"Will you shut up, man?" US Politics October 2020

man, just put Bernie on TV and let him campaign

congratulation to America on getting its very own Miranda Devine and it turning out to be Miranda Devine

Even Stephen Miller's wife can't stand to be around him long enough to infect him.

― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Tuesday, October 6, 2020 5:58 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Underrated post

At least Bernie should write Biden's tweets

xpost Didn't catch it from the person he presumably shares a bed with but did catch it from his boss, makes u think

Aw

Trump still at times sounded like he was trying to catch air. Officials conceded the president was not getting tested every day before his diagnosis. https://t.co/JdOETmfxYk

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) October 7, 2020

because this reddit was mentioned upthread (or maybe in another poli-thread), popped in to check on the true believer scum re: stimulus and the depths of their stupidity never ceases to amaze

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskTrumpSupporters/comments/j6bb5j/what_is_your_opinion_on_delaying_negotiations_for/

Very Secret Honor

Aides said that Mr. Trump made calls from the White House on Tuesday and roamed the areas of the presidential residence that had been set up for him. Although he was described as itching to get back into the Oval Office and show that he was in charge, a potential live address to the nation was discussed but scrapped in favor of a planned taped one.

There was a panel talking about Trump's abandonment of the relief bill. First, the obvious interpretation, blackmail: elect me or (since you'd be looking at February, at least) perish. Then someone suggested it was another example of Trump caring about no one except himself...but then just as quickly called that into question, since this would likely be politically disastrous for him: it would give a few more million people a reason to hate him, and his beloved stock market would putter along or worse. Nothing but personal pique, another person offered: another middle finger to his enemies. They all made sense.

"Always remember: others may hate you, but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them, and then you destroy yourself."

I've always believed the person who said that understood the full weight of those words. I don't believe the guy living them out right now really does.

"Always remember: others may hate you, but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them, and then you destroy yourself."

I've always believed the person who said that understood the full weight of those words. I don't believe the guy living them out right now really does.

― clemenza, Tuesday, October 6, 2020

otm

- Bob Marley

I'll hate whoever I damn well please, starting with these fascist monsters

GTFO with that high road bullshit

Didn't catch it from the person he presumably shares a bed with

Impregnated her by climbing a ladder in the corner of her bedroom and shuddering into a long, flexible funnel.

xp I had the impression Clemenza was referring to Trump there?

Yeah...I'm not sure that means.

Trump's hatred will be death of him if it's Covid

sometimes COVID smells like halothane

fwiw I do think trump is destroying himself and the republican party with hate.

I don’t think we get anywhere with that kind of animosity

yes, I am familiar with your privileged stance on the issue and don't wish to discuss it further

smells like halothane

With the masks on
It's less dangerous

(Not what you were referring to, I know, but still)

The weird thing is, as twisted as Nixon's hatred was, I can at least makes sense of where it was rooted: he had to turn down a Harvard law scholarship and stay in Whittier because his brother was dying, and for the rest of his life he was consumed by a burning resentment of "the Harvard boys" and Kennedys and privilege (which branched out to a million other hatreds).

Where does Trump's hatred come from? The fortune he was given as a kid?

Speaking of mysterious, burning hate, Sleeve, you're off on your own planet, as you often are.

hate can be extremely good actually

Or to put it another way, what in the Jesus fuck are you talking about?

I thought we’d already established that it all boils down to daddy issues.

Trump has the same hatred of the Harvard Boys

he's been spewing bile at the from across the east river for decades

Isn’t it pretty well known that Trump is despised by virtually everyone who’s actually successful

Definitely some overlap with Nixon, although they were so profoundly different in other ways.

Biden's best idea is a calming down of the rhetoric

Speaking of mysterious, burning hate, Sleeve, you're off on your own planet, as you often are.

― clemenza, Wednesday, October 7, 2020 2:12 AM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

sleeve's anger and annoyance is very understandable imo. your schtick on the other hand .. isn't off on its own planet really, it's just permanently stuck in the 70s.

