rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread

Slides 47-52 of this PowerPoint illustrate how I’ll save us all from the Greater Depression.

the exact same thing i should do if biden wins

the correct answer to all "what should I do if Trump wins??" queries, yes

4000 words on his website doesn’t count lol.

― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, August 31, 2020 1:01 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Okay, then, what does?

Or, why doesn't it count?

Everything counts
In large amounts

Does this help alleviate the doom and gloom somewhat?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/514418-military-times-poll-biden-holds-6-point-lead-over-trump-among-troops

Discourse is discourse
Of course
Of course

there are a few excellent policies buried in there, but nearly all of it is aspirational waffle that could be addressed by prosecuting corporate crime (and taxing the rich), and directing that stolen money into social services and infrastructure that would eradicate the impetus for nearly all of the individual-level micro-crimes which he still treats as the problem to be solved.

if people are committing crime to get food, or robbing individuals for cocaine money, or can't escape domestic violence because shelter is unreliable elsewhere, the base problem is not the theft or the drug use or the violence.

Okay, then, what does?

You mentioned it yourself - “effectively communicating a message.”

I don’t know why you brought up his Plan For That as a rebuttal, I didn’t see anyone mention plans?

if only there was a candidate who loved plans then we'd be OK

Biden really is going to allow Trump to dictate 100% of the terms of this election, isn't he? To an extent that's understandable since Trump is the incumbent, but still, this seems pretty extreme. Allowing Trump to spend weeks screeching about how No One is Safe in Joe Biden's America, just to emerge to make a speech that essentially amounts to "Nuh uh, YOU'RE the one who likes violence!" He's basically betting everything on the hope that enough people simply hate Trump enough that they'll turn out to vote him out, and maybe he's right, but it's a hell of a wager.

milo z:

I didn’t see anyone mention plans

also milo z:

Is he blanketing the airwaves with ads for his plan

Nuh uh, YOU'RE the one who likes violence!

Tbf it did work for Trump.

milo itt all like

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also milo z:

Is he blanketing the airwaves with ads for his plan

Yeah, wasn’t talking about plans there but communication. See the first half of the sentence.

(jaymc’s ‘how dare you say he has no plan’ is a weird rebuttal in response, no?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHash5takWU

Wait, sorry, my statement was about his economic plan.

Nope, still don’t think anyone talked about his police reform plan.

You wrote: "Biden and his cohort do not have a coherent and meaningful response." I think the plans on the campaign website constitute a "response." Again, you can criticize the details and the messaging. But you make it sound like Biden is totally empty-headed and incapable of addressing the issue, which is just not true.

Can it just be 11/3 so i can finally settle on which building to jump from

Listen, I am not a Biden stan and have never been. But the moving goalposts can be a little tiring.

He's just staying in his basement!

Uh, except this campaign appearance and that speech and this announcement...

He has no plans or policies except being nOt tRumP!

Uh, except this plan and that policy statement and this thing on his website...

He hasn't addressed (thing)!

Uh, except saying (this) and (this) and (this).

But he's not doing it ENOUGH!

I expect this dynamic to continue, and am resigned to it. I agree that Biden sucks and he was not the preferred choice of anyone here (as far as I know).

He has no plans or policies except being nOt tRumP!

Who said that? The ‘moving goalposts’ seem a lot like strawmen you’ve put together.

I think the plans on the campaign website constitute a "response." Again, you can criticize the details and the messaging.

The details and the messaging seem kind of integral to the “coherent and meaningful” part you quoted?

milo, I totally get the frustration about Biden and the impetus to want to push him harder, but you have been clearly moving the goalposts itt as to what you were asking. First you said he didn't have a plan and when jaymc pointed out the plan on his site, you said it was actually communicating the plan that was your issue. That's a pretty textbook definition of moving the goalposts.

Is milo actually interested in "pushing Biden harder"? My impression is that milo is only interested in performing his disdain for Biden (and, indeed, the entire US political duopoly). Actually getting behind a candidate would be beneath him.

First you said he didn't have a plan

... I didn't do that. I referred to Biden's economic plan several times (as unconvincing, not enough, etc.).

Here's what I said about Biden and cops:
"Biden and his cohort do not have a coherent and meaningful response.

Even if you argue they can't jump on the defund the police train, they can do better than defend all the good apples you uppity protesters just don't want to think about."

"There is a better line possible than "shoot em in the leg" and "give cops an extra $300 billion for bonuses if they don't commit crimes."

Like, it's a stupid thing to get bogged down in but I think "you said this" when someone didn't actually say that gets closer to the actual meaning of 'gaslight' than it's ever used on ILX.

Is milo actually interested in "pushing Biden harder"?

Not pushing Biden harder - "Biden pushing harder."

And, uh, yeah, pretty obviously, since I'm criticizing the ways I see his campaign failing to do as well as it can in the "'Trump is gonna win' containment thread."

One might even suspect that my disdain for Biden and the theoretically lefter half of the "entire US political duopoly" is about their continuous political failures.

dying to know what they come up after the swiftboat thing. i hope they're coordinating with attorney general barr!

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/31/swift-boat-mastermind-super-pac-trump-405519

Not pushing Biden harder - "Biden pushing harder."

This kind of perfectly sums it up. "I won't actually do anything to try to change the situation I dislike, I'd rather just sneeringly point out that the situation isn't changing itself."

I don't have enough money for Biden to care about my views.

Absent three or more commas in my bank account, the other option for "trying to change the situation I dislike" and "push Biden harder" - organizing people to threaten to withhold their votes from him - would, of course, incite a different kind of outrage from you people.

isn't milo the one who doesn't respond to the census to stick it to the man? lol

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isn't milo the one who doesn't respond to the census to stick it to the man? lol

I think about that episode every single time he posts

Is anyone actually interested in "pushing Milo harder (to vote for Biden"?) or just sneeringly pointing out something about a census?

This cheered me up a bit today:

https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/four-years-later-its-still-all-about-base

isn't milo the one who doesn't respond to the census to stick it to the man? lol

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, August 31, 2020 3:39 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

What? If that's true, that is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on ilx.

It's not true - I responded to it late (or maybe not even - was there a deadline before June?) because I didn't really give a shit and if I hadn't, one fewer voter in a right-wing district of right-wing state.

The census doesn't work like "not voting in a right wing state" though.

lols tho at people getting mad and trying to get personal at harshing their Good Vibez Only desires on the Trump is gonna win containment thread.

Sorry, one fewer population number. It really didn't matter in any way if I responded the census at all.

I didn't really give a shit

yeah, we know

xpost In the 'it doesn't matter because nothing matters because eventually the universe will achieve heat death and what's the point of doing anything at all ever' sense u r otm.

mr. putin's got this ;)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/barrs-removal-career-national-security-official-weeks-election/story

xp - also in every other possible sense. Aside from the masturbatory pleasure some may derive from taking part in one of their hallowed institutions, it does not actually matter if you, the individual, take part.

why is ABC News still using go.com

Aside from the masturbatory pleasure some may derive from taking part in one of their hallowed institutions, it does not actually matter if you, the individual, take part.

Jesus fuck, you really may be the most tedious person on ILX. Have you ever managed to impress a girl (or a boy, or whatever) with this dorm-room bullshit?

really awful line of attack there

Yeah, you're probably right about that. But as has long been established, I am one of ILX's worst posters. Anyway, ignore the second sentence if that's what you need to do to maintain your personal emotional equilibrium.