"Will you shut up, man?" US Politics October 2020

bleh.

someone introduce me to some Democratic donors, I can tweet mean things at Trump for a lot less than that

like, just give me $2 million and then watch me work

i will do same job for 1.5 million and will throw in a WAP parody

_How many votes can be leveraged in a general election? I’m not feeling it’s a significant amount at this juncture?_


How many votes does it take to win a modern election? I'd say Ralph Nader 2000 vs 2004 gives an idea of an easily swayable percentage of 'progressives.'

This is where one of the melts in the early primary thread would say that if the left starts withholding its votes what's to stop moderates from doing the smae - and, yeah, that's the game isn't it? Seems like an actual system of compromise and coalition building instead of just moderate policies and screaming at the left.

They're like the Lincoln Project. We want your votes, but no, you don't get to run the country after that.

Speaking of

🐦[The Lincoln Project convinced Democratic donors to part with $39,384,397 in Q3. It burned a staggering $13 million on operating expenditures, made $23.9M of IEs (mostly routed into its founders firms), and ended with $13.2M on hand. https://t.co/wvOXUYp7ed🕸
— Rob Pyers (@rpyers) October 14, 2020🕸]🐦

You know, I’ll just fp myself for terrible use of Zing.

Dukakis bumper stickers iirc

dude you have got to get a handle on clearing out your zing drafts before making new posts

lol xp

How does one know they are all Democrats? Because Republicans are made of evil and pragmatism, duh.

Actually I don't really know but I can totally imagine some LP donors being bleeding-heart Dems who think "any port in a storm."

You can call them “Biden voters” if you prefer

pretty glad Flagging does not have this 'draft' feature because i guarantee you i would fuck it up all the time

Who cares if those turds are stealing every penny they are not running on anti-Trump ads? I've yet to hear of any proper Dem run ads (or memes, or whatever shit) as effective as their stuff has been, so, if people want to spend their money on the Lincoln Logs ... money well spent?

well, you could give the money to someone else who would not be stealing it, but everybody's gotta do their own thing

I wouldn't discount the possibility that centrist dems donating to the Lincoln Project know exactly what they're doing and who they're doing it with.

i will do same job for 1.5 million and will throw in a WAP parody

Give me $2.5 million and I won't do a WAP parody

Look, just give me $4 million and I won't do anything. $5 million. $6 million, my final offer.

If those Act Blue fundraising numbers are any indication it sounds like there is plenty of money to go around right now, or at least the traditional Dems are not lacking it.

Anyway, I'd post mean things about Trump for the promise of fast food gift certificates.

these dueling town halls...i am flabbergasted.

i feel like this is an obvious point that i haven't seen elsewhere: the purposes of the debates/town halls are to win over voters, right? any candidate would want to speak to the maximum number of potential voters/viewing audience, right? and a candidate would be especially interested in winning over voters that are leaning toward the other candidate, or whoever the fuck is "undecided", right? so whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhy would the trump campaign/nbc schedule it at the same time as biden??

it really is just about scheduling them at the same time so that trump can get higher ratings and "win", despite it resulting in both candidates speaking directly to their own followers.

Any dumb + meaningless metric that gives him a false sense of overconfidence, I guess.

9 out of 10 dogs bark their heads off for Trump!

debates are archaic and have long outgrown their use and just exist as empty political theater because it's tradition and people still need to believe in our stupid process

i know it's asking a lot, but i would just like to see a single piece of news that bothers to mention that by scheduling them at the same exact time, they completely defeat the purpose of the event.

i mean, it's an own goal, too, for trump. he's way behind. he's the one that needs to change the dynamics, or whatever. he's shooting himself in the foot as usual

i don't think debates are archaic, and i don't think they ever will be. debate is foundational to democracy.

the way we do debates NOW is completely useless, i agree.

Wait, these obvious grifters are grifting? I'm shocked.

so whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhy would the trump campaign/nbc schedule it at the same time as biden??

because the President of the United States understands one thing and one thing only: TV ratings. if he can beat Biden in the ratings, he'll feel like he's winning the race.

