People that you've never heard of, people that are in the dark shadows -- US Politics September 2020

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looooool

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 17:20 (five years ago)

a source with knowledge of the garden troubles told CNN.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 17:21 (five years ago)

That source? Bill Walton.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 17:24 (five years ago)

I beg your pardon
I never promised you a Rose Garden
we’re building the Wall in this yard and
it’s gonna rule so hard man
make this White House great again

ftfm

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 17:26 (five years ago)

Went to a garden party to reminisce with my old friends
A chance to share old memories and make America great again
When I got to the garden party, all the plants were dead
They didn't feed them water, they poured Gatorade instead

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 17:35 (five years ago)

To frogbs - apologies for "trivial." My take on the tRoOpS stuff is that the current story is "OMG he said THAT?" vs. the flat denial from Trump and "*yawn* anonymous sources - bullshit" from Trumpers.

As long as the SHOCKA story can be waved away with plausible deniability, it's back to square one: if you heard the "losers/suckers" language and think "yeah, I believe he said that," you're already on team anti-Trump. If you read it with Trumper lenses on, you'll just see unsourced FAKE NEWS. So it's just the same boring tribal dance.

the hardline according to shrimp on the b'arby (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 18:11 (five years ago)

I do think there's a somewhat notable chunk of the country who's in between those, doesn't like Trump but tolerates him for SC judges or whatever, those people are the reason his approval rating keeps bouncing from 39-44% and yeah "fuck the troops" is definitely something that'll swing those people

that said it'll be mostly forgotten in a few weeks but still. Trump's path to victory right now is a razor thin margin, he can't afford to lose anyone right now

frogbs, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 18:18 (five years ago)

A+ Neanderthal

Hongro Hongro Hippies (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 19:08 (five years ago)

xp also tbh a whole lot of right-wingers don't really "support the troops" in any serious way, it's just something they use to beat up liberals with. They're not going to beat up Trump with it because that's not the point.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 19:14 (five years ago)

yeah, there have been reports of Trump making fun of Pence for his pro-life beliefs and religious people seemingly dgaf

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 19:20 (five years ago)

The entire GOP is just Storemare shouting at Bridges in the tub, basically.

Don't be such an idot. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 19:26 (five years ago)

the GOP:

https://cdnimg.webstaurantstore.com/images/products/large/102661/2068992.jpg

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 19:32 (five years ago)

christ

DOJ is now arguing that when Trump said "she's not my type" he was ... acting in his official capacity & within the scope of his employment as President.

This is truly grotesque--they're saying that misogyny is the President's official duties/within the scope of his job. https://t.co/LOjKDCgXDa

— Leah Litman (@LeahLitman) September 8, 2020

mookieproof, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 21:55 (five years ago)

"whats the only way I can escape this lifetime of lawsuits, rape cases, and people who I owe money baying for my blood... I know! I'll become President!"

Not really even joking tbh.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 23:09 (five years ago)

https://nyti.ms/3m7hkma

I think this is a cogent piece suggesting what the messaging could look like in a push for electoral reform. I hadn't even heard of this interstate compact idea before.

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 04:19 (five years ago)

The National Popular Vote bill will take effect when enacted into law by states possessing 270 electoral votes (a majority of the 538 electoral votes). As of July 2020, it has been enacted into law in 16 jurisdictions possessing 196 electoral votes....

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/state-status

this does not seem at all out of reach

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 13:08 (five years ago)

eh John Roberts will save us

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 13:14 (five years ago)

frightened by the decent odds that we will actually be counting on that

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 13:20 (five years ago)

I'm shocked. Aren't you?

Trump admitted to Bob Woodward on March 19 that he deliberately minimized the danger of the coronavirus. "I wanted to always play it down," the president said. https://t.co/v2T8zwNSpX

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 9, 2020

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:14 (five years ago)

but...that would mean he's putting his own political standing ahead of the life and happiness of his constituents?????????

