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yup

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 21:38 (four years ago) link

Lot's of deceiving propositions on this year's ballot. I'm afraid that one of 19, 22, or 24 is going to pass based on misinformation and laziness.

octobeard, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:02 (four years ago) link

um, 24 should pass and 19 is complicated but i wouldn't call it deceptive

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link

Now the Guv has banned all new gasoline powered cars & trucks.. well, in 15 years.

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:11 (four years ago) link

I’ve been doing way too much Prop 15 phonebanking these days. On behalf of the official campaign, my union, and the statewide DSA effort.

https://jacobinmag.com/2020/09/california-proposition-15-ballot-measure-neoliberalism

john shopkins (naus), Saturday, 26 September 2020 05:56 (four years ago) link

I will be becoming a Californian just in time to vote in this election! Thread bookmarked. Tell me how to votes pls. Yes on 15, what else?

This is all very exciting/overwhelming after 20 years as a mostly disenfranchised DC resident with only the rare ballot measure to vote on.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Saturday, 26 September 2020 11:35 (four years ago) link

Spouse is completely slammed with work on the pres election and anticipated fallout, no time to devote to CA politics, so I will just tell him how to vote. So you are getting two votes for the price of guiding me.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Saturday, 26 September 2020 11:41 (four years ago) link

xxp - the only remotely valid concern I've heard from the Anti-Prop 15 side are worries about property tax increases being passed through to commercial tenants, which there really isn't that much to say about. Will property owners do this? If the leases with their tenants allow it, then probably.

sarahell, Saturday, 26 September 2020 18:17 (four years ago) link

Quincie

here are my ballot measure endorsements if you want to vote the caek slate

15: eliminate part of california's insane, unique property tax break, yes
16: repeal law banning affirmative action, yes
17: allow people on parole to vote, yes
18: allow people who will be 18 years old by general to vote in primary, yes
20: classify more crimes as felonies, collect more DNA, no
21: allow more local rent control, yes
22: undo law that made uber/lyft/etc. drivers employees, no
24: more privacy online, yes
25: replace cash bail (which sucks) with (algorithmic?) risk assesements (which also suck, but maybe a bit less), yes

no opinion: 14 (stem cell money), 23 (dialysis clinics), 19 (technical thing about inheritance of property tax breaks that bundles in some weird stuff about fires and honestly seems kind of weird given who is supporting it)

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Saturday, 26 September 2020 20:51 (four years ago) link

I’m now a weak yes on 19 and an even stronger no on 22 than when I wrote that.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Saturday, 26 September 2020 20:52 (four years ago) link

thanks for reposting that summary, caek

Dan S, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:24 (four years ago) link

California AB5 is a shitshow, and the condescension of its primary sponsor has been irritating in the extreme. kudos to the authors of Prop 22 for coming up with something so much worse I can't wait to vote it down.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:54 (four years ago) link

yes thx caek, helpful to have things summarized down to their essence

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 27 September 2020 01:22 (four years ago) link

you now have to press "confirm" below a message that says "yes on prop 22" to use uber. holy shit https://t.co/8WVgtQuqh7

— chris arvin πŸ’• 🌁 (@chrisarvinsf) September 28, 2020

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Monday, 28 September 2020 19:41 (four years ago) link

ugh

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 September 2020 19:50 (four years ago) link

heil uber ...

sarahell, Monday, 28 September 2020 23:22 (four years ago) link

I really want 16 to win, but it seems to have little support, and Asian groups are opposing it, and this shit didn't help: https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/no-on-prop-16-campaign-highlights-anti-asian-racism-facebook-mistakenly-bans-for-hate-speech/.

akm, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 00:01 (four years ago) link

This guy is worst thing that has happened to the NIKBY movement in years

LOL -- Trump claims (absurdly) that Biden will destroy the suburbs by "abolishing single-family zoning" pic.twitter.com/IyblGkivwW

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) October 1, 2020

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Thursday, 1 October 2020 02:26 (four years ago) link

*NIMBY

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Thursday, 1 October 2020 02:27 (four years ago) link

