"Will you shut up, man?" US Politics October 2020

Yeah he clearly wants to win, he just has zero ability to learn anything or change his strategy. being an insufferable dick worked for him his entire life.

in 2016, speaking for me personally only, I bought into the narrative that he had no chance because I (naively) thought it was impossible that America could be stupid enough to vote in a reality show star as President, and the "grab em by the pussy" thing happened, but the polls never really matched my overconfidence; was definitely tighter, plus i hadn't yet learned how much this shit literally didn't affect his standing.

there was that pic of him looking shook in that meeting with Obama, I think he was freaked to win.

the rest of his life is going to be a miserable shit slog if he doesn't manage to keep his ass planted in the seat of power

This. This is why I don't fear three weeks from now so much as I fear four years from now, if fate takes us down that path.

Election night 2016: https://i.imgur.com/Zp9mZ46.gif

it's a recognition that he does not and never did want the actual job (although he's very happy to accept the trappings of said job).

― OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Wednesday, October 14, 2020 9:44 AM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

What is "the actual job?" By some accounts Nixon was pilled and boozed up while Kissinger handled foreign policy crises. George W Bush had no idea what the fuck he was doing and left it to Cheney and his cabinet. Trump wants to wear the crown and he wants to say no one could beat him. If you mean he's not motivated by a deep interest in policy or love of country, thanks for the insight.

(xpost) That, with Obama, and the unforgettable look on his face as he walked out late that night after being declared the winner.

He absolutely cannot stand to lose.

i think this is true, but possibly consistent with not intending to win. hence all the in-advance grievance over supposedly rigged elections in 2016 and even moreso in 2020. his endgame is to forever have a platform for people to listen to him ranting on about how unfairly he was treated. if trump loses the election and is still alive in two years, tune into any random Fox segment and you will hear his horrible voice dubbed over his horrible photo, coming in over the phone:

yes steve it's really terrible what biden is doing with the senate, i told everybody this is going to happen and here we go, it's the worst deal i've ever seen and he does not know how to negotiate and you can see what a mess it is, just a disaster in all the courts, the only bigger disaster is the 2020 election also, and a lot of people have looked at that and found all kinds of things you won't believe. you would not believe. the terrible things that went on, with obama and joe biden, and hillary CLINton, it was really outrageous and just unbelievable so really i don't say that i "lost" that election, that word is really unfair and unreasonable, and Burisma also, with Hunter Biden, how they let that go on, we wanted to drain the swamp and it was so corrupt, they had the file and John Podesta but nothing happens, i kept saying make it happen and they said 'we can't!' and everyone was against me. so much corruption, we won that election by a LOT. big time. we won it by so much!, and they wouldn't release the numbers because they were so bad for Joe Biden. they got the worst ratings, almost as bad as CBS which has never reported on the emails about all the stolen ballots and that's why nobody watches them, because i kept asking my people, where did they go? were the ballots? i keep asking and nobody can tell me why they didn't have the ballots which showed me winning very big, by the way, there were a LOT of people with the numbers, there were Q who were very good people for me, big support, and also very unfairly treated by the media, they said all the polls had me way out ahead, and then it's election day and i'm not ahead? it's fake news, it was such fake news and very unfair and it's why i only come on your show, by the way and you should be thanking me because i know it brings your numbers up a lot - a LOT, okay, let's be honest - and i come on here because you call me President Trump which is correct. because a lot of people do say i was one of the best, i think really the best president we've ever had, and i'm very proud of winning a second term. and the media doesn't like that second term, okay and they say Joe Biden won and it's very unfair. i call him Sleepy Joe by the way, he is not the President and you can look at the numbers, he is the worst President we've ever had except for Obama, and all kinds of people, they have this, okay? and this will continue for a half hour or more at a stretch, because of the ratings and the numbers.

...Since being trounced in a couple of elections by Ronald Reagan’s increasingly reactionary Republican party a couple generations ago, both Biden and the most powerful people in the Democratic party — ... — seem at some point to have come to understand their jobs as fundamentally janitorial. They dutifully clean up all the blood and champagne vomit that the Republicans invariably leave behind on their way out of office and then hand over the keys when it’s time for America’s reactionaries — who have under Trump embraced an unbridled, unapologetic, deeply American fascism — to once again take their turn. One party is dedicated to making things much more unfair and sadistic; the other seems to see that collapse inevitable and now sees its job as making sure it all happens more slowly, and both less egregiously and more efficiently.

I've been trying to think about how this (obvious) fact about today's Democratic Party, and the centrality of women to its coalition, tie together. I haven't yet gotten to the root of it, but there's something important there.

This look here.

https://will.illinois.edu/images/uploads/42506/trump_victory.jpg

It doesn't really register as elation.

Melania looks like she lost a round on "The Apprentice."

^ Horrifying euphemism for Trumpian sexual encounter

Looks like they think they’re going to have a different administration to deal with in January

Facebook spokesperson confirms that the social network is reducing the distribution of the NYPost Hunter Biden 'smoking gun' email story, while it undergoes fact checking by the company's third-party fact checkers. https://t.co/MZkwPOXwcd

— Davey Alba (@daveyalba) October 14, 2020

if you've lost the stupidest pseudo-intellectual in the NRO sphere...

Forget how shabby this is for a president. Forget that not a single apologist for Trump will do more than clear their throat and change the subject.

Trump NEEDS seniors.

