rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread

looks more like pedophile dazzle camouflage to me

There's that. He also looks like the sort of guy who'd sell really bad acid at a jam band festival.

my understanding is that if the election result is unresolved on Jan 20, the Speaker of The House is sworn in, and remains president until it is resolved

...but in the event the results *cannot* be resolved (by when I'm not sure?), the House votes on the next president, not by total member votes but by state

8chan dude reminds me of Elmer Woodard, who represented nazi Chris Cantwell after Charlottesville.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/DVe5RxDCDj0NCFC0_ovY_maqn5nI-eyQnu1JkrgzZ4CkY93MeMX_9x5946LhRtwu5oS40v3DL5mvG7Hkor2FLmzzLR3hTs-N9Q7kwSMm7nSaeTyGkuCV8BuUSb9f-ErWI6jXc18PO56tyR_4z2STd3zYqCNTIjL1Lo4NkecBldV-fTkbjC1-CW_3ypYTo5E0vD3RiX3DI3xTPhJuAL88MEhm6dm6cb4rWjO1

if the *election result* is unresolved, yea. but if it returned a winner, and that winner is Biden, and the electors have voted for him, he is he President-elect, and succession goes to VP-elect after him if he dies before inauguration.

if he dies before the Electors vote, it's a bit more nebulous, but I believe I read that they just vote for the 'replacement' that the party trudges up.

and if by 1/21 there is still a dispute, a three-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays

I’m pretty sure that in that event whichever general can commandeer the largest chunk of our nuclear arsenal becomes President.

great, Reagan's corpse gets a third term

Interesting nuance in this @nicolenarea interview with @ChuckRocha:

He's less worried about the Biden campaign ignoring Latino voters and more that outside PACs are not spending nearly enough messaging to that cohort.https://t.co/j3piRKIFmZ

— Dylan Scott (@dylanlscott) September 9, 2020

Two polls today show Joe Biden badly struggling with Latinos in Florida. That's a big problem. I talked to Dem strategist @steveschale, a veteran of Florida politics, who explained what the problem is and what the road ahead entails. Much work to be done:https://t.co/v5OjQXcDEx

— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) September 8, 2020

yeah, the splits from a recent FL poll jumped out at me for the same reason. for latinos, i think it was 48% trump to 46% biden? compared to about 65% clinton in 2016. it had to read it like 3 times to make sure that was right

he *can* win without Florida, though. though those are startling numbers.

Yeah, my friends spent yesterday in a faint.

the casual racism i'd witness from other first generation Mexican Americans growing up would always astound me! calling other Mexicans "wet backs" is just insane to me but it's there.

xp what do think is driving that shift? i was just kind of like :-o

I know this is a "Trump is gonna win" thread but another way to read this is "Trump can't get to a lead in Florida even with eye-poppingly good numbers for a Republican among Latino voters."

xp what do think is driving that shift? i was just kind of like :-o

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, September 9, 2020

It's complicated, as I wrote today. "Hispanics," like "Blacks," aren't a homogeneous group.

I know this is a "Trump is gonna win" thread but another way to read this is "Trump can't get to a lead in Florida even with eye-poppingly good numbers for a Republican among Latino voters."

IMO concern should be less Florida-specific and more what does this mean in Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, North Carolina, etc..

As far back as the primaries, the Biden/centrist concern first and foremost with Florida Cuban voters was a red flag (while Bernie did very well with Latinx voters... everywhere else).

I mean lol

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/biden-camp-taps-republican-trump-foe-ana-navarro-rev-latino-n1236063

As an outsider, I wonder if Florida is a perpetual "hanging chad" because of the high turnover population of elderly retirees and the dynamically proportional numbers of the underclasses needed to service their lifestyles.

[looks around dorm room for signs of agreement]

Florida's west coast has since the early 2000s gotten a steady stream of Midwestern emigres, far less, uh, lib than the snowbirds on the east coast who settle in Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade counties.

is pensacola part of that, i guess? that's where my family always used to go when i was a kid. my dad probably told all his friends to go too

anecdotally can confirm. just about every meat-headed racist that my sister associated with when she lived in WI (she eventually ended ties with all of them, cause not only were they racist idiots, all they ever did was sit around at home--winter-- or on a boat -- summer-- and drink) either had a vacation home/rental in FL gulf coast or had plans to get one.

