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― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 August 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

friends forever

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex in NYC utterly and absolutely OTM.

― Symplistic (shmuel), Thursday, 19 August 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 03:56 (twenty-one years ago)

yes

― Symplistic (shmuel), Thursday, 19 August 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

fite

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 August 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

how hot is lorraine bracco in this movie

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"i have to admit... it turned me on!"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

And here's an on-topic question to loop it back around: Why did Scorsese pick Sid Vicious' "My Way" for the end credits?

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...) (webmail), August 18th, 2004 10:55 PM. (vassifer) (later) (link)

because both sid vicious and henry hill were self-destructive louts whose following their id only got them into terrible trouble? (also the ironic wink to sinatra--it's a mob movie after all.) it seems a beautifully appropriate choice to me.

btw this movie rules, but casino is even better.

― amateur!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 19 August 2004 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i beg to differ, casino kinda falls apart in the last act don't you find?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not like After Hours is objectively the best Scorcese movie, but it is my favorite Scorcese movie.

― Symplistic (shmuel), Thursday, 19 August 2004 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

that's how I feel about Casino though I find Goodfellas more entertaining.

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 August 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

like casino kinda chokes, while goodfellas just flies in that amazing last half hour (the "last day as a gangster" sequence with the helicopters and the spaghetti and the guns and the coke and the jumpcuts), and you can't beat the ending in the courtroom. that's like my favourite 4th-wall breaking ever!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Pesci and Stone are so amazing in Casino though. Especially Pesci, he's just awesome.

There's an actual would-be-Sinatra character in Goodfellas, that singer at the nightclub.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Thursday, 19 August 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

ah man, i'm too tired and boozed up to explain why i love casino. maybe this weekend.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 19 August 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

but yes: sharon stone.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 19 August 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I always thought that Sid Vicious' version ends GoodFellas because it's a punk-ass way of giving the finger to the old guard (Sinatra, the Italian Mob) like Henry did.

I saw this movie for the first time in the early nineties, when I was a punk teenager. I immediately loved it and watched it again and again and again. It became the first DVD I ever bought, and will probably become the first DVD that I ever rebuy. The one I have now is a flipper!

I watched it six months ago, half expecting that some of the magic would have dimmed since I'm now a grown man in his thirties. I loved it even more. My favorite movie of all time. Fuck The Godfather.

And Good Lord, fuck After Hours at the same time. Is that all there is? He goes to work covered in paint, huzzah for metaphors.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 19 August 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

casino is poop Scorcese has never topped Taxi Driver.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

though I'd like to thank you all for not bringing up Raging Bullshit.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

oh the boxing is just a little too close to dancing for you, Miccio!

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 August 2004 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I just traded in my cheapo Raging Bull DVD because it's "out of print" and Amoeba gave me twenty for it. I admire it but it's not one I'd watch more than once every couple of years, and Luomo and Viktor Vaughn beckoned.

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 August 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't wait to see the documentary and hear the commentary for GoodFellas.

The scene where Henry's car stays parked out front of his girlfriend's apartment, and the night turns to morning.

The jump edits, like when Henry looks out the window and the edit gives him a double take while he's making the sauce.

Tommy's line of "I didn't mean to mess up your floor!" while they're wrapping up Billy Batts. Was that line adlibbed?

Oh, and the deleted scenes. I wonder how much is on there? Dammit, I guess I'll have to get this tomorrow.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 19 August 2004 05:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Get the fuck outta here what're you nuts?
I'm telling ya

― Uh-Huh Him (Enrique), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:01 (twenty-one years ago)

My respect and affection for many people on ILX whom I previosuly respected and held in affection has just nose-dived. Goodfellas? The Breakfast Club? Fuck's sake.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Scorsese can go and fuck a horse, man.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

how can you not like 'goodfellas'?! wtf?

― G-L-O-R-I-A (Enrique), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

scorsese should've directed the breakfast club!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

'The type of movies that become classics'

I can not like it because it's fucking horrible.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)

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― G-L-O-R-I-A (Enrique), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope, still hate it.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:23 (twenty-one years ago)

WRONGITUDE. I know it's an 'Uncut/Hotdog/FilmFour' canon-stuffer n'all but the film rocks ANY house you care to name. It's an objective fact, Nick.