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:16 (five years ago)

Shut the front door!

The scales, they have fallen from mine eyes.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:16 (five years ago)

Trump added that North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un thought Obama was “an asshole.”

Trump also boasted to Woodward that Kim “tells me everything,” including a graphic account of Kim having his uncle killed.

Every body is interested in pigeons (jmm), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:24 (five years ago)

first read I thought he meant Kim having Trump's uncle killed

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:28 (five years ago)

lol he recorded it

Trump tells Woodward he played down the threat of the coronavirus.
"I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down because I don't want to create a panic."

He also tells Woodward that "plenty of young people" are vulnerable -- different from his public message pic.twitter.com/fJZUZtJTIv

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) September 9, 2020

frogbs, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:36 (five years ago)

"it's a deepfake, these AI people, they do....amazing, terrible things. Someone ought to look into these terrible things they're doing. Making recordings that...they didn't happen, they just....things that didn't happen, they're making these recordings".

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:37 (five years ago)

we're lucky that trump has no idea what AI or deepfakes are, because otherwise he would definitely be blaming everything on that by now

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:48 (five years ago)

shit, you and I may have just unwittingly told him

(he lurks here, u know)

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:48 (five years ago)

yeah but he just looks at the pictures. anything we write in text is completely invisible to him

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:49 (five years ago)

all he sees on this thread are some pictures of him, some of biden, and the occasional arby's roast beef with lite mayonnaise on it

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:49 (five years ago)

full article is worth c+ping imo, there's tons of outrageous quotes

President Trump’s head popped up during his top-secret intelligence briefing in the Oval Office on Jan. 28 when the discussion turned to the novel coronavirus outbreak in China.

“This will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency,” national security adviser Robert O’Brien told Trump, according to a new book by Washington Post associate editor Bob Woodward. “This is going to be the roughest thing you face.”

Matthew Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser, agreed. He told the president that after reaching contacts in China, it was evident that the world faced a health emergency on par with the flu pandemic of 1918, which killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide.

Ten days later, Trump called Woodward and revealed that he thought the situation was far more dire than what he had been saying publicly.

“You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in a Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flu.”

“This is deadly stuff,” the president repeated for emphasis.

At that time, Trump was telling the nation that the virus was no worse than a seasonal flu, predicting it would soon disappear, and insisting that the U.S. government had it totally under control. It would be several weeks before he would publicly acknowledge that the virus was no ordinary flu and that it could be transmitted through the air.

Trump admitted to Woodward on March 19 that he deliberately minimized the danger. “I wanted to always play it down,” the president said.

The book also includes brutal assessments of Trump’s conduct from former defense secretary Jim Mattis, former director of national intelligence Daniel Coats and others.

The book is based in part on 18 on-the-record interviews Woodward conducted with the president between December and July. Woodward writes that other quotes in the book were acquired through “deep background” conversations with sources in which information is divulged and exchanges recounted without sources being named.

“Trump never did seem willing to fully mobilize the federal government and continually seemed to push problems off on the states,” Woodward writes. “There was no real management theory of the case or how to organize a massive enterprise to deal with one of the most complex emergencies the United States had ever faced.”

Woodward questioned Trump repeatedly about the national reckoning on racial injustice. On June 3, two days after federal agents forcibly removed peaceful protesters from Lafayette Square to make way for Trump to stage a photo opportunity outside St. John’s Episcopal Church, Trump called Woodward to boast about his “law and order” stance.

“We’re going to get ready to send in the military slash National Guard to some of these poor bastards that don’t know what they’re doing, these poor radical lefts,” Trump said.

In a second conversation, on June 19, Woodward asked the president about White privilege, noting that they were both White men of the same generation who had privileged upbringings. Woodward suggested that they had a responsibility to better “understand the anger and pain” felt by Black Americans.
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“No,” Trump replied, his voice described by Woodward as mocking and incredulous. “You really drank the Kool-Aid, didn’t you? Just listen to you. Wow. No, I don’t feel that at all.”

