"Will you shut up, man?" US Politics October 2020

go start a church or something, probably a better place to tell people what to abhor

you annoying fuckin weirdo

Where did I say Biden was committing fraud? Or "guilty" of anything?

― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, October 14, 2020 10:23 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

The issue is also really easy to avoid - if you know that your side is held to a stricter standard, don't do even minor corruption.

I've seen a couple of posts here and there wondering why the early voting numbers aren't even higher but I think people seem to forget sometimes that ballots wildly vary from place to place, and that it's never as simply as just a presidential vote. But even with a basic baseline -- you're always going to be voting for president and your district representative to Congress each time no matter what (state reps can vary, note how Virginia is 'off' a year each time) -- it's everything else on top of that that could appear which makes it complex. There could be senators, there could be a full state election, etc, and that's not to mention everything else even more local. Living in SF as I do I didn't just have the various state propositions to consider but the city ones as well, almost the same in overall number. It can take time to sort it all out! I've figured out my vote and filled out my ballot and will be walking it up to the City Hall dropoff point here in the next few days, as direct a way I can do this as any.

Yes, that sentence does not refer to Biden at all. It refers to the idea that Democrats are held to a higher standard (ie "but Trump's children do worse everyday and it doesn't matter!') so they have to stay cleaner.

Hillary using a private e-mail server was bad. Ivanka and Jared and untold thousands of other people in powerful governmental positions doing the same is also bad. Only one of those hurt anyone, and it was the Democrat. This isn't football, there aren't offsetting fouls.

will be walking it up to the City Hall dropoff point

Bill Graham Auditorium

You're welcome, I just saved you a few minutes walk.

I have to start working on my ballot, I see that there are 13(!) local ballot measures. I plan to walk it down there as well

xpost -- I mean yeah but one block over within clear eyesight. Call it the Civic Center dropoff if you like.

Ok but we are yet to see if the press covers the laptop thing like they did Hillary’s emails. More likely the reaction will be “trump got him himself impeached for this crap?”

(Kinda funny: the vote dropoff in early March for the primary was one of the last 'normal' things I did around here, along with a couple of shows that week, going out for a birthday dinner, etc. Seems very, very distant now.)

Texas surpassed 1 million votes on first day of early voting https://t.co/ipOgoLjAAi pic.twitter.com/nDMWTql3gx

— 😱 Endless Zoom Meeting 😱 (@AdamSerwer) October 14, 2020

early voting numbers might also not be higher because there has been pretty strong messaging to democrats to vote in person, if you can, so your mail-in votes can't be invalidated

i thought early voting numbers were also counting early in-person voting as well as mail-in?

oh, to clarify, "in person" also means "on Election Day," basically to keep your vote as far away as possible from anything that might be fucked with

(at least that's why I'm voting in person on Election Day, not that my vote matters where I am)

i thought early voting numbers were also counting early in-person voting as well as mail-in?

Yes, the Elections Project numbers I'm sharing count both mail and early in-person. You can always follow along here:

https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/index.html

the email address that supposedly sent stuff to Hunter Biden was &quo✧✧✧.pozhars✧✧✧.ukra✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧". Makes sense, cause when I do my shady emails to my Mexican cronies I use my &quo✧✧✧.dain✧✧✧.estadosuni✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧" account.

My mail ballot should be here in the next few days. My plan is to drop it off at a drop box not too far from where I live. I feel slightly guilty about not voting in person on election day, but I'm also super worried about something happening that day to prevent it.

you can still vote on election day after you turn your vote in, Republicans do it all the time

seriously tho don't feel guilty. vote how you can!

I only had to wait about 10 minutes today but did have time to see an older Black woman flip the double deuces to a lifted Trump bestickered truck driving around the parking lot looking for room to park. I'm not sure I've ever actually voted on election day.

CNN: "California has received 10 times as many ballots than it did at this time in the 2016 general election, with 1.5 million ballots returned so far, according to the secretary of state..."

man Kanye is raking it in

Call me crazy but I doubt Joe was completely unaware of Hunter's entire life and career. Bad dad if so, IMO.

Call me crazy but I doubt Joe was completely unaware of Hunter's entire life and career. Bad dad if so, IMO.

Call me crazy but I doubt Joe was completely unaware of Hunter's entire life and career. Bad dad if so, IMO.

Call me crazy but I doubt Joe was completely unaware of Hunter's entire life and career. Bad dad if so, IMO.

Call me crazy but I doubt Joe was completely unaware of Hunter's entire life and career. Bad dad if so, IMO.

Zimmerman flew, Tyler knew

John Fogerty is not pleased about Trump's use of "Fortunate Son" at rallies.

I've had my ballot filled out, sealed and sitting right over there, waiting for Monday, which is the soonest I can drop it in a ballot box.