I don’t know about 23 or 24. Leaning towards no on 23. Of course I support internet privacy, but even the EFF is against 24?? Idk more research needed

brimstead, Thursday, 1 October 2020 03:38 (four years ago) link

is the EFF bad?

brimstead, Thursday, 1 October 2020 03:39 (four years ago) link

it's a mixed bag

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Thursday, 1 October 2020 03:57 (four years ago) link

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/07/why-eff-doesnt-support-cal-prop-24

This November, Californians will be called upon to vote on a ballot initiative called the California Privacy Rights Act, or Proposition 24. EFF does not support it; nor does EFF oppose it.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Thursday, 1 October 2020 03:58 (four years ago) link

ah ok my bad

brimstead, Thursday, 1 October 2020 03:59 (four years ago) link

well, they have some pretty good arguments that it may be net a bad proposition, so i think it's worth considering.

they have a history of libertarianism though, so i'm not 100% sure how seriously to take them on things like this.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Thursday, 1 October 2020 04:01 (four years ago) link

thanks, caek

brimstead, Thursday, 1 October 2020 16:55 (four years ago) link

This is an extremely well done piece illustrating bureaucracy https://t.co/Sqz5tg0fGX

— Eliot Brown (@eliotwb) October 3, 2020

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Saturday, 3 October 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link

We need to get our windows replaced, and we had to pay an β€œexpediter” to get the permit pulled. Without her, we were looking at basically no estimate for when they could get it pulled. With her it happened in one day. Such BS.
(I’m in SF)

DJI, Saturday, 3 October 2020 19:25 (four years ago) link

Who's paying for that Prop? California's $502,000,000+ ballot measure election donor list is topped by DaVita and Uber. Realtors, unions, landlords, and business associations are also big on the list.

Data is from the @CA_FPPC's Top Contributor list at https://t.co/wWsMaT35Hi pic.twitter.com/JcltL56hmE

— Alfred Twu (@alfred_twu) October 3, 2020

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Saturday, 3 October 2020 19:35 (four years ago) link

We need to get our windows replaced, and we had to pay an β€œexpediter” to get the permit pulled. Without her, we were looking at basically no estimate for when they could get it pulled. With her it happened in one day. Such BS.
(I’m in SF)

I learned a hilarious thing about San Francisco and permits the other day (via a Zoning Admin hearing for a project my org is helping legalize -- my job actually involves permit expediting)-- that even if you are going to rent a commercial building (or portion), you have to get a building permit, even if you aren't going to do any construction. There isn't a separate zoning permit (clearance) process like there is in other cities (e.g. Oakland).

sarahell, Saturday, 3 October 2020 20:33 (four years ago) link

given what I know about San Francisco's requirements for grid-tied solar permits, that does not surprise me. don't even get me started on Daly City!

sleeve, Saturday, 3 October 2020 20:34 (four years ago) link

Also, my org had a similar experience with SF DBI where we submitted plans and everything for the building permit online, as per their instructions, and then later got an email saying, essentially, "we lost your stuff" that had been submitted online ...

sarahell, Saturday, 3 October 2020 20:35 (four years ago) link

xp sleeve -- my fave Bay Area small city story was ilxor akm's about Berkeley and the bathroom light switches.

Though back in the pre-covid era, when you would go to SF DBI in person (which I have done), I was actually impressed because they had a system where they would actually text you when your number was about to come up! Like, you weren't stuck waiting in the designated waiting area until your number was called. You could actually do other things! ... In case you had any doubt, Oakland does not have this feature. In Oakland, you sit and wait. And wait. And wait.

sarahell, Saturday, 3 October 2020 20:39 (four years ago) link

But even once those are resolved, the plans will still need approval from a mechanical plan checker at the Department of Building Inspection, the Fire Department, Public Works and the Department of Public Health.