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19 days to go

... until we start the count up on 'american election held hostage'

meanwhile, behind closed doors, conservative power brokers take a hard look at reality:

Videos provided to The Post — covering dozens of hours of CNP meetings over three days in February and three in August — offer an inside view of participants’ obsessions and fears at a pivotal moment in the conservative movement. The videos, recorded by CNP to share with its members, show influential activists discussing election tactics, amplifying conspiracy theories and describing much of America in dark and apocalyptic terms.

“This is a spiritual battle we are in. This is good versus evil,” CNP’s executive committee president, Bill Walton, said on Aug. 21, addressing attendees at the Ritz-Carlton in Pentagon City. “We have to do everything we can to win.”

Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, told attendees that same day that the left is “war-gaming” a plan to delay the election tally until Jan. 20, 2021, and enable House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to become acting president. “This is kind of like crazy talk” among political people, Fitton said. But he added: “This is not an insignificant concern.”

Expressing concern about voter fraud and disenfranchisement, Fitton called on the audience to find a way to prevent mail-in ballots from being sent to voters. “We need to stop those ballots from going out, and I want the lawyers here to tell us what to do,” said Fitton, whose organization is a tax-exempt charity. “But this is a crisis that we’re not prepared for. I mean, our side is not prepared for.”

In an interview with The Post, Fitton elaborated on his remarks. “The left has war-gamed this out,” Fitton said. “And it could cause civil war.”

Brent Bozell, a CNP executive committee member and founder of the Media Research Center, another tax-exempt charity, told attendees at one of the August sessions that he believes the left plans to “steal this election.”

“And if they get away with that, what happens?” he said. “Democracy is finished because they usher in totalitarianism.”

(CNP = council for national policy)

Brent Bozell, still alive?!

In a manner of speaking...

Pence has whooped both of the Democrats he’s debating tonight.

— Brent Bozell (@BrentBozell) October 8, 2020

Xp - If we could harness the power of the cognitive dissonance in that room we'd be at zero carbon in no time

The Democrats have war gamed the strategy of getting more votes, shameful really

it's part of a longer article, an attempted exposé of sorts by the WashPost, but nothing really surprising. still, i am always amazed at how i'm capable of hating Charlie Kirk EVEN MORE, every time i heard from him

As the presidential campaign entered its final stages, a fresh-faced Republican activist named Charlie Kirk stepped into the spotlight at a closed-door gathering of leading conservatives and shared his delight about an impact of the coronavirus pandemic: the disruption of America’s universities. So many campuses had closed, he said, that up to a half-million left-leaning students probably would not vote.

“So, please keep the campuses closed,” Kirk, 26, said in August as the audience cheered, according to video of the event obtained by The Washington Post. “Like, it’s a great thing.”

i can't embed the video here, but it's disgusting to look at his face as he says the words, and even before he gets the sentence out, the whole room is exploding in applause for him

CNP’s executive committee president, Bill Walton

Man, he contains multitudes

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“We need to stop those ballots from going out, and I want the lawyers here to tell us what to do..."

Too late bro.

what is their basis for thinking closing college campuses will result in less voting? usually it's harder for college students to vote on campus because they tend to be registered in their home states. seems like COVID will increase college student turnout in 2020 since they'll be home.

Was gonna say the exact same thing.

True but they won't see any Che Guevara posters at home.

4D chess fellas

In my experience, it's harder to score weed when you're staying with your parents. So, advantage Trump.

...said Fitton, whose organization is a tax-exempt charity.

nice dig there from the reporter.

xp
And there'll be no professors indoctrinating them into Marxism.

except via Zoom

Look, I'm still trying my hardest, but it's hard doing proper indoctrination through Zoom, okay?

my students barely need indoctrinating at this point, 2020 has really landed hard for them i think

xpost It worked in 1984.

wtf is this shit

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-13/california-gop-defends-unofficial-ballot-boxes

Okay so conservatives are living in a full-blown fantasy land even behind the scenes. To the extent that it doesn't manifest as violence, I highly promote this course of events. Please, get all tin-hatty about smart (and, in a fashion that's foreign to you, above-board) election strategy. That should work out very well for you.