Democratic (Party) Direction

Let's get that fossil fuels kill on the agenda Joe.

Didn't they just remove the plank about banning fossil fuel subsidies?

He was suitably angry in this speech

I have to say Joe sounds pretty sharp

Impromptu Biden is often clumsy and bad. He's had months to hone this speech and lay out his best ideas and sharpen his delivery. This makes a big difference in how he sounds. Like any such speech, a large part of it consisted in convincing you to trust in his ability to do the job as you might want it done. That always requires overreach in painting a picture that will never be brought to reality. But it does indicate what he'd like to deliver if he only could and that has some value.

He did sound better than I've ever heard him sound in the past. That was helpful. And he mentioned the importance of climate change multiple times which is more than most Dem candidates did in the primaries and debates. I give him credit for a good solid speech, as convention speeches go. I could dance to it.

Yeah, on the Biden scale that’s was about as good as it’s going to get.

fwiw, at this moment, vs Donald Trump, it was good enough. Just making the usual platitudes toward family and caring about people was enough, because it throws into sharp contrast trump’s ability to do the same. That’s all Biden really has to do to win.

Trump’s ^inability^ to do the same, and also I meant to throw an “I think” in there
/iphone

Pretty good--a little shouty here and there, but the family stuff, which is overly familiar by now, didn't feel that way tonight.

Biden is not known for brevity, but he gave the shortest acceptance speech at the DNC since 1984, and his speech was less than half as long as Hillary’s, according to C-SPAN. pic.twitter.com/WLxYFS8oLy

— Kevin Robillard (@Robillard) August 21, 2020

guess who the three longest speeches are by

Clintons loved those endless laundry lists of policies speeches.

although, as a million other people + me just replied to that, i guess audience clapping time significantly added to the length of previous speeches

Let's get that fossil fuels kill on the agenda Joe.

Didn't they just remove the plank about banning fossil fuel subsidies?

c'mon that was 30 hours ago, they're progressive and will have moved forward by now

Turns out that the DNC didn't restrict invitee Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez to only speak for a minute, in favour of Republican governor and 2016 presidential contender John Kasich, Republican representative Susan Molinari, Sepublican governor Christine Whitman, lifelong Republican and Hewett-Packard CEO and non-entertainment-enthusiast Meg Whitman, a random Pennsylvania Trump voter, McKinsey goon Pete Buttigieg, actress Alyssa Milano, corrupt nepotist Hunter Biden, accused sexual assaulter Common, accused sexual assaulter and registered Lolita Express traveller Bill Clinton, and public sexual assaulter Joe Biden.

They didn't invite her at all, and she got that minute because Bernie requested her to nominate him.

also turns out that the reason Nancy Pelosi broke the party's very important rule (that she made up (last year)) about supporting primary challengers was because Ed Markey's campaign "crossed a hallowed line" by making "assaults" on the Kennedy family, making it "imperative" that she endorsed the family she has been personally friendly with since her father ran a campaign for Kennedy's uncle sixty years ago.

is it possible for you to make a point, or does your programming limit you to tiresome recitations of public information

p sure the AOC bit there is the first time it's been mentioned ITT

is it possible for you to make a point, or does your programming limit you to tiresome recitations of public information

― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, August 21, 2020 2:47 AM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

when's the last time you made a point? all i ever see you do is dance around them and inform other posters that you're rolling your eyes at them

is it possible for you to make a point, or does your programming limit you to tiresome recitations of public information

― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto)

ok, here's a point. your behavior, as a mod and a poster, has been chronically abusive to biden critics for fucking months now, and as much as i respect the other posters in the discussion here, i don't ever get the sense that that respect is reciprocated, and i don't feel safe being part of this board right now.

yeah that’s new info (to me) re AOC

and if you honestly don’t see how this is a problem with Democratic (Party) Direction, well bud you’re a fucking idiot

fuck. I’m sorry Tombot. and I don’t even mean *you* specifically.

I think it’s about time I just become an ILM-only guy

i don't feel safe being part of this board right now

In the "posting on ILX is bad for my brain" sense? Or do you mean something else? Genuine, non-antagonistic curiosity.

your behavior, as a mod

my behavior as a mod is this: I deal with requests posted on the mod req board and I approve/disapprove the new user registrations that pop up when I'm logged in. None of that has anything to do with the minute political differences that I have with people "on the left" or whatever.

I'll take the rest of your criticism seriously but my use of mod powers is limited to housekeeping. I spent enough time in the late 2000s being gaslit by the Friends of Trolls Society that I no longer have any interest in doing anything else.

I think the thing is don't turn these threads into a news aggregator site of "first!" If you are going to post shit/inane tweets have a point, a personal opinion, a summary, instead of using the board as your datadump.

for the most part longtime posters here have enough of a sense what news is pertinent to a given thread and warrants posting here. I learn shit all the time here that would otherwise escape my eye in the morass of social media political content.