Trump blasting out "Fortunate Son" as a way to twit Joe Biden about Hunter? The irony is thick enough to cut with a knife.

This isn't football, there aren't offsetting fouls.

does this mean you'll stop making Lucy analogies?

Some folks are born, silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, y'all
But when the taxman comes to the door
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yeah

does this mean you'll stop making Lucy analogies?

As soon as liberals stop believing it when people tell them Joe Biden has moved to the left.

You mean every liberal on earth or just specific ones

It seems harder to believe that Joe Biden is so rock solid that he never moves an inch to either side on the issues of the day.

it's easy to believe that Biden doesn't actually change his thinking on much of anything, let alone relative to arbitary political poles, tbh

this doesn't change the value of voting him in, paying attention to downballot candidates & local ballot measures at the same time, and then pressuring local members & elements of Biden's administration to tax the wealthy, the rich, & the megarich, and defund the police

Wow, cannot believe there are people itt who got rolled by this obviously bullshit laptop story. Tighten it up, y'all.

My idiot landlord parked in front of the mailbox all day apparently so ballot didn't actually go out.

do you mean "people" or just treesh's regular journey of having to take things on an erroneous version of face value & then type through his deconstruction of the actual lie that is the face value

it's just part of the process

#TrustTheProcess

I'm a few hours behind this thread, but seeing dopes like treeship and milo treating this story as anything but something to line your catbox with is one of the most depressing things I've read on ilx. Why don't you just become an anti-vaxxer while you're at it?

Think I made it pretty clear that my objections have nothing to do with the current story, about which I don't give a shit.

People were talking about Hunter's work history well before the primaries! It's actually distasteful regardless of electoral implications, you're not supposed to be cool with influence-peddling because it's your team.

from 2019, from a magazine I think we can all agree is pretty "vote blue no matter who" these days?

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/biden-delaware-way-graft/

MBNA then hired his son Hunter Biden, fresh out of Yale Law School, as a management trainee. (He stuck out among the mostly state and Catholic college alumni who worked at the bank.) The New York Times reported that when Hunter Biden left in 2000 for Washington, DC, and a new lobbying firm, Oldaker, Biden & Belair, MBNA kept him on a $100,000 annual retainer—not to lobby his father, he said, but for advice on “Internet and privacy law.”

don't see that he's "our team" though

xxxp I trust mail-in voting in CA but I really don’t want to leave it to chance any more. To a lesser extent I felt the same way in 2016 and 2018.

Before then I was fine with just throwing my ballot into a mailbox

Think I made it pretty clear that my objections have nothing to do with the current story, about which I don't give a shit.

People were talking about Hunter's work history well before the primaries! It's actually distasteful regardless of electoral implications, you're not supposed to be cool with influence-peddling because it's your team.

― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, October 14, 2020 7:32 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sure, sure. You never give a shit, except when you do (which is all the fucking time).

Sorry, I'm out for now. Too much wine and milo bullshit.

But his emails!

Just dropped off my AZ ballot. Was worried about sending it via mail so found a drop box.

you're not supposed to be cool with influence-peddling because it's your team.

There's no evidence, yet, that Hunter had any influence on any action taken by anyone in the government. It seems reasonable to assume that those who paid him hoped for influence, but not at all clear they ever got a dime's worth of satisfaction. Until evidence appears that Hunter was worth more than a bucket of warm piss, it's more of a comical delusion on their part than "influence peddling".

Wow, cannot believe there are people itt who got rolled by this obviously bullshit laptop story. Tighten it up, y'all.

re: early voting:

With less than three weeks to go before Nov. 3, roughly 15 million Americans have already voted in the fall election, reflecting an extraordinary level of participation despite barriers erected by the coronavirus pandemic — and setting a trajectory that could result in the majority of voters casting ballots before Election Day for the first time in U.S. history.

In Georgia this week, voters waited as long as 11 hours to cast their ballots on the first day of early voting. In North Carolina, nearly 1 in 5 of roughly 500,000 who have returned mail ballots so far did not vote in the last presidential election. In Michigan, more than 1 million people — roughly one-fourth of total turnout in 2016 — have already voted.

The picture is so stark that election officials around the country are reporting record early turnout, much of it in person, meaning that more results could be available on election night than previously thought.

So far, much of the early voting appears to be driven by heightened enthusiasm among Democrats. Of the roughly 3.5 million voters who have cast ballots in six states that provide partisan breakdowns, registered Democrats outnumber Republicans by roughly 2 to 1, according to a Washington Post analysis of data in Florida, Iowa, Maine, Kentucky, North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

Additionally, those who have voted include disproportionate numbers of Black voters and women, according to state data — groups that favor former vice president Joe Biden over President Trump in recent polls.

seems like a good thing

Heightened enthusiasm or dread?!

Yeah whatever it is trump is gonna get fucking annihilated