I mean it's called the Redneck Riviera for a reason

The Panhandle is evil except Tallahassee.

haha, i never knew that. the reputation, i mean. sad lol: we all thought florida was really modern and cosmopolitan

welp, what can i say. yall are fancy

I lived in Tallahassee for the year I went to FSU. it was...aight.

I used to go to the Cow Haus near Frenchtown for concerts

I knew that from people I knew who grew up in Tallahassee, and also more recently from my partner who went on a FEMA deployment down there after all those Gulf towns got destroyed in that hurricane... October 2018? The whole cancer year throws off my memory of 2018, but I think thats it.

Anyway. He had a lot of stories about wild racist white people and entering trailers filled with so many cockroaches and moths that he puked several times. Oh, and driving an ambulance with handwritten directions with no streetlights all night

godspeed you black emperor? now that's fancy

Now if only Gucci would make that said 'full of blood' on the side.

Notable: Trump big lead over Biden on the economy looks like it's fading.

Recent polls on who can best handle economy:
CBS/YouGov (Sept 2-4)
Biden: 44%
Trump: 45%

CNN (Aug. 28-Sept 1)
Biden: 48%
Trump: 49%

Quinnipiac (Aug. 28-31)
Biden: 48%
Trump: 48%https://t.co/EJuueXsBX1 pic.twitter.com/quhAlL6oUh

— Heather Long (@byHeatherLong) September 10, 2020

Imagine, in the depths of... this answering a pollster that Donald Trump really has this economy thing on lock.

yeah the economy is bad now, but imagine how much worse the economy would be if a regulation-happy democrat were in charge!

I don't get separating as a poll question "the economy" from "the pandemic" but

That is how its always been asked in the past, therefore that is how they ask it now. Pollsters like to poll certain questions in the same wording year after year on the theory that this undeviating approach allows a 'clean' comparison with all other polls using the same wording, so it can be graphed over the years.

This theory probably overstates the continuity of the public 's interpretation of the poll question.

if i were a pollster and could only ask one question it would be -- what's more likely:

__mr. trump "wins" (claims "victory" in a hotly contested election), is impeached for negligent genocide, senate lets him off, he resigns, president pence pardons the trump family in perpetuity, and the whole trump gang laughs and golfs and hunts endangered species the way to the moscow bank

__mr. trump "wins" (claims "victory" in a hotly contested election), is impeached for negligent genocide, senate plays along with the house, he resigns, president pence pardons the trump family in perpetuity, and the whole trump gang laughs and golfs and hunts endangered species all the way to the moscow bank

I don't need a pollster to successfully determine the odds of either of those scenarios happening

It is a revelation to compare Menard’s Don Quixote with Cervantes’. The latter, for example, wrote (part one, chapter nine):

. . . truth, whose mother is history, rival of time, depository of deeds, witness of the past, exemplar and adviser to the present, and the future’s counselor.

Written in the seventeenth century, written by the “lay genius” Cervantes, this enumeration is a mere rhetorical praise of history. Menard, on the other hand, writes:

. . . truth, whose mother is history, rival of time, depository of deeds, witness of the past, exemplar and adviser to the present, and the future’s counselor.

Are you quoting Brian Evenson? I kiss you

I used to teach that story. students hate it!

Borges!

My students loathed it. The three times I presented it I had to hurry out before they hurled spears at me.

Right, sorry. I always taught the Borges and Evenson at the same time, they got mixed up in my head because I am stoned.

<3 borges

The Evenson is titled 'Moran's Mexico: A Refutation,' and works on many of the same meta-levels of meaning and authenticity ad the Borges. I'll send it to you if you like!

Brian Evenson, Author of the Borges

Lol

The jazz group Mostly Other People Do The Killing used the Borges story as liner notes for their album Blue, which was a note-for-note recreation of Miles Davis's Kind of Blue (they didn't just re-record the tunes, they played them exactly as on the 1959 original, even using the same reverb settings and everything). Jazz critics mostly haaaaated it.

I read about that, unperson! Seemed like a cheap trick, not surprised it didn't go over well. What was yr opinion, I wonder.

I just thought it was silly. And I've listened to Kind of Blue so many times since the age of 15 that I could immediately hear the stuff they got "wrong."