Anyway I’m definitely not clear on what is so egregious about sic’s recent posts. The gripe seems more to do w/ his politics than w/ any “news redundancy”

do but the way I communicate with other people is through strategic tweet reposts and wikipedia citations?!

lol, xp and not “do”

I appreciate the news aggregator aspect of ILX as well (and I'm sure I'm guilty of that behavior), but yeah, it's better when you have some kind of take other than "get a load of these clowns."

I’ve avoided all the politics threads for my own well-being for months, but the one thing I’ve decided is that the top-down approach isn’t going to work and it’s back to the streets if we’re going to build the left wing of the party from the ground-up

I’ve been very encouraged by some of the very-local voices that have come out of the recent era, and even more disappointed with some of the mainstays in my city(/county/state)

I think the thing that sticks with me is that, while you may protest and yell at politicians on the right in office, it’s still your duty to hold those you vote for to account as well, and that’s something the majority of the population really needs incentivized to do

just some thoughts not necessarily related to the current DNC convention moment, just observations from the ground over this endless summer

As a poster whose tone can often be described as "sneering" and someone who posts a lot of links, Tweets, images, etc., I had no problem with the tone or the content of sic's posts.

it’s back to the streets if we’re going to build the left wing of the party from the ground-up

Agreed. Running for city council > running some no-hoper (meaning a Green Party or similar candidate, not meaning Bernie - I hate him, but he did have a legit shot) for president.

re: top-down vs streets

i think it's both. if it's ever going to get better, it's going to involve both

they're symbiotic

It would be great to get more people with experience in activism into elected office.

I’d settle for someone who had a set of actual bullet-pointed principles, some of which couldn’t be compromised on, and then stuck to them

I guess that’s what sunk George Bush re: “no new taxes” but, hey, live by your words, die by your words

your behavior, as a mod and a poster, has been chronically abusive

I'd guess rushomancy was thinking of saying things like, instead of "btw you're racking up some FPs while you're agitated, might wanna chill out or take a break," h.e.g "everyone hates you and I know because I'm a mod"

It's also reasonable to estimate that periodic nigh-libelous attacks on other posters carry more social weight if they come from a poster who also separately happens to be a mod.

“nigh-libelous” oh OK

Just because I happen to clean up after poster errors and try to remove egregious posts when they get pointed out and approve new users that aren’t obvious spammers doesn’t mean I no longer get to hold the opinion that you are a supercilious pedantic twat and express my irritation on that point from time to time.

That’s enough of me engaging on this bullshit, you can have the last word if you like.

I am a mod on two other boards. 98% of the job is housekeeping and the residue is refereeing antagonisms that seem to arise out of pure irritability. I don't agree that anyone being a mod on ilx grants their opinions one scintilla of greater "social weight" in my mind. It's just another opinion and carries its own inherent weight, no more, no less.

El Tomboto is just as susceptible to irritability as other ilxors, maybe more so, but he is subject to FPs, just like anyone else. Address his words, plz. His modding is irrelevant to the issue of whether he is unacceptably abusive toward other ilxors.

ok, fp'd him, thanks, aimless

that's the ticket!

“nigh-libelous” oh OK

Shouting at ILX in general that they're stupid because they believe anything a poster types or says IRL about their life, when you can perceive that the poster has been engaged in a long-term campaign of fantasy in order to extort sympathy, and that neither the poster nor people who have offered them sympathy deserve any respect, is more the sort of thing I'm referring to.

I don’t think tombo has abused his mod authority (lol) aside from the silby incident but it is a bit weird to have a mod who seemingly exists entirely to vent seething inchoate rage at other posters who don’t share his worldview.

can we replace tombot as mod with sic? thanks in advance

it is a bit weird to have a mod who seemingly exists entirely to vent seething inchoate rage at other posters who don’t share his worldview

I don't see why mods should have less freedom of expression than any other poster.

I didn’t say he shouldn’t? I said it was weird. I think it’s weird in general to be that angry about nothing, obviously.

definitely don't let unperson be a mod. thanks in advance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shermanesque_statement

Can someone remind me what the donation bundler was that was looking at the tightest state races with low fundraising? I forget what it was called. It might've been Swing Left but I went there and couldn't find the page there, that named directly 8 or so competitive candidates.

you might be thinking of https://www.futurenow.org/givesmart/

ty that's it!

^ yeah. that org has their eye on state legislative races that will affect redistricting in 2021. the kochs worked that angle hard in 2010 and came up big for conservatives.

I've never donated to any political races before, but this year feels particularly awful. So good job, 2020.

Buttigieg also included a photo of himself as a kid dressed up as Spock for Halloween.

File this under "things that will remind most of ILX why they hate Buttigieg but remind me why I like Buttigieg"