He's been begging for them to come back to him. Why Tweet this? It's so stupid. https://t.co/qLnXGsqxtW

— Jonah Goldberg (@JonahDispatch) October 14, 2020

toss em all into the sarlacc pit

Neanderthal otm x2

A thing I've long been unclear on: do his supporters not realize that he harbors just as much contempt for them as does for the libruhls, or do they know and just not care because fuckit the whole world's burnin' so we might as well burn too?

Prolly a mix of both.

How many seniors really follow him on twitter, though?

meanwhile, no charges in Barr probe of 2016 election 'spying'

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/politics/william-barr-unmasking-investigation/index.html

Final 2016 polls among seniors, per @NYTupshot average: Trump 49%, Clinton 44%

September 2020 polls among seniors, per my average: Biden 51%, Trump 46%

October 2020 polls among seniors, average so far: Biden 54%, Trump 43%

— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) October 14, 2020

Looks like they think they’re going to have a different administration to deal with in January

They've been signaling this for the last couple of months -- however much their 'uh yeah we're starting to ban Q,' etc moves may require a little more effort, things like them 180ing on Holocaust denial and the like as well tells me the Zuck is reading the tone of the bubbling Section 230 wars in combination with a party that has felt 2016 was decided against them BY Facebook's actions and, combined with a 'you know, being home to all this is starting to look bad for business' feeling that is more of an undercurrent, they're aiming to get out in front of a lot.

weird how we've pivoted from "god, can't the old racist people just DIE already" to "save us, olds!"

save us, then die, but be on deck to come back in case we need you again

save us, zombie olds

They're like the Lincoln Project. We want your votes, but no, you don't get to run the country after that.

Speaking of

The Lincoln Project convinced Democratic donors to part with $39,384,397 in Q3. It burned a staggering $13 million on operating expenditures, made $23.9M of IEs (mostly routed into its founders firms), and ended with $13.2M on hand. https://t.co/wvOXUYp7ed

— Rob Pyers (@rpyers) October 14, 2020

bleh.

someone introduce me to some Democratic donors, I can tweet mean things at Trump for a lot less than that

like, just give me $2 million and then watch me work

i will do same job for 1.5 million and will throw in a WAP parody

_How many votes can be leveraged in a general election? I’m not feeling it’s a significant amount at this juncture?_


How many votes does it take to win a modern election? I'd say Ralph Nader 2000 vs 2004 gives an idea of an easily swayable percentage of 'progressives.'

This is where one of the melts in the early primary thread would say that if the left starts withholding its votes what's to stop moderates from doing the smae - and, yeah, that's the game isn't it? Seems like an actual system of compromise and coalition building instead of just moderate policies and screaming at the left.

They're like the Lincoln Project. We want your votes, but no, you don't get to run the country after that.

Speaking of

🐦[The Lincoln Project convinced Democratic donors to part with $39,384,397 in Q3. It burned a staggering $13 million on operating expenditures, made $23.9M of IEs (mostly routed into its founders firms), and ended with $13.2M on hand. https://t.co/wvOXUYp7ed🕸
— Rob Pyers (@rpyers) October 14, 2020🕸]🐦

You know, I’ll just fp myself for terrible use of Zing.

Dukakis bumper stickers iirc

dude you have got to get a handle on clearing out your zing drafts before making new posts

lol xp

How does one know they are all Democrats? Because Republicans are made of evil and pragmatism, duh.

Actually I don't really know but I can totally imagine some LP donors being bleeding-heart Dems who think "any port in a storm."

You can call them “Biden voters” if you prefer

pretty glad Flagging does not have this 'draft' feature because i guarantee you i would fuck it up all the time

Who cares if those turds are stealing every penny they are not running on anti-Trump ads? I've yet to hear of any proper Dem run ads (or memes, or whatever shit) as effective as their stuff has been, so, if people want to spend their money on the Lincoln Logs ... money well spent?

well, you could give the money to someone else who would not be stealing it, but everybody's gotta do their own thing

I wouldn't discount the possibility that centrist dems donating to the Lincoln Project know exactly what they're doing and who they're doing it with.

i will do same job for 1.5 million and will throw in a WAP parody

Give me $2.5 million and I won't do a WAP parody

Look, just give me $4 million and I won't do anything. $5 million. $6 million, my final offer.

If those Act Blue fundraising numbers are any indication it sounds like there is plenty of money to go around right now, or at least the traditional Dems are not lacking it.

Anyway, I'd post mean things about Trump for the promise of fast food gift certificates.

these dueling town halls...i am flabbergasted.

i feel like this is an obvious point that i haven't seen elsewhere: the purposes of the debates/town halls are to win over voters, right? any candidate would want to speak to the maximum number of potential voters/viewing audience, right? and a candidate would be especially interested in winning over voters that are leaning toward the other candidate, or whoever the fuck is "undecided", right? so whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhy would the trump campaign/nbc schedule it at the same time as biden??

it really is just about scheduling them at the same time so that trump can get higher ratings and "win", despite it resulting in both candidates speaking directly to their own followers.

Any dumb + meaningless metric that gives him a false sense of overconfidence, I guess.

9 out of 10 dogs bark their heads off for Trump!

debates are archaic and have long outgrown their use and just exist as empty political theater because it's tradition and people still need to believe in our stupid process

i know it's asking a lot, but i would just like to see a single piece of news that bothers to mention that by scheduling them at the same exact time, they completely defeat the purpose of the event.

i mean, it's an own goal, too, for trump. he's way behind. he's the one that needs to change the dynamics, or whatever. he's shooting himself in the foot as usual

i don't think debates are archaic, and i don't think they ever will be. debate is foundational to democracy.

the way we do debates NOW is completely useless, i agree.

Wait, these obvious grifters are grifting? I'm shocked.