People that you've never heard of, people that are in the dark shadows -- US Politics September 2020

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Uhhhh...

BREAKING NEWS: President Donald Trump's former campaign manager is reportedly in a Fort Lauderdale hospital after barricading himself in his home, armed and making threats. https://t.co/IHbkg1kHdV

— WPLG Local 10 News (@WPLGLocal10) September 28, 2020

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 28 September 2020 00:55 (three years ago) link

He started early.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 September 2020 01:00 (three years ago) link

Lol

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Monday, 28 September 2020 01:00 (three years ago) link

Alternately, he read the NYT story and realized that maybe he wasn’t getting any more money.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 September 2020 01:01 (three years ago) link

Forthcoming Trump campaign statement: he was a minor functionary who may have brought us coffee once

velcro-magnon (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 28 September 2020 01:01 (three years ago) link

The state with the prettiest name!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 September 2020 01:04 (three years ago) link

Well, that's two major stories in one Sunday. We've got a couple more hours for a third.

Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 28 September 2020 01:07 (three years ago) link

Noooo Parscale don’t do it you’re so sexy haha

frogbs, Monday, 28 September 2020 01:15 (three years ago) link

xp - What, the Rock's endorsement doesn't count as a major story to you?

Fetchboy, Monday, 28 September 2020 01:24 (three years ago) link

Rock's endorsement video is interesting in that he doesn't mention Trump once

frogbs, Monday, 28 September 2020 01:27 (three years ago) link

on brand with his stay positive crap

Nhex, Monday, 28 September 2020 01:28 (three years ago) link

I guess The Rock counts but I 100% expect to wake up to at least one more bonkers story

Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 28 September 2020 01:29 (three years ago) link

Raymond Cummings raises a good point. We have not yet heard from Hulk Hogan.

velcro-magnon (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 28 September 2020 01:34 (three years ago) link

lol

Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 28 September 2020 01:35 (three years ago) link

I don’t know who’s considering what - Warren would 86 the filibuster and Bernie would pack the court and so on, but Schumer doesn’t want to eliminate the filibuster, no one in the moderate and elderly part of the Senate wants to pack the court, and there’s no chance they admit two new states on a 51-49 party line vote.

People are scaremongering about the Court if the GOP regained power but they’d be much quicker to create East, West and Central Dakota if they hold all three bodies again.

― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Sunday, September 27, 2020 4:22 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

OK, so why does this make Ezra Klein credulous? I think he would largely agree with you on all of this.

jaymc, Monday, 28 September 2020 01:35 (three years ago) link

Hulk Hogan endorses Peter Thiel for whatever

Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 28 September 2020 01:35 (three years ago) link

I was just going to reference that shit heel Thiel

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 28 September 2020 01:36 (three years ago) link

OK, so why does this make Ezra Klein credulous? I think he would largely agree with you on all of this.

According to him, he does not agree with me, he thinks all of that is very much possible:
"I’m not going to call this a prediction, but it is a possibility."

"... and the vision of the Senate that he is convincing Democrats to embrace, the reforms he might, at last, convince them to make."

"The singular lesson Senate Democrats learned from the Obama years was McConnell simply wouldn’t let them govern if they retook the majority." - Ezra apparently has not heard Joe Biden speak?

etc.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 28 September 2020 01:44 (three years ago) link

OK, well, I think it's possible, too. I don't think it will be easy (cf. Joe Manchin's comments on court packing today), but I don't think it's impossible, as you seem to think so many things are. (Biden is still polling within spitting distance in Texas, btw.)

jaymc, Monday, 28 September 2020 01:52 (three years ago) link

I think lots of things are possible. I don't know how you can live in 2020 and think you know how everything's going to shake out.

jaymc, Monday, 28 September 2020 01:53 (three years ago) link

Jaymc otm

velcro-magnon (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 28 September 2020 01:58 (three years ago) link

social security / medicare = for all

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 28 September 2020 02:11 (three years ago) link

Sometimes the day is ending and I repeat the nightly news to my husband and just go, "Well okay," then we make passionate love.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 28 September 2020 02:16 (three years ago) link

My favorite Faye Dunaway line from Network.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 September 2020 02:18 (three years ago) link

I don't know how you can live in 2020 and think you know how everything's going to shake out.

Because I’m listening to Biden and Biden’s team and Schumer and Feinstein and Manchin and etc. tell me all the things that aren’t possible.

The Democratic Party that wipes away the filibuster, packs the court and grants statehood to DC and Puerto Rico is a fantasy.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 28 September 2020 02:42 (three years ago) link

Maybe they’ll need to nibble at the filibuster to pass a budget - but we saw how that works in 2013. The whole thing isn’t going away, but we’ll make sure the Pentagon budget can climb over $800bn.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 28 September 2020 02:44 (three years ago) link

OK. Then capture the Democratic Party and make it a reality. But don't expect any of those outcomes to be handed to you because you like them.

If "politics is the art of the possible", then the job of progressives is to make their policies possible. The way to do that is to accrue enough political power to find candidates and back them with enough votes to win elections. Believe it or not, this is somewhat less of a mountain to climb than fomenting a proletarian revolution.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 28 September 2020 02:49 (three years ago) link

But don't expect any of those outcomes to be handed to you because you like them.

That wasn't the question, the question was "why is Ezra Klein credulous."

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 28 September 2020 02:51 (three years ago) link

Ezra Klein may have said those things were possible, but he was careful not to say how possible he thought they were. iow, his credulity in this regard was played very close to the vest.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 28 September 2020 02:58 (three years ago) link

Then capture the Democratic Party and make it a reality.

