analyzing infection data and compiling charts detailing upticks and other trends. But Atlas routinely has challenged Birx’s analysis and those of other doctors, including Anthony S. Fauci, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield, and Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn, with what the other doctors considered junk science, according to three senior administration officials.

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Birx recently confronted the office of Vice President Pence, who chairs the task force, about the acrimony, according to two people familiar with the meeting. Birx, whose profile and influence has eroded considerably since Atlas’s arrival, told Pence’s office that she does not trust Atlas, does not believe he is giving Trump sound advice and wants him removed from the task force, the two people said.

In one recenet encounter, Pence did not take sides between Atlas and Birx, but rather told them to bring data bolstering their perspectives to the task force and to work out their disagreements themselves, according to two senior administration officials.

The result has been a U.S. response increasingly plagued by distrust, infighting and lethargy, just as experts predict coronavirus cases could surge this winter and deaths could reach 400,000 by year’s end.

This assessment is based on interviews with 41 administration officials, advisers to the president, public health leaders and other people with knowledge of internal government deliberations, some of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to provide candid assessments or confidential information.

A member of the U.S. Secret Service stands guard as President Trump addresses supporters from a balcony at the White House on Oct. 10.
A member of the U.S. Secret Service stands guard as President Trump addresses supporters from a balcony at the White House on Oct. 10. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
Atlas defended his views and conduct in a series of statements sent through a spokesperson and condemned The Washington Post’s reporting as “another story filled with overt lies and distortions to undermine the President and the expert advice he is being given.”

Atlas said he has always stressed “all appropriate mitigation measures to save lives,” and he responded to accounts of dissent on the task force by saying, “Any policy discussion where data isn’t being challenged isn’t a policy discussion.”

On the issue of herd immunity, Atlas said, “We emphatically deny that the White House, the President, the Administration, or anyone advising the President has pursued or advocated for a wide-open strategy of achieving herd immunity by letting the infection proceed through the community.”

The doctor’s denial conflicts with his previous public and private statements, including his recent endorsement of the “Great Barrington Declaration,” which effectively promotes a herd immunity strategy.

On Saturday, Atlas wrote on Twitter that masks do not work, prompting the social media site to remove the tweet for violating its safety rules for spreading misinformation. Several medical and public health experts flagged the tweet as dangerous misinformation coming from a primary adviser to the president.

“Masks work? NO,” Atlas wrote in the tweet, followed by other misrepresentations about the science behind masks. He linked to an article from the American Institute for Economic Research — a libertarian think tank behind the Barrington effort — that argued against masks and dismissed the threat of the virus as overblown.

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Trump and many of his advisers have come to believe that the key to a revived economy and a return to normality is a vaccine.

“They’ve given up on everything else,” said a senior administration official involved in the pandemic response. “It’s too hard of a slog.”

Infectious-disease and other public health experts said the friction inside the White House has impaired the government’s response.

“It seems to me this is policy-based evidence-making rather than evidence-based policymaking,” said Marc Lipsitch, director of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. “In other words, if your goal is to do nothing, then you create a situation in which it looks okay to do nothing [and] you find some experts to make it complicated.”

These days, the task force is dormant relative to its robust activity earlier in the pandemic. Fauci, Birx, Surgeon General Jerome Adams and other members have confided in others that they are dispirited.

Birx and Fauci have advocated dramatically increasing the nation’s testing capacity, especially as experts anticipate a devastating increase in cases this winter. They have urged the government to use unspent money Congress allocated for testing — which amounts to $9 billion, according to a Democratic Senate appropriations aide — so that anyone who needs to can get a test with results returned quickly.

White House coronavirus adviser Scott Atlas speaks during a television interview outside the West Wing on Oct. 12.
White House coronavirus adviser Scott Atlas speaks during a television interview outside the West Wing on Oct. 12. (Oliver Contreras for The Washington Post)
But Atlas, who is opposed to surveillance testing, has repeatedly quashed these proposals. He has argued that young and healthy people do not need to get tested and that testing resources should be allocated to nursing homes and other vulnerable places, such as prisons and meatpacking plants.

