hey gawker dudes. what the fuck is wrong with you?

the isn't really the issue... it's that it's hard to claim authority on this subject as table is doing if you're linking to barstool -- whose rape, abuse, racism, apologia is a million times that of deadspin. there is simply no debate on this... it is essentially the source of the beef between the two sites, hence barstool digging up a 14 year old comment in the first place. it doesn't invalidate what was written in the comment but it undercuts the authority w/ which you can make the argument.

― J0rdan S., Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:09 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

TBF, I have no idea what the fuck Barstool is.

I'm also not claiming authority. I was merely writing, "this guy is a piece of shit." which he is.

Barstool's founder Dave Portnoy recently interviewed Trump in the Oval Office

okay, so now i know. forgive me my lack of knowledge about something which doesn't matter or have any consequence in my life, except as it relates to the former Gawker ecosystem.

like I can't name a single member of any sports team in the city in which I live, and I don't care.

well you said you were "reminding" people, as if others had forgotten a piece of information and you hadn't. to me that implies a position of authority in the argument. anyway since the moral authority of sports bloggers is a subject you appear passionate about, i would suggest reading up on barstool. it might alter your desire to share links from that site.

the thing is you can't tell the story of deadspin w/o talking about sexism, as many articles profiling the site will prove. it's something that is worth confronting -- and the site itself has done so as others have pointed out -- but focusing on that comment more or less misses the forest for the trees on the subject

barstool is garbage that advertises itself openly as garbage, which is helpful.

jordan otm

No need to take a snide tone, Jordan.

I know now, and don't need to investigate any further. I trust when people tell me something is shitty and scummy...particularly when they're excusing something that's shitty and scummy because it was written by someone they like.

uh, i think if the dude was blogging about power tools or denim or even the fucking weather, table would consider him a piece of shit ... i don't think the fact that he blogs about sports is significant here ...

cool well if you're going to post about power tools or denim bloggers don't link to the racist power tools and denim sites, that's all i'm saying

got it!

No need to take a snide tone, Jordan.

I know now, and don't need to investigate any further. I trust when people tell me something is shitty and scummy...particularly when they're excusing something that's shitty and scummy because it was written by someone they like.

― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:15 PM (two minutes ago)

i don't think anybody is excusing it... the writer himself isn't and i don't see anyone in here doing that either. you're being hardline over one 14 year old comment even after acknowledging the very widely understood phenomenon of ppl posting things online when they're younger that they then regret, and i don't think it's very surprising that other ppl are going to take a more moderate view of the situation.

Lol at all these dudes caping for this POS, i'm out.

do we have to dredge up the grocery groin as exhibit A

uh, probably a more potent exhibit A would be some of Jordan's posts and gawker articles ... but ... this isn't my fight.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JegHNEhknlsPMwU/source.gif

as in -- it was the subject of a lot of the first part of this thread -- not to be a dick about it, but it, in itself, is indicative of behavior shifts and attitude shifts, etc.

tell me more about the racist denim sites and if they have a rivary with Summit Ice

A Trump speechwriter used to post to a Japanese selvage denim forum IIRC, then he got canned for being too openly racist and wrote a book about menswear

i'm familiar with that guy, he knew a ton about menswear, too bad he's a lunatic

what was his view on sports

he doesn’t believe they exist

I don't think people itt are "excusing" those posts, just saying it's possible to be a decent person and still have bad things in your internet past. At least I hope that's true!!

not to say this makes it ok but the internet was kind of a different place in the mid 00's, virtually every "humor" site out there was couched in language like that, it was all a gross competition to see who could write the most twisted offensive shit that would "trigger" their parents. and when I go back to old Something Awful or Maddox posts that I remember used to make me laugh as a teenager I'm horrified at how blatantly awful it is. mainly cuz it's not really funny but also because I can't really find the "ironic" distance in there anymore. btw it wasn't just "edgy" humor sites, it was like...everything. Even the music sites I used to hang out on to learn about King Crimson & Genesis and shit were laden with gratuitous sexism and random slurs.

feels like a few things happened since then. one of course is people grew up and/or maybe experienced something that made these sort of gross comments feel 'real' and therefore unfunny. two was the realization that not all these people were like say Seth MacFarlane, who writes a ton of quote-unquote "ironic" shitty & offensive jokes but generally seems to be progressive "IRL", in fact a lot of these people are straight up monsters and at some point you can't really separate "ironic" racism & sexism from the real thing, which you maybe thought didn't exist in those spaces but very much does (see: Barstool). three is that people actually put names to the posts now, there's no longer that "safety net" of "who gives a shit what I post on the internet, nobody knows who I am and this'll be gone in a year anyway", even a site like ILX which seems to be one of the last bastions of the "old internet" (minus a lot of the gross shit) has a userbase where a lot of people seem to know who each other are, can't just hide behind a username like you used to

Where's my post about betting frogbs' pre-woke period is a slaughterhouse

So I'm just going to go on record here and say that I never did any of this stuff so many of you are saying 'everyone did,' and am sort of aghast at the idea that the sort of vile bullshit that I'd always tried to avoid was more embraced than I'd ever thought.