As Woodward pressed Trump to understand the plight of Black Americans after generations of discrimination, inequality and other atrocities, the president kept answering by pointing to economic numbers such as the pre-pandemic unemployment rate for Blacks and claiming, as he often has publicly, that he has done more for Blacks than any president except perhaps Abraham Lincoln.

In another conversation about race, on July 8, Trump complained about his lack of support among Black voters. “I’ve done a tremendous amount for the Black community,” he told Woodward. “And, honestly, I’m not feeling any love.”

They spoke again about race relations on June 22, when Woodward asked Trump whether he thinks there is “systemic or institutional racism in this country.”
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“Well, I think there is everywhere,” Trump said. “I think probably less here than most places. Or less here than many places.”

Asked by Woodward whether racism “is here” in the United States in a way that affects people’s lives, Trump replied, “I think it is. And it’s unfortunate. But I think it is.”

Trump shared with Woodward visceral reactions to several prominent Democrats of color. Upon seeing a shot of Sen. Kamala D. Harris of California, now the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, calmly and silently watching him deliver his State of the Union address, Trump remarked, “Hate! See the hate! See the hate!” Trump used the same phrase after an expressionless Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.) appeared in the frame.

Trump was dismissive about former president Barack Obama and told Woodward he was inclined to refer to him by his first and middle names, “Barack Hussein,” but wouldn’t in his company to be “very nice.”

“I don’t think Obama’s smart,” Trump told Woodward. “I think he’s highly overrated. And I don’t think he’s a great speaker.” Trump added that North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un thought Obama was “an asshole.”

“Rage” includes the first-reported excerpts of letters Trump exchanged with Kim, and quotes Trump in his interviews with Woodward using expletives to defend their pen-pal relationship. Even as U.S. intelligence chiefs warn that North Korea is unlikely to ever surrender its nuclear weapons and that Trump’s approach is ineffective, the president told Woodward he is determined to stay the course and dismissively says the CIA has “no idea” how to handle North Korea.

“I met. Big fucking deal,” Trump told Woodward, waving off criticism of his three face-to-face meetings with Kim. “It takes me two days. I met. I gave up nothing.”

Foreign affairs experts say Trump gave up much — including by postponing and then scaling back the U.S. joint military exercises with South Korea that had long angered North Korea, as well as by granting Kim the international stature and legitimacy the North Korean regime has long craved.

Trump told Woodward he evaluates Kim and his nuclear arsenal like a real estate target: “It’s really like, you know, somebody that’s in love with a house and they just can’t sell it.”

Kim welcomed Trump’s overtures with over-the-top prose in letters. Kim wrote that he wanted “another historic meeting between myself and Your Excellency reminiscent of a scene from a fantasy film.” And he said his meetings with Trump were a “precious memory” that underscored how the “deep and special friendship between us will work as a magical force.”

In another letter, Kim wrote to Trump, “I feel pleased to have formed good ties with such a powerful and preeminent statesman as Your Excellency.” And in yet another, Kim reflected on “that moment of history when I firmly held Your Excellency’s hand at the beautiful and sacred location as the whole world watched with great interest and hope to relive the honor of that day.”

Trump was taken with Kim’s flattery, Woodward writes, telling the author pridefully that Kim had addressed him as “Excellency.” Trump remarked that he was awestruck meeting Kim for the first time in 2018 in Singapore, thinking to himself, “Holy shit,” and finding Kim to be “far beyond smart.” Trump also boasted to Woodward that Kim “tells me everything,” including a graphic account of Kim having his uncle killed.

Trump did not share his letters to Kim — “those are so top secret,” the president said — though Woodward writes that Trump sent Kim a copy of the New York Times featuring a picture of the two men on the front page. “Chairman, great picture of you, big time,” Trump wrote on the paper in marker. (Trump falsely boasted to Woodward, “He never smiled before. I’m the only one he smiles with.”)

