Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

representation matters and any Lefty who says “nah” is generally, imo, not to be trusted. I just think there’s a real danger that Democrats/ liberals can fall into with the whole “we👏need👏more👏trans👏bipoc👏ICE agents”, etc

I don’t think of a POC on a corporate board as window dressing - that sounded more to me like using POC in public-facing roles (or as stars of a show or whatever) to obscure the all-white corporation and shareholders behind it.

That’s the kind of representation I see being dismissed out of hand.

good post, sic. this is good criticism, the kind that can be responded to, rests on some sort of assertion, and has a point.

cheers km, unfortunately I have to cancel myself bcz these are actually repeated points I have made before itt *evaporates*

if you separate out all the repeated points maybe the entire thread can *evaporate* hmm

lol well no one's perfect, and sometimes repetition is important for forgetful people like me :)

anyway, i didn't mean to single you out too much, i just think there has been some really good biden criticisms in this thread and some extremely bad, tedious kinds of criticism, and i was trying to gently highlight the kind that is more effective

xp

I just think there’s a real danger that Democrats/ liberals can fall into with the whole “we👏need👏more👏trans👏bipoc👏ICE agents”

Who on this board has said anything remotely like this? ffs gabbneb doesn't post here anymore

And yes, I'm going to take very personally arguments that simultaneously deny the worth of my existence and blame me for not making enough money to protect myself from racism, which is how jim in vancouver come across to me and why I say he is peak white-duding

resumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden called Thursday for an immediate nationwide mask mandate that would require everyone in the country to wear masks when outside for the next three months.

Doing so will save the lives of at least 40,000 people, he said in brief remarks in Delaware that followed a lengthy briefing on the coronavirus crisis.

“Every single American should be wearing a mask when they’re outside for the next three months at a minimum,” Biden said, emphasizing each word. “Every governor should mandate it.”

think it's worth mentioning that if biden was president during this cycle, hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved. seems important

that's true of basically every/any democrat tbf

Who on this board has said anything remotely like this? ffs gabbneb doesn't post here anymore

I can’t say it’s never happened,
But not every post I make is a passive aggressive shot at someone else here. I think the ppl here are generally pretty on the level, esp compared w the wider social media verse.

that's true of basically every/any democrat tbf

it's probably even true of Herman Cain tbtda

i just think there has been some really good biden criticisms in this thread and some extremely bad, tedious kinds of criticism

101% get why some ppl are annoyed by eg. much of milo's venting, but shouting at eg. him to stop posting about Biden in the Biden thread is far more tedious and takes up much more space, so

I think Laymon gets it right in his take-- of course these systems of white supremacy have essentially forced non-white people to fit into a white supremacist mode of operation to get ahead, even while facing discrimination themselves.

It's important to take that into consideration when thinking about representation and idpol, particularly at the national level...

But that doesn't mean that Harris can't be criticized for her positions and actions of the past.

One of the big problems that I have with some strains of idpol is that they actually engage in racist tropes that flatten identities into monoliths. Leftists who critique Harris or Obama or Francisco Cantu or one of the gay mayors out there aren't critiquing entire identities 99% of the time. They're critiquing people with those identities on substantive issues.

Like, the flattening of Harris by the media as representative of all Black people and all Indian people is absolutely racist! And yet a lot of people buy into it.

flagged post, for truth

xp #notallidentitypolitics

White supremacy is also idpol, so yeah.

Negative thought: Every time I think to myself "Where the fuck is Joe Biden?" I see one of his extremely feeble spots and realize it's better if he stays underground, he looks like he's fading away.
Positive thought: Whatever I think of Kamala Harris, my daughters got extremely, ecstatically excited when I told them there was a woman VP candidate and that alone is enough for me to feel very good about the pick right now.

Yes. For as long as I'm in the classroom in the fall (Ontario, like everywhere, is a mess right now), I'll be talking non-stop about Harris to kids in the junior grades.

what if they had been old enough to get excited when Palin was picked? xp

God is dead
Herman Cain is alive
The Mets are shit

biden's national mask mandate idea is out, and the reviews are in! anti-scientific! defeatist! and "good politics, i guess"!

From inside the White House briefing room, Trump slammed Biden over his declaration that there should immediately be a nationwide three-month mask mandate to slow the pandemic.

“[Biden] wants the president of the United States, with the mere stroke of a pen, to order over 300 million American citizens to wear a mask. … He thinks it’s good politics, I guess,” Trump said.

Biden said in his remarks earlier in the day that governors need to mandate the use of masks.

“I trust the American people and their governors very much. I trust the American people, and the governors want to do the right thing to make the smart decisions,” Trump said during a White House coronavirus briefing. “Joe doesn’t, Joe doesn’t. Joe doesn’t know too much.”

Trump accused Biden of “playing politics from the sidelines” and called the former vice president’s plan “regressive,” “anti-scientific” and “very defeatist.”

there's no way he learned how to use a hyphen on his own, ghostwritten.