This part is normal. because:
He hired an architect to draw up plans for upgraded electrical and plumbing systems, a front counter and some kitchen equipment. No structural changes were planned, and the outside of the building wouldn’t be touched.

upgrades to electrical and plumbing are basically -- you need a mechanical permit and plan check. Fire can be super simple. Health Dept -- duh -- you are serving food. Idk what Public Works has to do here that's kinda odd, but ...

sarahell, Saturday, 3 October 2020 20:46 (four years ago) link

sometimes i do wonder if i suffer from some sort of stockholm "this is fine" syndrome about these things tho lol

sarahell, Saturday, 3 October 2020 20:50 (four years ago) link

I'm still dealing with the light switch btw, almost a year later and my permit is about to expire. The ordinance mandates that the switch have an auto off and no auto on. So I failed last inspection because it had an auto on.

akm, Saturday, 3 October 2020 22:05 (four years ago) link

omg !!!!

sarahell, Sunday, 4 October 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link

Who's paying for that Prop? California's $502,000,000+ ballot measure election donor list is topped by DaVita and Uber. Realtors, unions, landlords, and business associations are also big on the list.

Data is from the @CA_FPPC's Top Contributor list at https://t.co/wWsMaT35Hi pic.twitter.com/JcltL56hmE

— Alfred Twu (@alfred_twu) October 3, 2020

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 22:01 (four years ago) link

Thread:

It is my burden and my tragedy that I do indeed understand what Trump is trying to say here. Behold, the unholy mishmash of California water policy, salmon, agriculture, and of course the unfortunate delta smelt. A THREAD: https://t.co/S6ParBisp8

— Miriam Goldstein (@MiriamGoldste) October 9, 2020

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 10 October 2020 05:07 (four years ago) link

ooh good thread! i kinda wondered if that was what he was driving at, though my understanding was vvvvvv limited lol

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 October 2020 06:31 (four years ago) link

Miriam is awesome -- her husband and I were housemates in college!

sarahell, Saturday, 10 October 2020 17:34 (four years ago) link

wow!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 October 2020 17:54 (four years ago) link

she was the person who informed me at a dinner party (a little over 20 years ago) that my sociopathic ex from college was engaged to married.

sarahell, Saturday, 10 October 2020 18:01 (four years ago) link

Also: I discovered a strong enclave of anti Prop 15 people among my fb friends

sarahell, Saturday, 10 October 2020 18:09 (four years ago) link

When the New York Times is endorsing the no side of your California ballot measure you’ve fucked up

"It seems that these companies would sooner destroy their own businesses than grant workers the dignity of comprehensive benefits, guaranteed wages or unemployment insurance." https://t.co/WLm43Q32dl

— Matt Pearce πŸ¦… (@mattdpearce) October 13, 2020

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 01:35 (four years ago) link

aiui these companies do not have businesses, in the sense of profit-making enterprises

lukas, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 01:38 (four years ago) link

spent a fair amount of time this weekend discussing/debating prop 15 with anti-15 folks -- partly around the issue of "does live/work housing qualify as residential" ... does it qualify in its entirety or only in part ...

sarahell, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 01:57 (four years ago) link

Does their live/work housing draw in >$3M per year? Do they own or rent? Prop 15 does not apply to residential or agricultural properties. Should your homies or their landlords be making more than $3M/Y, shouldn’t they just pay their fair share of property tax? Statewide median income is closer to $59k (last I checked)

john shopkins (naus), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 05:45 (four years ago) link

*sigh* yeah, some of these dudes are definitely libertarian bros and the fact that the tax money will benefit poor people in their cities are totally absent from their considerations.

The point they keep raising is the fact that, due to the nature of many commercial leases, the landlords will pass the increases down to the tenants who will then be unable to afford the rents on their shops and studios.

The big question for me (outside of how live/work is categorized and whether "use as residence" requires the building be thoroughly up to code with all the permits) is how the buildings are assessed -- how is this current value determined.

sarahell, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link

The point they keep raising is the fact that, due to the nature of many commercial leases, the landlords will pass the increases down to the tenants who will then be unable to afford the rents on their shops and studios.

this is not how rates the markets sets rents. rents are set by supply and demand. you'd think a libertarian would know this. proof of this: commercial rates did not go down after the passage of prop 13.

we should not mess up live/work/own if we can help it, but tbh i'm fine with quite a lot of collateral damage in service of the goal of dismantling prop 13 (i.e. stopping wealth transfer from young poor people to old rich people), and how many people actually own and live in commercial space right now? it can't be that many. a few thousand statewide?

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 20:00 (four years ago) link


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