Trump reflected on his relationships with authoritarian leaders generally, including Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. “It’s funny, the relationships I have, the tougher and meaner they are, the better I get along with them,” he told Woodward. “You know? Explain that to me someday, okay?”

In the midst of reflecting upon how close the United States had come in 2017 to war with North Korea, Trump revealed, “I have built a nuclear — a weapons system that nobody’s ever had in this country before. We have stuff that you haven’t even seen or heard about. We have stuff that Putin and Xi have never heard about before. There’s nobody — what we have is incredible.”

Woodward writes that anonymous sources later confirmed that the U.S. military had a secret new weapons system, but they would not provide details, and that the sources were surprised Trump had disclosed it.

The book documents private grumblings, periods of exasperation and wrestling about whether to quit among the so-called adults of the Trump orbit: Mattis, Coats and former secretary of state Rex Tillerson.

Mattis quietly went to Washington National Cathedral to pray about his concern for the nation’s fate under Trump’s command and, according to Woodward, told Coats, “There may come a time when we have to take collective action” since Trump is “dangerous. He’s unfit.”

In a separate conversation recounted by Woodward, Mattis told Coats, “The president has no moral compass,” to which the director of national intelligence replied, “True. To him, a lie is not a lie. It’s just what he thinks. He doesn’t know the difference between the truth and a lie.”

Woodward describes Coats’s experience as especially tortured. Coats, a former senator from Indiana, was recruited into the administration by Vice President Pence, and his wife is quoted as recalling a dinner at the White House when she interacted with Pence.

“I just looked at him, like, how are you stomaching this?” Marsha Coats said, according to Woodward. “I just looked at him like, this is horrible. I mean, we made eye contact. I think he understood. And he just whispered in my ear, ‘Stay the course.’ ”

Pence was the president’s one constant booster publicly and privately in Woodward’s book. When Coats considered resigning because of Trump’s handling of Russia, Pence urged him to “look on the positive side of things that he’s done. More attention on that. You can’t go.”

Mike Pence hopes four years of subservience to Trump will lift his political future

The loathing was mutual. “Not to mention my fucking generals are a bunch of pussies. They care more about their alliances than they do about trade deals,” Trump told White House trade adviser Peter Navarro at one point, according to Woodward.

Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, is quoted by Woodward as saying, “The most dangerous people around the president are overconfident idiots,” which Woodward interprets as a reference to Mattis, Tillerson and former National Economic Council director Gary Cohn.

Kushner was a frequent target of ire among Trump’s Cabinet members, who saw him as untrustworthy and weak in dealing with heads of states. Tillerson found Kushner’s warm dealings with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu “nauseating to watch. It was stomach churning,” according to Woodward.

Kushner is quoted extensively in the book ruminating about his father-in-law and presidential power. Woodward writes that Kushner advised people that one of the most important guiding texts to understand the Trump presidency was “Alice in Wonderland,” a novel about a young girl who falls through a rabbit hole. He singled out the Cheshire cat, whose strategy was endurance and persistence, not direction.

The book charts the Trump administration’s failings and missteps on the pandemic, including the decisions and actions of Pottinger, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield, infectious-disease expert Anthony S. Fauci and others.

Fauci at one point tells others that the president “is on a separate channel” and unfocused in meetings, with “rudderless” leadership, according to Woodward. “His attention span is like a minus number,” Fauci said, according to Woodward. “His sole purpose is to get reelected.”

In one Oval Office meeting recounted by Woodward, after Trump had made false statements in a news briefing, Fauci said in front of him: “We can’t let the president be out there being vulnerable, saying something that’s going to come back and bite him.” Pence, Kushner, chief of staff Mark Meadows and senior policy adviser Stephen Miller tensed up at once, Woodward writes, surprised Fauci would talk to Trump that way.

Woodward describes Fauci as particularly disappointed in Kushner for talking like a cheerleader as if everything was great. In June, as the virus was spreading wildly coast to coast and case numbers soared in Arizona, Florida, Texas and other states, Kushner said of Trump, “The goal is to get his head from governing to campaigning.”