Believe it or not, this is somewhat less of a mountain to climb than fomenting a proletarian revolution.

idk these seem about equally difficult to me

get a mop and a bucket for this Well Argued Prose (Simon H.), Monday, 28 September 2020 02:58 (three years ago) link

if i had to guess, that suggests that he has more on his mind than trump losing. there are lots of rumors swirling about him siphoning off the campaign financing to personal ends

Karl Malone, Monday, 28 September 2020 03:04 (three years ago) link

in order to drain the swamp it was necessary to create another larger swamp to drain it into

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 28 September 2020 03:08 (three years ago) link

MSNBC says this report is sending "shockwaves through the White House."

I find that very hard to believe--surely they've known for years this was coming out sooner or later.

clemenza, Monday, 28 September 2020 03:15 (three years ago) link

But Brad seemed like such a nice young man!

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 28 September 2020 03:25 (three years ago) link

It's always the greed. Brad, despite siphoning off millions, no doubt invested those millions in some stupid scheme.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 September 2020 03:30 (three years ago) link

As I said, 750 is somehow more offensive than 0

Well that was quick — the Biden team just released their first ad on the reporting released today on Trump’s taxes in the @nytimes pic.twitter.com/Cw51FUof8g

— Grace Panetta (@grace_panetta) September 28, 2020

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 28 September 2020 03:34 (three years ago) link

The NYT tax story is really a breakthrough in reporting and presentation. It's thorough and dense for those looking to parse details, but there's one punchline detail that folks will remember for a long time: $750.

— Ryan Mac 🙃 (@RMac18) September 28, 2020



Good move to put it in the first sentence

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 28 September 2020 03:38 (three years ago) link

i've already had 3 or four friends use as their statuses "I paid more in taxes than that in 2016 and 2017!" and those kindsa points are spreading.

that....isn't a bad way to illuminate further the ridiculousness of it.

civilian friends of mine who aren't rich paid more in 2016 and 2017 than the President. not because he didn't pay any, but cos heo nly paid $750.

caek otm

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Monday, 28 September 2020 04:07 (three years ago) link

tomorrow's news - Trump resigns.

Pence is promoted to President.

Pence pardons Trump and makes him his VP.

Pence resigns.

Trump is now President.

Trump nominates Pence as his VP.

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Monday, 28 September 2020 04:11 (three years ago) link

#SCsen:
Graham (R-inc) 45% (+1)
Harrison (D) 44%@YouGovAmerica/@CBSNewsPoll, LV, 9/22-25https://t.co/u7KYVZX1Tr

— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) September 27, 2020

he won't lose, but what if he did...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/25/lindsey-graham-begs-for-cash-421952

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 28 September 2020 04:16 (three years ago) link

I just kicked in $10 to Graham's opponent, Harrison. I want Lindsey Graham sweating bullets when the confirmation hearings start.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 28 September 2020 04:24 (three years ago) link

https://t.co/RUQxbxIXUE pic.twitter.com/ByWCvCc4n0

— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) September 28, 2020

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 28 September 2020 04:40 (three years ago) link

As I said, 750 is somehow more offensive than 0

I think it's more insulting, in a way. Someone who owes zero, we all know about tax write-offs and whatever. But 750 means that he's claiming some paltry amount of income, which just seems ridiculous.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 28 September 2020 05:20 (three years ago) link

it's like why a penny tip is more insulting than stiffing the waiter

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Monday, 28 September 2020 05:40 (three years ago) link

idk for me it’s more the confirmation that there’s the hidden lever or the secret handshake that gets you that deal

not the amount, not the math of how it works out but the deal that made it “ok”

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 September 2020 06:31 (three years ago) link

you live your whole life knowing thats how it works, but seeing it in writing is just

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 September 2020 06:32 (three years ago) link

xps:

US banks won't lend Trump money since the early aughts. Most of his loans appear to be through Deutsche Bank's US private wealth management business. And why would Deutsche Bank lend to a notorious deadbeat?

ForensicNews.net: Deutsche Bank’s loans to Donald Trump were underwritten by Russian state-owned VTB Bank

Hard to say where Trump's actual net worth stands. Without consideration of debt, Forbes goes property by property and still gets $2.5 billion. Much is minority interests in properties with reasonable assessments, and Forbes isn't counting intangibles like whatever value the Trump brand may still have. So if Trump's personal liabilities are limited to the $413 million debt due in the next 4 years, + maybe IRS clawback of a $72 million refund the IRS is auditing, he'll still have a more comfortable retirement than any of us can hope for.

However, the NYT piece to my knowledge doesn't mention any longer maturity debt. Supposedly it's just the first of many planned features from the tax returns. And Trump still faces potential liability from the thousand+ civil cases. My worthless guess, between the $250 million tangible net worth the NYT reported in 2005, property appreciation, and ill-gotten gains, he could still be in the higher 9 digits.

Disgraced, committing sudoku (Sanpaku), Monday, 28 September 2020 08:17 (three years ago) link

what’s interesting is that he’s utterly worthless

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 28 September 2020 09:07 (three years ago) link

tomorrow's news - Trump resigns.

Pence is promoted to President.

Pence pardons Trump and makes him his VP.

Pence resigns.

Trump is now President.

Trump nominates Pence as his VP.

― LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Monday, 28 September 2020 05:11 (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

We feed the cats to the rats, the rats to the cats, and get the skins for free!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 28 September 2020 09:46 (three years ago) link


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