Everyone knows Alex’s great bit about his hate being pure. If you don’t know the story, it’s a tradition that Alex inherited from his editor Jim Goode who’d test Alexander’s morale and commitment to the good fight by asking him if his “hate” for the powerful was truly pure. Alex would then put the same question to his interns at the Nation. One such intern, a young Ed Miliband, soon to be the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, replied with shock that he did not, in fact, hate anyone. As Alex put it: “It’s all you need to know.”

and dan s, i would also appreciate you toning down the kumbaya stuff esp. since you've revealed you're not exactly working class

I'm a '70s guy, I don't deny that. Not sure that invalidates the post that started all this.

fwiw I do think trump is destroying himself and the republican party with hate.

Is he? 2008-2009 would like a word.

i'm not saying it does and i think sleeve probably misread you though i can't speak for him. xp

Should Biden win and, let's hope, flip the Senate, the work gets harder. Not only have we to clean up this asshole's messes, we gotta watch our asses: the GOP will turn 2022 into 2010, i.e. Koch-funded local insurrections based, this time, on COVID spending. We'll be back to those February 2010 arguments about DEBT and OUR CHILDREN WHAT WILL WE DO

It’s ok to actively hate *and* understand that if too sustained for too many years it will burn you up.

Doesn’t mean hating hard on these motherfuckers now isn’t the only sane response.

Demographics are destiny, Republicans can't win a national election, Texas is on the verge of turning purple if not blue etc. etc. etc. - all things foretold from 2008 to 2012 in the wake of what seemed like high tide for evangelical conservatism. Doubling down on hate (with some choice funding from billionaires) has enabled the GOP to keep playing an active role in governance even while they have been rejected by a majority of Americans for all of our adult lives.

If Democrats refuse to rein in the existence and freedom of billionaires in any meaningful way, they are just going to enable the ability of the GOP to rule as a minority.

Although a mistake to think anger and hate are synonymous, I've take enormous comfort from PiL's "anger is an energy" bit in "Rise." Queer brown people, take heart. That Lydon's a Trump asshole make the irony more delicious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzNjmIWbns4

To make clear something I wouldn't think would need to be made clear, I was, in the initial post, referring to the kind of all-consuming hatred that Nixon (with some self-awareness) and Trump (with none) share, and that--yes--eventually burns you up. More targeted hatred, sure, I'm all for it, and practice it often (though less than I used to, nearing 60).

AZ is going to have 2 Dem senators and could vote Dem for Prez too. Hard to see its swing towards blue reversing or even halting.

I feel like people are going to look upon the Trump era differently than they did GWB era. With Dubya I think there was this feeling that, as horrible as he was, in a sense he got unlucky. 9/11 happened. The wars (which most of Congress approved of) were just a nonstop comedy of errors. The idea that "maybe we should let everyone take a bad loan to buy a house" wound up being disastrous. Now obviously there was a ton of patently evil shit and misdirection that went on but Dubya was a guy who, when the shit really hit the fan, people could talk themselves into liking. Trump on the other hand has none of that. Everything he does and says is based on spite and/or false information. He is one of the most awful, incompetent, and unpleasant men in US political history, and nearly every crisis he encountered was entirely of his own making. The fact that the entire GOP minus like one or two people fell in line behind him is something I don't think people are going to forget in 2 years. But who knows! I'm always wrong about this stuff!

I got puddin’ pie banana, dixie cups
All flavors and push ups too
I'm your ice cream man, baby, stop me when I'm passin' by
See now all my flavors are guaranteed to satisfy

Oh he’s on one tonight with the tweets

another good post frogbs

Oh he’s on one tonight with the tweets

Yeah, the steroids must really be kicking in.

The fact that the entire GOP minus like one or two people fell in line behind him is something I don't think people are going to forget in 2 years.

I can't even begin to formulate the kind of amnesia and backflips and rationales these people are going to try to sell when Trump's gone. I really can't, or how successful they'll be.

If you’re more worried about @realDonaldTrump unmasking on a balcony with no one close to him than you were by the Obama/Biden administration unmasking (aka illegally spying on) their political opponents, my diagnosis is you have TDS, & my prescription is to put down your phone.

— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) October 6, 2020

This bootlicking worm! Remember when daddy was the cool rebel Republican for people who didn't know they were fascists yet?