White House spokeswoman Sarah Matthews defended Trump and the administration’s management of the crisis.

“President Trump has always listened to the advice of his top public health experts, who have diverse areas of expertise,” Matthews said in a statement. “The President always puts the well-being of the American people first as evidenced by the many bold, data-driven decisions he has made to save millions of lives. Because of his strong leadership, our country can safely reopen with adequate PPE, treatments, and vaccines developed in record time.”

Yet 10 months into a public health crisis that has claimed the lives of more than 219,000 people in the United States — a far higher death toll than any other nation has reported — a consensus has formed within the administration that some measures to mitigate the spread of the virus may not be worth the trouble.

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The president gave voice to this mind-set during an NBC News town hall Thursday night, when he declined to answer whether he supported herd immunity. “The cure cannot be worse than the problem itself,” Trump told host Savannah Guthrie.

But medical experts disagreed, saying it is dangerous for government leaders to advocate herd immunity or oppose interventions.

“We’d be foolish to reenter a situation where we know what to do and we’re not doing it,” said Rochelle Walensky, chief of the division of infectious diseases at Massachusetts General Hospital and a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School. “This thing can take off. All you need to do is look at what’s happened at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue over the last two weeks to see that this thing is way faster than we’re giving it credit for.”

'The cure'
President Trump appears at a campaign rally Oct. 12 in Sanford, Fla.
President Trump appears at a campaign rally Oct. 12 in Sanford, Fla. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
After Trump came home from the hospital this month, he all but promised Americans that they could soon be cured from the coronavirus just as he claimed to have been. In a video taped at the White House on Oct. 5, he vowed, “The vaccines are coming momentarily.”

Then, at a rally last Tuesday night in Johnstown, Pa., Trump told supporters, “The vaccines are coming soon, the therapeutics and, frankly, the cure. All I know is I took something, whatever the hell it was. I felt good very quickly . . . I felt like Superman.”

Trump’s miraculous timeline has run headlong into reality, however. On the same day that he declared “the cure” was near, Johnson & Johnson became the second pharmaceutical giant, after AstraZeneca, to halt its vaccine trial. A third trial, a government-run test of a monoclonal antibody manufactured by Eli Lilly & Co., was also paused. Each move was prompted by safety concerns.

And on Friday, Pfizer said it will not be able to seek an emergency use authorization from the FDA until the third week of November, at the earliest, seemingly making a vaccine before Election Day all but impossible.

Trump’s notion of a vaccine as a cure-all for the pandemic is similarly miraculous, according to medical experts.

“The vaccines, although they’re wonderful, are not going to make the virus magically disappear,” said Tom Frieden, a former CDC director who is president of Resolve to Save Lives. “There’s no fairy-tale ending to this pandemic. We’re going to be dealing with it at least through 2021, and it’s likely to have implications for how we do everything from work to school, even with vaccines.”

Frieden added: “Remember, we have vaccines against the flu, and we still have flu.”

People work in the packaging facility of Chinese vaccine maker Sinovac Biotech, where an experimental coronavirus vaccine is being developed, during a government-organized media tour in Beijing on Sept. 24.
People work in the packaging facility of Chinese vaccine maker Sinovac Biotech, where an experimental coronavirus vaccine is being developed, during a government-organized media tour in Beijing on Sept. 24. (Thomas Peter/Reuters)
Still, Trump has ratcheted up his push for vaccines over the past several months, intensifying the pressure on government scientists, federal regulators and pharmaceutical executives. He has had one end date in mind: Nov. 3, which is Election Day.

Trump has envisioned a greenlit vaccine as the kind of breakthrough that could persuade voters to see his management of the pandemic as successful and thus upend a race in which virtually all public polls show him trailing Democratic nominee Joe Biden.