― ENRG (Enrique), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

It does not rock my house. I really dislike it. Not as much as Taxi Driver though.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:29 (twenty-one years ago)

And I love you to bits and know yr half joking wiv the "It's an objective fact" line, but that kind of automatic, unquestionign assumption really pisses me off, whether it's about The Beatles or Scorsese or whoever. NOT everyone has to like these things which are ranked as classic.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:31 (twenty-one years ago)

The tracking shot going into the club is a work of fucking genius. The soundtrack is superb - I defy anyone to do coke-addled paranoia better than the scenes leading up to the arrest of Henry. It covers the food culutre within the mafia lifestyle, the cheapness, the inanity, the casual violence underpinning it. The book is good, but the film takes a great story to another level. My all-time number one film evah.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)

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― Uh-Huh Him (Enrique), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a film I've seen about a million times, and I don't even think about it as a 'favourite' because it's just *there*. 'Taxi Driver' I love also, but in a very different way. I don't care about Scorsese particularly, but these are two amazing films.

― Uh-Huh Him (Enrique), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I think film to me is about something very different to other people who are 'into' films. I really dislike Taxi Driver, and was very disappointed when my brother bought me the DVD of it a few years ago, because a; it showed that we don't really communicate that much or he'd know my antipathy for it and Scorsese, and 2; it's a really dull, canonical choice, "I will buy you this because it is good" instead of "I will buy you this because I think you will enjoy/love it". I bought Emma Short Circuit the other week and she was thrilled.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

you're a fanny.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)

It is good *and* you might love it. 'TD' is sorta sexist and racist perhaps, but other than that it's only an accident that it seems 'obvious'. Lots of obvious films *are* bad (eg 'Easy Rider') but this one isn't.

― ENRG (Enrique), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, cheers RJG, that's just the sort of constructive remark I was praying for.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I defy anyone to do coke-addled paranoia better than the scenes leading up to the arrest of Henry

How about the mountain of blow scenes in Scarface? They should be up there too.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought we were giving opinions.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:01 (twenty-one years ago)

My opinion, then, is that, you're, a dick.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:02 (twenty-one years ago)

you hate the obvious, don't you?

the obvious being that YOU'RE the dick!!!!

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't hate the obvious, I hate lazy cultural experiences. My favourite film is probably Jaws.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:09 (twenty-one years ago)

The soundtrack is superb - I defy anyone to do coke-addled paranoia better than the scenes leading up to the arrest of Henry.

This is the key point I think, no-one, other than say Jonathan Demme or Tarantino can use popular music as a plot device as well as Scorsese. Take the music away it's a fine, well acted, above average mob movie. Put the soundtrack in, it's elevated to a work of genius. Whenever I hear the piano coda of 'Layla' I immediately think of the corpse swimming through the trash (and what a duffer the rest of Clapton's catalogue is).

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

cool.

crosspost

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Point: has anyone changed their opinion of Goodfellas, for better or worse, since the advent of The Sopranos?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think so.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Goodfellas is just such a thoughtless, hollow, unappealing film though. From the way the camera moves and shots are composed to the way the characters interract with each other, everything is about appearance and glamourisation, and glamourisation of really nasty, base, horrible things. And they're neither nasty, base and hollow in a compelling, rubbernecking way, or in a thrilling, exciting way, it's just deadening and unpleasant and empty.

And aside from my dislike of it on an aesthetic and emotional level, there's the whole rhetoric that surrounds it, which works on two levels. The first is the whole "oh but they're gangsters and cool and romantic and italian and just cool and it's such a cool film man I loe it when he shoves that thing in the back of the guy's neck" which is pretty easy to dismiss because it's utterly superficial. And then there's the level above that, which is what Henry's just wandered into, which is the use of film school technical talk to justify liking the film and take the film from being "a film I like" to "a great film", which then engenders a belief in the person delivering the rhetoric that it's absolutely impervious to criticism and that anybody who disagrees is just plain wrong and their opinion not worth considering. That whole "oh but the mis-en-scene is so great, and the lighting on the car outside the house and the way this shot cuts into the next and so on and the way blahblahblah", yes, technically it might be very well put together but that does NOT mean that everyone MUST necessarily like it. And that out-of-hand dismissal of someone else's opinion because you believe yours to be based in fact is total fucking rockism.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:22 (twenty-one years ago)

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