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117521125_3802855163064239_4491092631761849076_n.png?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=2d5d41&_nc_ohc=Bv7ULg5v9LgAX-f4jie&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=d4df78dc8798c80ecfd5100b27f6b153&oe=5F5BF872

A Pew Research Center poll asked voters to describe in their own words why they were backing or leaning toward Biden or Trump. For 56 percent of Biden voters, their main reason for supporting the former vice president is that he’s “not Trump.”

An additional 19 percent said they were supporting Biden because of his “leadership,” and 13 percent cited his “temperament/personality.”

There was not one overwhelming reason Trump voters named for backing the president. The top reasons were his leadership (23 percent), his policies (21 percent) and that he is not Biden (19 percent).

sorry if this was the wrong thread to bump. i know there has been an extended discussion on the purpose of this thread, and where to put the general election stuff. i don't know who won

A Pew Research Center poll asked voters to describe in their own words why they were backing or leaning toward Biden or Trump.

i think that if Pew asked me this, in the heat of the moment i would also say something like "to be honest, i will vote for absolutely any alternative to trump because trump is a white supremacist who is also the dumbest man in the northern hemisphere", which they would probably write down as "not trump"

sanders would likely have had a plurality if voters claiming “he’s not trump” as their main reason for support too. people fucking hate trump.

*of not if

but popular protest stands a chance of filling this empty vessel with a sense of purpose. maybe the way popular protest steered lbj towards policies he didn't campaign on

the sense I got about LBJ from the Doris K-G biography is that he wanted to win and he wanted to be liked, and a lot of it for him was about "playing the game well" -- so I got the sense that because the protest was popular, he supported it and advocated those policies. If he hadn't been the recipient of pressure from activists and other progressive politicians, he would have adhered more to the traditional Southern wing of the party. He was basically "whip" for quite a while, wasn't he? His job was to maintain Democratic Party solidarity and to beat the Republicans -- not jumping on that bandwagon seemed like it would work in the Republicans favor, idk, some of y'all know more about this than me, but it makes sense in terms of the contradictions in his policies (esp re Vietnam) and also the delays in implementation he granted southern states for integration. (Pretty sure this started with LBJ and not Nixon)

Idk how this reflects on Biden ... I recently (latepass I know) watched the docudrama about Anita Hill and whoa does Biden look bad in that.

yassss kween

^ drive-by dreadsnark at old video, ignore accordingly

this excerpt is worse, really

Kamala Harris continued on to describe how she'd brought charges against a single homeless mother of 3 who was working 2 jobs because her children were truant...and this was a success story. pic.twitter.com/FT5uJmI6x9

— Walker Bragman (@WalkerBragman) January 28, 2019

Like, you could tell that story as one of the tragedy of our broken society but it's just a punchline about how using homicide prosecutors (notoriously wonderful, upright people who are definitely not the villain of half of the true crime documentaries people eat up) and the threat of incarceration was cool.

I still can't believe the headline here - a UK columnist presenting as unexpected insight what is apparently just fact.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/12/president-kamala-harris-in-2024-this-might-be-joe-bidens-thinking

Even on day one, the choice reminds us that Biden is very serious about winning the election.

"Even on day one, the choice reminds us that Biden is very serious about winning the election."

omg, that is the best encapsulation of liberal dialectics ever. it's two and a half months before the election and the best case anybody is making for joe biden is to say "no really he really _does_ want to win election as president of the united states of america. yes, admittedly, he's doing such a fucking awful, sub-fred-thompson job of it that an increasing numbers of people are openly accusing him of trying to lose on purpose, and we would like to address these rumors head on: they're not true. joe biden wants to be the next president of the united states of america."

(raised hand) "Hi, I'm a Democratic Socialist, would Joe Biden like me to vote for him? If so, why?"

"Thank you for asking that question, it's a very good one. I want to confirm that YES, Joe Biden would like you to vote for him, because democratic socialism is bad and wrong and he is not."

neither of these guys has a good case to be made president! i think that's very clear! even how they got into this position is very clear! it's a bad time.

oh for the record that was rhetorical i am _not_ personally a democratic socialist, i'm an intersectional socialist

i'm a satanist socialist

neutral good, taurus

i'm a broken socialist

I want money and I don't care where it comes from. Government handouts, beneficient corporations, Satan, wherever.

i'm a satanist socialist

― popeye's arse (Neanderthal)

LaVeyan?

lol I'm not really, though the socialist part is true. I just wanted an additional modifier as I felt left out

i'm a broken socialist

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius)

everything and everyone is broken, you can just call yourself a "socialist"

intersectional has specific meaning to me but it gets super into the weeds and i'm certainly not going to get into it on this thread

ecumenical socialism

morbs was probably making a joke about the band

Swolecialism, everyone works out hard at a cooperatively-owned gym in order to have the physical fitness to fight through the post-apocalyptic wasteland

I like it

morbs was probably making a joke about the band

― beaky joshing shamanic part-angster (sic)

you know i had completely forgotten that band existed

just when i thought my day couldn't get worse