Earlier this fall, Trump called Albert Bourla, the chief executive of Pfizer, and asked whether a vaccine could be ready for distribution by late October, before the election. Pfizer spokeswoman Sharon Castillo said executives have regular communications with administration officials on a wide range of health policy issues but that she could not comment on private conversations.

On a call in August with Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, Trump accused the agency of moving too slowly to approve a vaccine or other treatments, including convalescent plasma, according to two officials familiar with the conversation. The NIH, which declined to comment, is a biomedical research agency and does not approve treatments or vaccines.

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Matthews denied that Trump sees the vaccine timetable through the prism of the campaign calendar. “This is not about politics; it’s about saving lives,” she said. She added, “any vaccine approval will maintain the FDA’s gold standard for safety and efficacy and be proven to save lives.”

The relationships between FDA officials and White House staffers have grown more acrimonious since September, when details of stricter FDA vaccine guidance were reported by The Post. Trump and White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows — who has involved himself in the work of health agencies to a degree other officials consider inappropriate — have repeatedly challenged Hahn over his agency’s proposals and rules, much to the FDA commissioner’s frustration.

White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows speaks during a television interview outside of the West Wing on Oct. 7.
White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows speaks during a television interview outside of the West Wing on Oct. 7. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
Trump is asserting control over the messaging campaign around a vaccine. His politically minded aides in the White House have taken over the government’s communications effort, as opposed to health or scientific communicators at the relevant agencies.

For example, White House aides have sought to persuade Moncef Slaoui, head of “Operation Warp Speed,” the government’s initiative to mass-distribute an eventual vaccine, to speak more positively about the vaccine, and sometimes he has pushed back on their talking points, two officials said.

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Trump routinely has told his political advisers that a vaccine would be ready by the time he stands for reelection. And he has plotted with his team on a pre-election promotional campaign to try to convince voters a vaccine is safe, approved and ready for mass distribution — even if none of that is true yet.

These are some of the ingredients of a public health disaster, experts say.

“The one thing you can’t do — and it’s what everybody fears, it’s what the pharmaceutical companies fear, it’s what everybody on the inside fears — is that the government would, because of political purposes or because other countries put a vaccine out before us, truncate the normal process you’d accept for a safe and effective vaccine,” said Paul A. Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, a professor of vaccinology at the University of Pennsylvania and a member of the FDA’s vaccine advisory council.

Trump listens as FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn speaks during a coronavirus press briefing on March 19.
Trump listens as FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn speaks during a coronavirus press briefing on March 19. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
Trump’s view of the FDA has darkened considerably in recent weeks. The president now believes — despite the absence of any such evidence — that officials there are working against him to slow-walk vaccine approval as “some sort of ‘deep state’ push to keep him from winning reelection,” according to an administration official.

Trump has said as much himself.

“New FDA Rules make it more difficult for them to speed up vaccines for approval before Election Day. Just another political hit job! @SteveFDA,” the president wrote in an Oct. 6 tweet, tagging Hahn’s Twitter handle.

Trump’s conspiratorial view of the FDA is shaped in part by White House trade adviser Peter Navarro and others in the president’s orbit, both inside and outside the government.

Saad B. Omer, director of the Yale Institute for Global Health, said the atmosphere of pressure and recrimination, nurtured by the president, is “very concerning.”

“These are people who have dedicated their lives to working in public health and medicine and research,” he said. “To think that in the biggest public health event of their lives they would sleep an extra hour or slow-walk this for any reason is absurd.”

He added, “It’s like how an ambulance drives faster than a regular car because it’s an emergency, but even an ambulance driver is not foolhardy. They don’t want to drive over the bridge.”

'A lot of political pressure'
Vice President Pence speaks at a campaign event outside Weldall Manufacturing in Waukesha, Wis., on Oct. 13.
Vice President Pence speaks at a campaign event outside Weldall Manufacturing in Waukesha, Wis., on Oct. 13. (Joshua Lott/The Washington Post)
The distrust in Washington has trickled down to the states, where friction has increased between several governors and the administration over the vaccine process.

