love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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BoJo now using over testing of non symptomatic as a positive.

I can't work out how 500k negative tests a day enables normal life. It would take 2 months to test the country in which time all the normal life people have covid.

Yet another variety of herd immunity but not really

オニモ (onimo), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:26 (four years ago) link

This Salford moonshot doesn't make sense to me either. At all.

stet, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:29 (four years ago) link

You can't live your life as normal if you get a negative test, because you could still catch it the minute you walk out the testing centre.

An antibody test is perhaps one thing that could let you do that, but it looks like antibodies aren't staying around for long enough for that

stet, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:30 (four years ago) link

(as I understand it, and that's not much)

antibodies not lasting isn't really seen as a problem as your body is programmed by your first infection to reproduce them

2 or 3 reinfection stories recently maybe suggests otherwise

オニモ (onimo), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:36 (four years ago) link

That's true stet but deaths look to be creeping up slightly as well - most since July.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:38 (four years ago) link

.@Peston asks if Christmas is cancelled?

Boris Johnson says he is 'hopeful' that 'in many ways' we could be able to get some aspects of our lives back to normal by Christmas

He refers to 'moonshot' of daily testing, but says govt 'cannot be 100% sure' if can deliver that

— Steven Swinford (@Steven_Swinford) September 9, 2020



Literally give me 1/10 of what Bobby P is paid for this shite and I’ll do a (metaphorical) reign of terror that makes Jeremy Paxman look like Holly Willoughby.

scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:44 (four years ago) link

is there a reliable daily link for keeping up with rona new cases/deaths?

calzino, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:45 (four years ago) link

antibodies not lasting isn't really seen as a problem as your body is programmed by your first infection to reproduce them


Yeah sorry I mean it's only a problem in the sense that you have a very narrow window to be able to get a test that says "yep, you definitely had Coronavirus, you're good to go licking lamposts now, bin your mask".

That's true stet but deaths look to be creeping up slightly as well - most since July.


Yeah, it's definitely definitely bad — I've heard from a friend who works in a big hospital that they're seeing more admissions than they expected, more like what they were expecting for much later this year. But the way that graph is makes it look like we're getting near where we were in March, when it's not that: we're not in hospitals-might-collapse-soon territory again. (Give these buggers time though)

is there a reliable daily link for keeping up with rona new cases/deaths?

This is the official one — and subject to all the caveats about how they goose the figs it's at least good for like-for-like comparisons etc https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk

stet, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:05 (four years ago) link

Talk of goose and figs is a bit insensitive now that Christmas is cancelled

crisp, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:10 (four years ago) link

"A dose of Coronavirus you got from licking lampposts"

rejected B&S lyric

the pinefox, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:21 (four years ago) link

is there a reliable daily link for keeping up with rona new cases/deaths?

Daily is difficult but I'm using this for cases. It's not 100% up to date (I don't think anywhere public is) but it at least gives you an idea of where the hotspots are:

https://russss.github.io/covidtracker/map.html

There was one on, I think, the Time Out website that had case data down to a ridiculous level of local granularity but also seemed to be lagging behind by a week or so.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:34 (four years ago) link

highlight (of the 5 minutes i didn't ffwd through) was bj telling pesto to unmute

koogs, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:10 (four years ago) link

How is it possible that he still hasn't worked that out?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:16 (four years ago) link

Some real hard cases in my office still can’t tbf

stet, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:23 (four years ago) link

i’ve got it set up to permamute except when i’m holding down the spacebar. works v well for me

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:27 (four years ago) link

It is ridiculous that people ask the current UK PM questions, in good faith, expecting reasonable answers, truth, logic or anything related.

You would not do this with Donald Trump. And most of the UK journos would chortlingly agree that you wouldn't.

So don't do it with the UK PM.

Don't bother unmuting.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 18:52 (four years ago) link

Literally give me 1/10 of what Bobby P is paid for this shite and I’ll do a (metaphorical) reign of terror that makes Jeremy Paxman look like Holly Willoughby.

― scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:44 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Setting up a crowdfund for this

plax (ico), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 18:54 (four years ago) link

Good things are possible

Lord Alan Sugar has said his central London property investments are "suffering" due to office workers staying home https://t.co/y2pyy3qxhu

— Evening Standard (@standardnews) September 9, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 19:21 (four years ago) link

Labour to the core

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 19:24 (four years ago) link

100% this is what this whole thing is about, the government don't especially care if Pret goes under or if a few Spanish baristas have to find new jobs, but if they do then rents will have to go down and the collapse of the Central London property market is going to hit a lot of anonymous Tory donors where it hurts.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 19:37 (four years ago) link

I am going to get a several copies of the Standard everyday if commercial rents are fucked it's going to be so good.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 19:44 (four years ago) link

Operation Moonshot then.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 20:16 (four years ago) link

the SAGE guy on PM thought the best case scenario at the moment was slowing the rate of growth of the R rate, we are so getting locked down before winter

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 20:22 (four years ago) link

“The prime minister has tasked the secretary of state for health and social care with delivering a Mass Population Testing Programme, currently called Operation Moonshot, before the end of the year.

