People that you've never heard of, people that are in the dark shadows -- US Politics September 2020

The point of noise is that you don't know which specific outrage to pay attention to, so we do the same freakout over each outrage.

Absolutely. I just think the "we'll see what happens" response to a question about peaceful handover of power is high on the level of "freakout worthy". It seems some on this thread disagree with that, which surprises me. That's all.

Once again I agree with milo! Finish your drinks

“He says the people swallow Clorox and we hear about it for the rest of our lives but he’s trying to have the constitution of the United States swallow Clorox.” @SpeakerPelosi on @realDonaldTrump refusal to commit to a peaceful transfer of power following the Nov. 3 election. pic.twitter.com/ecp3yIPjVJ

— Vladimir Duthiers (@vladduthiersCBS) September 24, 2020

If there was ever material for one of these thread titles it's "He's trying to have the Constitution of the United States swallow Clorox."

It's a little flabbergasting to me that people ever thought "law and order" applied to people with power.

That’s good for you. Some of the rest of us aspire to achieve greater justice in this country instead of winning at cynicism

I mean if you genuinely take that stance I wonder why you would ever support any politician of any stripe?

I don't!

Also, achieving greater justice in this country comes from creating the conditions for ideas of justice to flourish, not electing some asshole who has degrees from Harvard.

In this way, it is you who are actually cynical.

Sigh.

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Has there been any talk of post election mobilization if there is any electoral fuckery?

Also his aide is a piece of shit - making it sound like counting every vote is "extreme" and that we should be ok with stopping the count on election day. Some states only require it being postmarked by election day, for one

I remember thinking "it's kinda refreshing to hear a Republican admit that they can't win if everyone votes" but I didn't consider what that actually meant

Sighing because I refuse to let you call me cynic? It must be pretty disappointing, I guess.

I mean, I get that we simply disagree a lot, Tomboto, that's fine. But to call my ideological perspective cynical, particularly given the work that I do and have been doing for the past decade-plus of my life, is just inaccurate and insulting.

no, because I don't have the interest to discuss with you why "creating the conditions" and desiring to influence things via politics (especially by holding politicians accountable) aren't mutually exclusive

I don't take much that people say on this board personally.

unless they're accusing me of being some kind of iron-fisted moderator seeking to crush heterodox views from the boards. because that wasn't even true when I used to ban people.

butth0le!11!1!

"flood the zone with shit" continues to be impactful until we choose to stop having our conversations based on the inside of the toilet

I flood the zone with shit
Upon my liar's chair

Neanderthal, you exposed your password upthread

He should capitalize the 'b' to make it more secure.

I'm less worried about Trump 'stealing' the election than by him winning legitimately with like 11,000 votes. Which is still totally possible, due to the archaic vagaries of the EC.

i'm worried about a great many things which is why I don't like to look beyond today.

but it's hard not to

lol @ DJP's post

my butthole is my passport verify me

"This money is 'cause they hate my guts." Yes, and?

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on FOX just now: "My opponent will raise $100 million ... I'm being killed financially. This money is 'cuz hate my guts." pic.twitter.com/hqMIqpdUoe

— The Recount (@therecount) September 24, 2020

speaking of buttholes

ladybug-decorated ones

I guess being a sycophantic Trump lapdog cracklicker doesn't pay like it used to...

I think a lot of the disconnect is the gaping maw between most actions an individual can take and any effect they will have

for instance I'm voting (probably in person, my poll site changed though so I need to figure out how to get there), volunteering (though I'm being lax), am considering signing up as a poll worker, but I know all of this is really just "taking action" theater because I don't expect any of it to matter

or, rather, a lot of the despair is due to that disconnect

actually think that's otm!

katherine is totally otm, yup.

On the other hand I think a little bit of Kantian categorical imperative thought applies. Act as though your judgements were universalizable.

Ok maybe on an individual basis your voting/advocacy is unlikely to make a difference in the outcome (e.g., you live in Manhattan or in rural Mississippi).

But the actual real results will be the aggregate result of millions of individual actions.

What if EVERYBODY who agrees with you behaved as though their contribution were meaningless? Defeat. So I maintain a commitment to act the way I thik everyone should act, even if my one specific contribution only runs up the score in my safely blue jurisdiction in my safely blue state.

Yup

On a related note, I feel like I need to ramp up my passionate support for the Biden/Harris ticket... not just as an antidote to Trumpism, but on their own merits. Even if I have to fake it, we need to give the impression of genuine support rather than ambivalent acceptance.

I think I'm getting a Biden neck tattoo, today.

If only everyone did that

It's weird that they're not!

I took election judge training today in my county. Felt good man. But I’m i standby and may not be needed.

oh a couple of knee whacks and you're in

I’m not a political smartie like Ryan Grim but I fear Trump will steal the election and it makes me MORE determined to overcome any obstacle to vote. I want to shove my ballot up his ass.

that's what we call "spoilage"

Like, to do the election judge training I was in a conference room with several other people, the first time and be been around so many people indoors since Mid-March. We were masked, but if I get Covid trying to protect the integrity of the system I will have no regrets.

that's what we call "spoilage"

So you can ram it up there again.

for the first time in my life I'm accepting a sign from a friend

I want to shove my ballot up his ass.

― Boring, Maryland

that's what we call "spoilage"

― Neanderthal

Naw, it's fine unless there are hanging chads. So don't leave any chads hanging out.

oh sweet "the Clinton Foundation" is "trending."