Some governors and officials close to them privately have expressed alarm about Trump and his aides laying the groundwork for a rushed vaccine announcement. The president has delegated much of the state outreach to Pence, who in regular calls with governors has come across as a smooth salesman for Trump’s speedy approach. The vice president has encouraged governors to help build confidence for eventual vaccines among their constituents.

Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker (D), whose state is the site for vaccine trials, said in an interview, “I certainly fear there is a lot of political pressure being applied.” He said his state is preparing for a vaccine rollout, but would carefully evaluate the integrity of any announcement emanating from the White House.

“Nobody has told me that it’ll be ready by November 2nd or anytime before the election,” Pritzker said. “But [Trump] will no doubt claim such a thing because of the cocktail of drugs that he seems to be on now. He’s liable to say anything that isn’t true.”

The concerns are not limited to Democrats. One Republican state official who works with the Trump administration and spoke on the condition of anonymity to preserve that relationship, said, “It’s what I would call soft power. Pence comes on these calls and sounds normal and upbeat, and basically says, ‘Stand with us.’ ”

The official added, “We all want a vaccine, right? We obviously want it. We’ll take it. But we don’t really know if they’ll do this right.”

The politicization of the process has damaged public credibility in an eventual vaccine. A Gallup poll released this month found that 50 percent of Americans said they would be willing to take a coronavirus vaccine approved by the FDA “right now at no cost.” That is a sharp decline from 61 percent in August and 66 percent in July.

Washington Gov. Jay Inslee (D) arrives to receive a flu shot in Olympia, Wash., on Oct. 15.
Washington Gov. Jay Inslee (D) arrives to receive a flu shot in Olympia, Wash., on Oct. 15. (Ted S. Warren/AP)
During a virtual task force meeting led by Pence on Sept. 21, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee (D) said, “There is a substantial concern,” according to an audio recording of the meeting. “A significant part of that problem is the president’s continued anti-science statements that are contradictory to his medical advisers in so many different ways.”

Inslee asked Pence directly, “Have you discussed with the president how he’s been eroding public confidence in our efforts, including the vaccine approval? Have you discussed that with him? Have you urged him to stop this behavior?”

Pence did not directly answer the question. Rather, he replied, “We think you and all the governors on this call have a great responsibility to make sure the public knows while we’re moving rapidly and while there may be differences in opinion about various events, we just don’t want any undermining of confidence in the vaccine.”

The vice president added, “I can assure you the president will continue to speak clearly about that process.”

Inslee later said in an interview that Pence was anything but assuring.

“There is a pressure campaign,” Inslee said. “We need to follow science and not this distortion campaign . . . The people are on to [Trump]. They know he is trying to turn this into an electoral issue.”

'A magic dust'
President Trump is reflected in the sunglasses of a supporter during a campaign event in Greenville, N.C., on Oct. 15.
President Trump is reflected in the sunglasses of a supporter during a campaign event in Greenville, N.C., on Oct. 15. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
As the election nears, one of Trump’s biggest vulnerabilities with voters is his handling of the pandemic — which he increasingly has sought to blame on others. For instance, the president has complained bitterly about Hahn and Redfield, pointing to congressional testimony and other public comments they have made as undermining his chances for reelection, according to multiple administration officials.

Trump also has vented about the slow pace of vaccine trials and has fumed privately about the pharmaceutical industry, even though he speaks highly of some industry executives. Lately, he has expressed particular concern that the absence of a vaccine announcement has been hurting him with early voting, according to an administration official.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, a former Eli Lilly president who has close ties to the pharmaceutical industry, has sought to cool Trump’s temper and assure him that the process is sound.

Also whispering optimism in the tempestuous president’s ear has been Atlas, who is said to be operating with the full confidence of Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser overseeing key aspects of the pandemic response, and Hope Hicks, the president’s counselor and confidante.