That isn't meant as a holier than thou statement or some sort of self-exoneration-- as I've mentioned, I know I've been a vile asshole at moments, as well as posted very NSFW things here and elsewhere. But few if any of my posts engaged in outright sexism, rape apology, or racism, and I feel like I'm losing my mind as people write 'everyone did this stuff.' because no, not everyone did!

Which doesn't mean that people don't deserve to have these lapses forgiven, particularly if they've changed their thoughts and behaviors accordingly...

But to me, Jordan's point about Deadspin's culture of misogyny above is part of what makes the case of Petchesky more shitty. Like, the guy clearly was engaging in violent rape culture edgelordism before he was hired as a staff writer for the site. He never should have been given a platform in the first place! And imo, he shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt now, mostly because he only apologized when he was called out, whereas much of what other posters here are pointing to was a more organic process of growing up, learning from others, and also learning that "edgy" internet culture is tied irrevocably to the worst elements of human nature, and has been since I was in middle school.

just ftr: https://adequateman.deadspin.com/casual-cruelty-1829327257

much of what other posters here are pointing to was a more organic process of growing up

well, yeah, most of us don't have editors from right-wing sites looking to make us look bad in public, of course his "process" doesn't appear "organic"

Okay. That does seem like a better response than most.

I still am amazed at I guess the 'reality' that so many embraced this cruel, shitvoid internet that was always repellent af to me. Like I remember friends showing me the racier edges of New Grounds back in middle school and not only thinking that it was disgusting, but also thinking that those friends were fucking losers. Have some of them changed? Sure. And so I guess that Petchesky has changed, as have many of you, and don't deserve my holier than thou shit just because we didn't have the same experience.

I appreciate y'all being patient with me as I think and feel through this.

you probably just matured a lot faster than people like me

fwiw I agree that rape jokes are on the extreme end and probably rarer on ILX than in almost any other online space that's been around as long

(not that we all collectively deserve a pat on the head for it or w/ever)

Why is every frogbs post like

DELETED. PLEASE STOP THIS.

Anyways I think this is why we have American fascism because everyone in my generation had this exact same experience"

fp’d

that post should be deleted

Tbf, I was a fat gay punk kid in a public middle school who got a scholarship to a fancy liberal Quaker high school, had a horrible eating disorder, and also had numerous female besties who'd survived sexual assault at some point before high school was over, so I've been pretty much like this for a long time. Don't think it has to do a lot with maturity, necessarily, but probably more to do with environment. I also hardly had a working internet connection at my house growing up.

I’m not saying frogbs is wrong in that “white guys into offensive humor have had different experiences changing with the timbre of the last 20 years.” I’m just saying his constant drumming of this as some universal/generational/zeitgeist experience is weird

congrats for stopping short of spelling out the n-word

I've posted on this message board 28,097 times and I think maybe 3 of them have been on that subject

south park is still pretty damn good (when it isn't mischaracterising trans people, its one remaining serious flaw imo) and has rowed back a lot of its y2k-era edginess, or at least moved with the times

I had a mixed experience. Even up to my mid-20s, there were people in my larger social sphere who would make “edgy” jokes, etc. Other than one guy who seems perpetually stuck in a certain cultural period, I would be completely shocked to hear that from any of them now if I had occasion to run into them socially. One in particular I can think of is a high school drama teacher that seems to be well-liked by all his students

on the other hand, a friend I got back in touch with in recent years has vented about this guy we’d gone to high school with who was very much into queer/punk/arts spaces at the time revealed himself to be a completely unironic racist years after the fact

I try to accept people for who they are now with a cautious eye to the past

Friend of Gawker Peter Thiel in the news

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rosiegray/peter-thiel-donald-trump-white-nationalist-support

you know, I realized in recent times that even if old gawker had turned into just a site with the insightful, funny articles and political content and had jettisoned the celebrity gossip stuff entirely, Thiel still would have found a lawsuit to work with his vendetta at some point. it was the one thing, but it could have been anything, or death by a thousand cuts

they printed one of the slanderous comments I submitted about my favorite NFL franchise so I'm even more in the tank for nu-Deadpsin now.

https://adequateman.deadspin.com/i-was-catfished-in-2012-and-i-took-my-anger-out-on-manti-teo-1829355555

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that's what i got when i clicked on that link

yeah sorry, it was a fake link. joke was supposed to be in the url.

A few years ago I went for a dinner with a colleague and we ended up talking about feminism, at which point I told her that in my teens I exhibited a great deal of internalized misogyny that I was in no position to really understand due to my immaturity and somewhat typical (in this regard, at least) Eastern European upbringing. She was utterly shocked and disgusted when she found out and I was just like… a) based on what we both know of teenage boys in the 90s and early 00s, what were you expecting?, b) I'm telling you this story because I'm still ashamed of my stupidity back then, and c) would it be best to never speak of this to anyone ever again and instead foster the notion that I'm a one-dimensional being whose behaviour has always been and always will be guided by the exact same ethical principles sub specie aeternitatis?