"Will you shut up, man?" US Politics October 2020

compared to liberty, peace and prospevfefe, where do you rank democracy?

We want the human condition to flourish.

This is like saying you want the weather to flourish, without specifying if to you that means you want it to be warm and cold. It doesn't flourish, it just is.

*warm OR cold

I think it’s pretty obvious that Republicans realize they are a minority and are justifying to themselves the steps they are taking to entrench minority rule.

totally, there's no going back sheet after Trump

don't know why sheet is in that sentence

I know it's David Frum, but this is OTM.

The Mike Lee comments reminded me of something @davidfrum said in 2018 to @seanilling. https://t.co/83gDQuMCXE pic.twitter.com/pbvQMpdtEX

— Perry Bacon Jr. (@perrybaconjr) October 8, 2020

that's exactly it, frum extremely otm

Here are the facts: President Trump will have posted multiple negative tests prior to the debate

from the trump chickening out of the virtual debate response.

...we still don't know when his last negative test was, right? (everyone is assuming they won't reveal this because it will also reveal that trump doesn't take regular tests. the last negative he got may have been from weeks ago, who knows)

Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman appear at their felony arraignment in Michigan pic.twitter.com/eILEVfdpc6

— Will Sommer (@willsommer) October 8, 2020

The prosecutor in the Jack Wohl case says Wohl and Burkman showed up to their arraignment with a film crew and a stack of $100 bills, to flourish when they paid their bail. Now the prosecutor wants a $1 million bail.

— Will Sommer (@willsommer) October 8, 2020

incredible

ha

must have been quite a sight as two rich white pricks made a lavish display of their wealth in a docket full of cases in which the accused was unable to afford bail and thus was sent to a COVID-jail as punishment until their court date finally comes up

that's exactly it, frum extremely otm

that's exactly it, frum extremely otm

solid chance those $100 bills were fake

and yet no one kneeled on their necks

frum otm*

*on the mount, of execution

xps

Wohl and Burkman allegedly targeted voters in Michigan, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Illinois, making a total of around 85,000 calls in August. The calls claimed to come from a group called “Project 1599, a civil rights organization founded by Jack Burkman and Jacob Wohl,” and they were aimed at areas with large Black populations, urging them to not “be finessed into giving your private information to the man.”

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Each charge against the pair carries a five- or seven-year sentence if they are convicted in Michigan — adding up to a maximum 12 years as some sentences for the charges would be concurrent.

to hell with pete, but this is the correct way to respond to trump's refusing to debate

It's too bad Trump is afraid to debate next week. pic.twitter.com/4juvdgPfE7

— Pete Buttigieg (@PeteButtigieg) October 8, 2020

He responded well to Fox drones questioning him on Kamala's being pro-Medicaid For All before joining Biden's ticket, too, asking instead why supposed Christian Pence would team up with a man "who gets caught with pornstars"

Oh god, I just realized who Buttigieg reminds me of

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AncientLastBighorn-size_restricted.gif

Got to admit Buttigieg seems to have a good grasp of how to respond to a talking head in the way Republicans do... quick off the mark and never hesitate or pause so you can't be interrupted until you've nailed all your talking points

Just hits weird because everything he's saying is true and not complete horseshit

“Tomorrow we are going to be talking about the 25th Amendment,” Pelosi says

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) October 8, 2020

would have been nice 4 years ago, but ok

In the year 2525

The Democrats really need to find ways of stealing the attention and controlling the narrative right now. The Trump team is about to run with a bunch of utter scandal horseshit on Biden from these "declassified files." My hope is that the media doesn't even take the bait because it's too flimsy, but Trump is definitely going to be looking for ways to dominate the conversation. They always have tricks up their sleeves and I feel like the Democrats get caught sleeping. I'm really uncomfortable with the passive "let's just let Trump show everyone how awful he is" strategy. Trump may have looked crazy (TO US) in those videos, but he looked strong, and plus if he actually is "cured" a lot of people will think recovery is around the corner thanks to the Regeneron miracle drug. And, again, it will make him look strong. Don't underestimate how much people respond to that.

No idea whether the 25A thing is about that or not, and have no opinion on it without knowing more.

The Democrats really need to find ways of stealing the attention and controlling the narrative right now.

on the other hand, almost every indicator is that the Democrats are going to dominate.

and trump dropping out of a debate is cowardly - unless he reverts that dumb decision, it will dominate the next week

also - if trump doesn't show up, does biden just get a free 2 hours on tv?

in a town hall format?

xxxp pelosi loollllll

It's my impression the Dems are dominating because the lying sack of shit of a president is sick, and Biden-Harris have kept selling an alternative America.

I hope they just carry on with the debate as planned.

'Mr. President, sixty seconds for rebuttal.

...

Mr. President?

...

Mr. President, the clock is ticking.'

Don't underestimate how much people his base will respond to that.

It's my impression the Dems are dominating because the lying sack of shit of a president is sick, and Biden-Harris have kept selling an alternative America.

yeah. for better or worse, democrats aren't driving this election. it's an uncomfortable feeling, sitting back and letting trump continue to undermine his own campaign, because it places the control in his hands. but it's too late, at this point. the 2020 election is about trump, and it has been since january 2016.

I'm not sure what control he's got? Explain it to me. The White House is a petrie dish. He nixed the stimulus bill. He's likely to lose.

Don't confuse "control" with "making the news."

Besides, with the Michigan news today...

replace "control" with "strongly influence", maybe? no one has "control" in the literal sense, except our lord and personal savior jesus christ.

but he can strongly influence what the last month of this election is about, in a way that democrats cannot. he just chooses to use his influence in constantly idiotic ways.

Opting out of the debate would be a huge blunder to the degree that, so far behind, the two debates were literally the last legitimate (I stress "legitimate") Hail-Mary hope he had. There's nothing else left--turnarounds in COVID, the economy--in a 25-day window. Nothing.

Trump can fight his way out of a corner. He does it over and over again and people keep assuming he'll trip himself up. MAYBE this time it's different, I just wouldn't bet the farm on it.

I don't underestimate him, but neither do I think Biden's in a passive or losing position.

I know what you're saying, but I just can't see it. Three months ago, I thought everything was set up for a perfect storm in the last few weeks: a COVID breakthrough, the economy in clear recovery, some other bit of a good news for him. Those doors seem closed. Outside of interference, I can't see anything.

Thinking of Alaphillipe on the LBL the other day, need to keep focussed until the last moment. Sure Biden won’t be complacent but I won’t relax until after the election.

and people are voting already

oh yeah, for sure. i am the opposite of relaxed, i assume everyone else is too

xp

As time ticks down and the stupid and reckless moves cascade and snowball, it's getting increasingly difficult to see how Trump can possibly fight his way out of the massive hole he's dug for himself, especially when he is showing zero inclination to correct course whatsoever. I know Biden's passive strategy is frustrating, but it's worked remarkably well, and nothing has happened that suggests he needs to change it up.

And this is happening in Florida.

Biden should debate Clint Eastwood's chair.

I think if anyone in the WH outbreak dies that might seal things. If everyone clearly recovers and Trump seems fine it might make it look like his approach is vindicated. Although it's so down to the wire in terms of timing that it may be too late for something like that.