This is in part because Atlas has sought to spin the public with what others deride as “happy talk” that the outbreak is close to over. “Everybody looks for what Atlas is giving them,” one official involved in the response said.

Offit said, “This administration, like it does with everything, is overselling vaccines. They make it sound like a magic dust they’ll distribute over the country and the disease will go away . . . What could happen is people think, great, I just got my vaccine, I can throw away my mask, I can engage in high-risk activity, and then we’d actually take a step back.”

President Trump and Adm. Brett Giroir, assistant secretary of Health and Human Services, listen as White House coronavirus response coordinator Deborah Birx speaks at a press briefing on April 20.
President Trump and Adm. Brett Giroir, assistant secretary of Health and Human Services, listen as White House coronavirus response coordinator Deborah Birx speaks at a press briefing on April 20. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
Most controversially, Atlas has pushed a baseless theory inside the task force that the U.S. population is close to herd immunity — the point at which enough people become immune to a disease either by becoming infected or getting vaccinated that its spread slows — despite a scientific consensus that the United States is nowhere close.

Given the transmissibility of the coronavirus, experts estimate about 60 to 70 percent of the population would need to become infected to reach herd immunity, a course that they warn would probably result in hundreds of thousands of excess deaths. A recent CDC study, about which Redfield testified to the Senate, showed about 9 percent of people in the United States had antibodies against the virus.

But Atlas publicly contradicted Redfield last month, telling reporters that more of the population was protected against the virus because of so-called T-cell immunity, in which people with exposure to previous coronaviruses — such as the common cold — have T cells that also protect them against covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.

No credible scientific study has proved this theory, and Atlas’s advocacy of it dismayed other task force officials.

At a task force meeting late last month, Atlas stated that there was herd immunity in much of the country because of a combination of high infection rates in cities such as New York and Miami and T-cell immunity, according to two senior administration officials. He said that only 40 to 50 percent of people need to be infected to reach the threshold. And he argued that because of this immunity, all restrictions should be lifted, schools should be opened and only the most vulnerable populations, such as nursing home residents, should be sheltered.

This resulted in a fierce debate with Birx and Fauci, who demanded Atlas show them the data that backed up his assertions, one of the officials said.

“It is not the case there’s extra immunity around in T cells,” Lipsitch said. “The vast, vast majority of infectious-disease epidemiologists in this country don’t believe several of the key points these people are arguing for and don’t believe it because the evidence isn’t there and points in the other direction.”

Regardless, Trump has used Atlas to back up his own rejection of medical expertise. At Thursday’s NBC News town hall, a Florida voter asked the president whether after contracting covid-19 he now believed in the importance of mask-wearing.

Trump equivocated.

“I’ve heard many different stories on masks,” he said.

When Guthrie challenged him by noting that all of his health officials were united in advocating masks, Trump countered by invoking Atlas.

“Scott Adkins,” Trump said, mispronouncing the doctor’s name. “If you look at Scott, Dr. Scott, he’s from — great guy — from Stanford, he will tell you.”

“He’s not an infectious-disease expert,” Guthrie said.

“Oh, I don’t know,” Trump replied. “Look, he’s an expert. He’s one of the experts of the world.”

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 19 October 2020 15:01 (five years ago)

No time for losers 'cause we are the experts...

of the world

they see me lollin' (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:12 (five years ago)

I can't wait for all of these assholes to be gone. Though I know deep down that every last one of them will be popping up as talking heads for years to come.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 October 2020 15:15 (five years ago)

Meantime, literally just now

"People are tired of covid," the president said. "People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots... Fauci's a nice guy, he's been here for 500 years...wonderful sage telling us..."

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) October 19, 2020

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 October 2020 15:22 (five years ago)

All experts are experts in everything, duh, Savannah.