“This is described by the prime minister as our only hope for avoiding a second national lockdown before a vaccine, something the country cannot afford. He would also like this to support the opening up of the economy and allow the population to return to something closer to normality.”

The leaks confirm private sector organisations are to be encouraged to carry out testing to help their own trade and protect their workforce.

“Businesses could support our testing strategy by providing ‘testing at the door’ to enable large scale ‘high-risk’ events to take place, such as football matches, theatre productions, concerts or conferences,” the strategy says. “The costs of travel or leisure activities could include the costs of accessing tests beforehand.”

Absolute bullshit.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 20:42 (four years ago) link

Jess Phillips MP (Labour) tweeted :
Might get a t-shirt to where to work that says "Grow a Spine" on the back "There's no point being a captain on a burning wreckage" There is nothing more disappointing in Westminster than the weasley complete lack of courage.

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Jess Phillips MPDeleted about 16 hours ago after 2 minutes, tweeted using Twitter Web App

if Jess didn't delete all her best tweets she could have bin a contender.

calzino, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 23:06 (four years ago) link

operation moonbeam

rascal clobber (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 23:11 (four years ago) link

she can't help but to burn so brightly after being the beneficiary of a Russell Group Uni and a grammar school education. I can't help - as a thick bastard - being so jel of her oh so honeyed classicism. actually tbf most of my first draughts are that bad as well!

calzino, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 23:28 (four years ago) link

I came here to post about the obviously knocked up in 10mins PowerPoint presentation that's doing the rounds but I got distracted by this:

This is a fabulous photograph of a reflective PM, with a lot on his mind. I can’t help noticing that he’s pulled off some timber. I hope his team continue to find him the time to continue training. https://t.co/i1Ma25O6ZR

— Tom Watson (@tom_watson) September 10, 2020

Matt DC, Thursday, 10 September 2020 08:42 (four years ago) link

Very relieved to figure out that it means "has lost weight"

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 10 September 2020 08:47 (four years ago) link

wtf.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:02 (four years ago) link

when body fascism is just fascism

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:03 (four years ago) link

hey who hasn't pulled off a bit of timber during lockdown?

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:07 (four years ago) link

Moonshot thing is hilarious. For one they can't deliver because they are incompetent. It also assumes people are going to go to theatres, concerts and matches in enough numbers in the first place. There is no 'trick' that will substitute for a vaccine. People may have to face a version of this until all trials fail but until then I reckon there'll be enough people that will sit this one out than take a huge gamble on a government scheme.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:21 (four years ago) link

the moonshot doesn't exist! it's like basing your plan on Jesus coming round and curing everybody

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:23 (four years ago) link

in other news i'm kinda bored of life being fucked now

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:24 (four years ago) link

does "moonshot" have other some vernacular meaning i haven't encountered: "hugely ambitious project that certainly succeed"

bcz to me its plain normal meaning is "our one shot is at best a wild gamble"

mark s, Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:25 (four years ago) link

Spaffing at the moon. And other unused Coil album titles.

grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:30 (four years ago) link

They can't deliver it because the technology to deliver it doesn't exist. It's narrative over policy, to make it look like they're doing something.

Also how do you enforce it? Say there's a guy who's got tickets for, say, City v Liverpool, it's a gigantic game, they've paid maybe £70+ for the ticket, they feel fine. They do a test, it comes back positive, can you really say that everyone is going to stay at home in that scenario? Or do you do it in a controlled environment outside the ground? If so, who administers that, how do you cope physically with the queues that will build up or, y'know, tens of thousands of people in a bottleneck outside the stadium.

Also as normal no one in the government is thinking about the train beforehand.

Even with a high threshold of success, 10m tests a day would mean a hundred thousand or so false positives a day as well.

Matt DC, Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:32 (four years ago) link

pretty sure you're right, mark.

i.e. the "shoot the moon" strategy in hearts where you try to lose every trick

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:33 (four years ago) link

If so, who administers that, how do you cope physically with the queues that will build up or, y'know, tens of thousands of people in a bottleneck outside the stadium

look when somebody invents the test that doesn't exist yet they can just invent a pill that makes the rona disappear instantly at the same time

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:35 (four years ago) link

Well, the original moonshot was putting people on the moon - it cost 2% of US GDP - the comparable amount in the UK would be £4 billion (er, based on 2019 GDP, not 2020!)

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:38 (four years ago) link

Government haven't even built a proper test and trace system have they? This moonshot scheme sounds like a cover for that failure

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:40 (four years ago) link

what we need is the Russians to start working on a moonshot so we have the incentive to spite them

or fake it in a disused warehouse, loads of them available

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:42 (four years ago) link

thread of people who aren't the Prime Minister

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:51 (four years ago) link

this moonshot is basically a tube rocket in your drunk uncle's back garden and it fell apart before the end of Today

stet, Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:59 (four years ago) link

a model rocket made of crudely painted cardboard boxes, if you will

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 10 September 2020 10:00 (four years ago) link


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