"Will you shut up, man?" US Politics October 2020

would be happy for Newsom to appoint even one senator.

I thought Western Pennsylvania overall was really for fracking, and assumed that Biden was calibrating his message to appeal to them.

Fracking map of PA is here: http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/drilling/

I'd say you're probably right about Western PA being more pro-fracking, but judging from local articles and news, the northern and northeastern sections of the state have grown increasingly anti-fracking as the enterprise has continued. The ban in neighboring states helps that equation too, obviously.

_Energy independence has been a pillar of national security policy going back to 1973._

If we'd started switching to renewables from, say, 19*8*3, when it became apparent that not doing so would destroy human life p quickly - would that not have made nations more secure?

The scientific debate about climate change was settled by then, too.

Climate change didn’t really become a public issue until 1988.

The Montreal Protocol was signed in 1987, and it took Australia's National Science Minister concerted efforts from 1984 to 1989 to manage to get a zero-emissions policy taken up*, but yeah I was just going for the rhyme of the two years.

*the next PM ditched it after an internal coup in 1991

morale is down in the thread again, trump needs to croak

xp montreal protocol was about the hole in the ozone layer - relevant to climate change because CFCs and HCFCs are horrific ghg multipliers, but not the main purpose.

1988 is a benchmark date in the U.S. because that's when james hansen testified in front of congress, prompting a bunch of media coverage and the first general audience book about climate change, The End of Nature by bill mckibben.

Based on my experience with old people and the early stages of dementia, Feinstein could gum up the works by telling incredibly long, involved stories with no resolution.

― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, October 10, 2020 8:32 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

So... she should post on ILE?

― rb (soda), Saturday, October 10, 2020 8:34 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I hear short, facile and boringly repetitive political opinions are currently en vogue.

kinda curious about this book:

https://www.mcdbooks.com/books/losing-earth

By 1979, we knew nearly everything we understand today about climate change—including how to stop it. Over the next decade, a handful of scientists, politicians, and strategists, led by two unlikely heroes, risked their careers in a desperate, escalating campaign to convince the world to act before it was too late. Losing Earth is their story, and ours.

I recall it came up in one of the climate change threads?

probably, I see now it’s like an expanded version of an NYT article series

Meantime.

A nurse who spoke at the Republican National Convention has been charged with shooting another woman in the abdomen https://t.co/8DVH9BV4qc

— Blake News (@blakehounshell) October 11, 2020

relevant to climate change because CFCs and HCFCs are horrific ghg multipliers,

GLENN: well, yeah. the criterion was "public issue," not "sole stated international policy motivator" :)

(having spent decades under the ozone hole and then also been unclad on beaches, and generally outdoors, on other continents, I promise you I'm aware of it)

Looking hale and hearty. pic.twitter.com/mLiWNiTkCS

— Schooley (@Rschooley) October 11, 2020

1988 is a benchmark date in the U.S. because that's when james hansen testified in front of congress, prompting a bunch of media coverage and the first general audience book about climate change, The End of Nature by bill mckibben.

― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Saturday, October 10, 2020 9:56 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Also! https://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1989/1101890102_400.jpg

CBS: The Taliban on Trump: We hope he will win the election and withdraw U.S. troops

A senior Taliban member told CBS News, "Trump might be ridiculous for the rest of the world, but he is sane and wise man for the Taliban."

i've been saying

There's a ton of rural people who think the idea of giving up fossil fuel is utter craziness and their lives without gasoline/diesel fuel would be crazy hard. They have a point.

Almost all rural locales depend on agriculture or resource extraction to survive and in the 20th century these livelihoods became thoroughly entwined with mechanization from top to bottom. On top of needing fuel for work, many of them must drive long distances just to shop for necessities. They will fight like wildcats for fossil fuels until they can see how to live without them.

― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Saturday, 10 October 2020 bookmarkflaglink

You've just ignored polling data showing a more complicated picture of a public that will embrace it once they are shown that they will be talked around with a plan.

Tomboto's winning the senate is just laughable in a country where the Presidency is so much of the focus.

Climate change didn’t really become a public issue until 1988.

Back To The Future came out in 1985

Tombot's running for Senate?

«... a public that will embrace it once they are shown that they will be talked around with a plan»

Haven’t seen the underlying data, but gotta say this doesn’t seem all too likely in rural USA

so glad to hear that t is no longer contagious.
Hope he goes around not infecting further people who should ideally be able to trust his word.

Hope the sanity prevails in a few weeks time and he doesn't spend his last 2 months in the house having a hammer party.

I don't believe a word of it.

nah nor do I.