Boring, Maryland, Monday, 19 October 2020 15:23 (five years ago)

Hint: Not "Fauci" we're tired of hearing speak

eat my room temperature ass (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:23 (five years ago)

I think a lot about these career guvvies (Fauci among them) who are just keeping their heads down, gritting their teeth, and counting down the days.

Also all the fired people who'll be able to return once the ogre has been banished from the castle. It'll be like the end of Beauty and the Beast.

they see me lollin' (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:27 (five years ago)

everybody in the Trump cabinet should also be shot into outer space, even if they were appointed by him and served for only a day.

eat my room temperature ass (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:28 (five years ago)

XXXXXXP - thank you!

Maresn3st, Monday, 19 October 2020 15:28 (five years ago)

Of course, since 98% percent of all these people have been complaining anonymously (including the New York Times star columnist and best-selling author, Anonymous) for years, literally everyone will say they were one of the bulwarks, one of the naysayers, one of failsafes, one the people who kept their heads down and the government running. That Trump stink isn't coming from them, oh no, it was the person who just left the elevator the floor before that you smell.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 October 2020 15:32 (five years ago)

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-donald-trump-nashville-tennessee-us-news-c6d81edd6bbefbfdba6c7caf12889a78

eat my room temperature ass (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:43 (five years ago)

Wait, what? Why Tennessee specifically? Or has the White House just been privately telling all red states to mandate masks?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 October 2020 15:45 (five years ago)

In a statement late Friday, the governor’s office said the White House report had not altered his thinking.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 October 2020 15:46 (five years ago)

"In one recent encounter, Pence did not take sides between Atlas and Birx, but rather told them to bring data bolstering their perspectives to the task force and to work out their disagreements themselves, according to two senior administration officials."

heartland institute analysis held up to be comparable to the work of the IPCC, basically, in climate change terms

jfc

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:48 (five years ago)

juggalos getting no respect

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:49 (five years ago)

listen al gore, we know you have some data showing a connection between GHG emissions and rising temperatures. however, this guy we found in a hardee's parking lot has a backissue of Time from the 1970s that mentions global cooling. i can't make a decision here - you two get together, look at the data, and let me know which one wins

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:49 (five years ago)

"look, we have to be adults here. There are two sides of every coin. Why not meet in the middle - either half of the population wears masks, or the whole population wears half a mask"

eat my room temperature ass (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:51 (five years ago)

from Scott Atlas' wikipedia:

Scott William Atlas is an American neuroradiologist, professor, commentator, and health care policy advisor. He is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution

that tells you all you need to know

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:51 (five years ago)

Wait, what? Why Tennessee specifically? Or has the White House just been privately telling all red states to mandate masks?

the final "debate" is at Belmont U in Nashville this Thursday.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:51 (five years ago)

always a troubling moment when you realize one of the main evil organizations from Jane Mayer's Dark Money is on a task force

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:52 (five years ago)

I mean...did anyone really expect Pence to affect any kind of leadership position here? He's a ventriloquist's dummy who was one day gifted a cruel simulacrum of animate life and a fear of lady hoo-hahs. Putting him in charge of something by someone shouldn't be in charge of anything isn't going to magically make him fit for anything but breathing quietly in a corner somewhere.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:57 (five years ago)

Stratererergy

Asked one GOP consultant what he would advise the president to do in the final two weeks to turn things around & help down-ticket Rs. Answer: "Distribute Trump-brand tequila."

— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) October 19, 2020

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 October 2020 15:57 (five years ago)

how about trump-brand non-alcoholic tequila? give trump supporters some 0.6% ABV trump-brand tequila

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:59 (five years ago)

That'll win Sammy Hagar's vote

eat my room temperature ass (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:59 (five years ago)

No it won't, it'll eat into his market share.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 October 2020 16:00 (five years ago)

Was thinking they'd maybe do a collabo-wabo

eat my room temperature ass (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 October 2020 16:01 (five years ago)

does hagar have low-alcohol tequila, though? that's what the suburban housewives want to drink

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Monday, 19 October 2020 16:01 (five years ago)

collabo-wabo

lol gold

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 19 October 2020 16:03 (five years ago)

It's getting just sad at this point.