Woodward writes that Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) suggested former president George W. Bush speak personally with Trump about global vaccine efforts, but that Bush demurred.

“No. No,” Bush told Graham, according to Woodward. “He’d misconstrue anything I said.”

In their final interview, on July 21, Trump vented to Woodward, “The virus has nothing to do with me. It’s not my fault.”

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:52 (five years ago)

strenuous flu

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:54 (five years ago)

quotables:

In another conversation about race, on July 8, Trump complained about his lack of support among Black voters. “I’ve done a tremendous amount for the Black community,” he told Woodward. “And, honestly, I’m not feeling any love.”

Trump shared with Woodward visceral reactions to several prominent Democrats of color. Upon seeing a shot of Sen. Kamala D. Harris of California, now the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, calmly and silently watching him deliver his State of the Union address, Trump remarked, “Hate! See the hate! See the hate!” Trump used the same phrase after an expressionless Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.) appeared in the frame.

Trump also boasted to Woodward that Kim “tells me everything,” including a graphic account of Kim having his uncle killed.

In the midst of reflecting upon how close the United States had come in 2017 to war with North Korea, Trump revealed, “I have built a nuclear — a weapons system that nobody’s ever had in this country before. We have stuff that you haven’t even seen or heard about. We have stuff that Putin and Xi have never heard about before. There’s nobody — what we have is incredible.” Woodward writes that anonymous sources later confirmed that the U.S. military had a secret new weapons system, but they would not provide details, and that the sources were surprised Trump had disclosed it.

“Not to mention my fucking generals are a bunch of pussies. They care more about their alliances than they do about trade deals,” Trump told White House trade adviser Peter Navarro at one point, according to Woodward.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:58 (five years ago)

Yeah, that article is too much, my brain shut down

Every body is interested in pigeons (jmm), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:59 (five years ago)

None of this is surprising at all.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:01 (five years ago)

Of course not! But it's recorded and undeniable and history at least will get to feast on his festering carcass.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:02 (five years ago)

All the King's Men 2 is gonna be straight to DVD but we are all gonna watch it

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:06 (five years ago)

"I think probably less here than most places. Or less here than many places.”

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:09 (five years ago)

even after 4 years of this shit, that article is quite something

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:11 (five years ago)

i'm sure republican voters think that democratic presidents act the same exact way behind closed doors. probably a woodward transcript with obama where obama is just casually bragging about his secret nukes, a bunch of people he's slept with and paid off, etc

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:14 (five years ago)

"oh yeah we Benghazied. we Benghazied on Tuesday. We Benghazed between holes of golf. We heard you liked Benghazi so we put a Benghazi in your Benghazi"

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:22 (five years ago)

What are these sci-fi weapons systems he's going on about?

DJI, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:23 (five years ago)

stealth planes

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:25 (five years ago)

and yet, zero minds will be changed by any of this.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:32 (five years ago)

HATE! SEE THE HATE! SEE THE HATE! by Godspeed You! White Emperor will release on 9/11/20

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:36 (five years ago)

Not to mention my fucking generals are a bunch of pussies

lmao

unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:41 (five years ago)

he out-deckered decker

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:46 (five years ago)

Mike Pence hopes four years of subservience to Trump will lift his political future

I. just. can't. even.

Orson Well Yeah (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:48 (five years ago)

someday he might be vice president!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:49 (five years ago)

only if the handmaid's tale scenario happens to usa
xp

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:49 (five years ago)

Little understood dynamic 👇

I spent lots of time reporting in Pennsylvania diners in 2016, & I heard over & over again that if a pandemic struck, average voters wanted a president who’d lie to them about it publicly while *simultaneously* revealing the truth to elite DC journos

— Isaac Chotiner (@IChotiner) September 9, 2020

jaymc, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 17:52 (five years ago)


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