BUt wouldn't put the hammer party idea past him, he's no longer going to need the premises and the garden's already been wrecked of historic ties.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/elections/2020/10/10/texas-counties-again-limited-to-one-mail-in-ballot-drop-off-location-after-federal-appeals-court-decision/

Trump appointees on federal appeals court overrule District Court and all Texas governor to limit number of mail-in ballot drop off boxes

tldr: Texas Gov. Abbott's order restricting counties from having multiple ballot drop boxes is back on for now. Response brief due Oct. 12.

Note that this panel features not one, not two, but three judges who are on Trump's SCOTUS short list.

— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) October 10, 2020

Good morning!

And this almost more than anything is why I can't wait to see the GOP ground into the dirt forever. They would simply cease to exist as a viable party if they didn't cheat at every fucking turn.

Worth a read: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/11/politics/democrats-stressed-election/index.html

winning the senate is just laughable in a country where the Presidency is so much of the focus.

― xyzzzz__

wow you really, REALLY don't understand US politics at all, please get banned immediately and STFU

of all the bullshit you post, this is what has absolutely pushed me over the edge, you smug bourgie fuck

Just filled out our vote by mail ballot. Pretty straight forward, came with tons of instructions. And yet, there's a dense field of text on the outside of the envelope where you're supposed to fill in how long you've lived at your current address that *we almost missed*. And weirdly, it's not something the otherwise thorough instructions goes to any effort to emphasize. I wonder how many other people will miss it?

sounds like tehre are different hoops to jump through in a number of area's postal electoral bumf.
Really hoping that isn't going to allter the results a lot. But think I'm already hearing some that have.

Is this something that people will look into simplifying after the election for any later elections? or does it have any positive effect?

yeah Josh, I'm still an Illinois voter & we had to write the county clerk to get clarity on that task, not just because we live overseas but because the text on the envelope is so weirdly written. ugh.

winning the senate is just laughable in a country where the Presidency is so much of the focus.

― xyzzzz__

If we'd won the Senate in 2016, Trump woulda been kneecapped

xpost What did they say? I can't imagine it would have been a dealbreaker if we missed it, unless someone made a stink.

Re: the mail ballot stuff. Sigh. Sympathy and hope to you all.

Early on the morning of the third of November I am going to walk the two blocks to my daughter's elementary school gym and wait patiently for however long it takes to vote, exactly as I have done since circa 1990. Masked, six feet apart, carrying my own pen.

No disrespect for those who have voted other ways or who intend to vote other ways. I just personally need, in a visceral way, some assurance that postal or procedural shenanigans aren't going to let ny ballot get "accidentally" lost or delayed or otherwise fucked with.

the main thing we needed help to understand was "service address" since we're not us military stationed overseas. it may be that the excess of text on our envelope as a non-usa resident is different than the excess of text on your residential envelope.

I still plan to wait in line, or whatever it takes, to drop it in the actual ballot box. Lines *and* boxes, best of both worlds! As long as I get a sticker.

i voted by mail in chicago and then got an email 3 days later that said:

Dear Karl Anthony Malone

The Board of Election Commissioners has received your Vote By Mail ballot, and it will be counted.

Thank you for the opportunity to be of assistance!

i was pretty pleased with this outcome.

If we'd won the Senate in 2016, Trump woulda been kneecapped

― LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Sunday, 11 October 2020 bookmarkflaglink

I know the Senate is needed to pass legislation.

All I'm saying is that leaders are a big part of driving change. If the VP flips between yes and no on fracking because jobs then that has an impact.

shut up

Maryland’s mail ballot was quite simple, no weird stuff like the Illinois ballot, just fill it out put it in a privacy envelope, sign the privacy envelope, put it in the outer envelope. I put it in a Dropbox instead of mail and got an email acknowledgment a few days later.

Jaime Harrison, the Democrat challenging Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, raised an astonishing $57 million in the third quarter of 2020, the highest quarterly fund-raising total for any Senate candidate in U.S. history.https://t.co/g6TicpH4DA

— The New York Times (@nytimes) October 11, 2020

eat shit lindsey

I think I saw in the details that when you break it down within the state, 10% of that money came from people in SC. I think 14% of Lindsey's haul came from in state, fwiw.

What happens to money like that if he loses and there’s left overs?

I know the Senate is needed to pass legislation.

All I'm saying is that leaders are a big part of driving change.

A thought experiment to explore this - which would one prefer, a Republican President/Democratic Senate or Democratic President/Republican Senate.

What happens to money like that if he loses and there’s left overs?

First, there better not be much left over in a race like that. Donors want to see that money spent. But if there is, the candidate can use it for a lot of different things — a future run, they can make donations to other people's campaigns, they can repay themselves for any loans they might have made to the campaign, etc.

One of the worst things you can do for your political future is raise a bunch of money, lose the race, and have a lot of cash left over. That does not impress donors.

Harrison has claimed they're going to spend every last penny of it.