Fox News "hard news" anchor Trace Gallagher on mail-in voting: "If I give a ballot how do I know somebody didn’t steal it? ... I read some of these things about gangs that lie in wait at these blue post office boxes and grab them and they are very good at this kind of stuff." pic.twitter.com/vB22JN2V51

— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) October 19, 2020

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 October 2020 16:03 (five years ago)

Was thinking they'd maybe do a collabo-wabo

looool

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 19 October 2020 16:03 (five years ago)

ilx hall of fame

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 19 October 2020 16:06 (five years ago)

A+

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 October 2020 16:07 (five years ago)

I can't drink . . . oh point fiiiiive!!!

nickn, Monday, 19 October 2020 16:25 (five years ago)

Just voted. 20 person line just to drop my ballot in a box, probably because so many people were taking selfies. Anytime somebody voted for the first time people cheered. Pretty inspiring. The actual line to vote in person stretched down and around the block, hundreds of people long. People had lawn chairs, like they were waiting to buy concert tickets.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 October 2020 16:32 (five years ago)

xpost lol there's another debate!?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 October 2020 16:33 (five years ago)

Allegedly, bet you are sorry you voted already, aren't you?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 19 October 2020 16:34 (five years ago)

i'm curious to hear more about these candidates and their positions on the issues

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 October 2020 16:38 (five years ago)

by the way, I've always voted in every election since I've been eligible. I've never thought too much about it. but this time was the first time I actually felt kind of emotional. a weird mix of sadness and euphoria. the stakes just see him so serious and real, and I like a lot of people have years of pent up anger and feelings of hopelessness, with this the first real legal means of expressing that that doesn't involve yelling or alcohol.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 October 2020 16:38 (five years ago)

i'm curious to hear more about these candidates and their positions on the issues

Debate is nothing but tequila rankings.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 October 2020 16:39 (five years ago)

go 100% agave or go home

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 October 2020 16:43 (five years ago)

honestly the last debate should just be that one youtube show where celebrities try different hot sauces

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 October 2020 16:43 (five years ago)

label Trump's all something different but make all of them Carolina Reaper sauce

eat my room temperature ass (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 October 2020 16:50 (five years ago)

nothing like no buzz marg with my taco salad. the taco trucks on all the corners in my neighborhood don't seem to offer either of them, it's weird.

pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Monday, 19 October 2020 16:50 (five years ago)

more shocking evidence of the deep racism of the republican party:

When protesters are specified as “Black Americans” vs. “Americans,” support for protests DROPS by ___ points:

Republicans who most trust Fox News: 37
Republicans overall: 25
White evangelicals: 20
All White Americans: 14
Democrats: 0

Read More: https://t.co/ECZn9E4Guk pic.twitter.com/UzsbzkduRg

— PRRI (@PRRIpoll) October 19, 2020

i mean, anytime you ask questions like this, you get this split. but this one in particular, i mean come the fuck on.

when they asked republicans if it was a good thing when "Americans" protest against unfair treatment by the government, 49% agree. but if you specify "Black Americans", it drops in half, to 24% support. apparently about half of republicans change their mind about protest when they remember that black people can be Americans too.

(democrats were 71% on both versions of the question, regardless of whether or not race was mentioned)

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Monday, 19 October 2020 16:52 (five years ago)

apparently the poll findings are so racist that it knocked prri.org down

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Monday, 19 October 2020 16:53 (five years ago)

"I think Joe Biden has a scandal coming up that's going to make him almost an impotent candidate," Trump also told his staff during the call.

“We found stuff yesterday we gave it to the press," he said. https://t.co/E9G5ijNrmd

— Jill Colvin (@colvinj) October 19, 2020

oh boy here we go

frogbs, Monday, 19 October 2020 17:07 (five years ago)


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