Yet believing in good vs evil tends to make people believe that societal forces aren't the root cause of crime; Satan is.
This is not a feature of “religion”
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:00 (three years ago) link
To me there isn’t much use clarifying that there might be a god for the same reason I don’t have to clarify that existence might be a simulation. Sure either thing might be the case but no compelling evidence encourages me to make that distinction as a disclaimer even if I choose to strongly assert “there is no god”.
― Evan, Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:00 (three years ago) link
I am happy to stand down on any semantic quarrel with atheists, or those who deny the existence of leprechauns. We cool, rock on with your bad selves.
But I remain at fierce odds with agnostics who think an Abrahamic god (beard, clouds, etc.) is more plausible than, say, Kali or Dionysus or Huitzilopotchli.
― pizzagnostic (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:02 (three years ago) link
It's a feature of the religions practiced by more than half of humanity. I didn't just mean Christianity. And it's just one example of a religious trait I find problematic.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:03 (three years ago) link
Abrahamic god (beard, clouds, etc.)
Only one Abrahamic religion I’m familiar with commonly portrays God as a bearded cloud guy
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:03 (three years ago) link
But I don’t really know anything about Baha’i.
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:04 (three years ago) link
Whatever, silby. Delete the beard and clouds if you like - it's still no more (or less!) plausible than Neptune or Ra or Hephaestus.
― pizzagnostic (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:09 (three years ago) link
Thank you for whatevering away a critical distinction between Christianity and two of the other famous Abrahamic religions, that’s very sensitive
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:11 (three years ago) link
Say Christianity when you mean Christianity, that’s all I am asking for
If the correction you're making doesn't affect the thrust of the point that was being made, you're just being a nitpicky dick
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:11 (three years ago) link
Hmmm no I don’t see it that way
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:12 (three years ago) link
It kind of weakens the argument when the points y’all are trying to make about “religion” are in fact just about Christianity, the only religion you know anything interesting about.
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:13 (three years ago) link
silby, are you suggesting that Yahweh and Allah are somehow on better ontological footing because... (checks notes) they aren't depicted as being bearded? Please help me understand exactly where you're going with this line of inquiry.
― pizzagnostic (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:17 (three years ago) link
Of course not
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:18 (three years ago) link
idgi, the big 3 monotheistic religions all have the same god and p much share a “bearded guy” conception, don’t they?
― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:18 (three years ago) link
I’m just asking you not to attribute to (more than) two vastly different Abrahamic religions things that apply mostly or solely to (some variations of) Christianity
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:19 (three years ago) link
― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, August 1, 2020 7:18 PM (one minute ago)
No
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:20 (three years ago) link
Okay silby, your correction is duly noted and will be entered into the record. These major faith traditions have different iconography. The point is conceded.
They're all still equally speculative, though. Therefore equally ungrounded. They may differ in how fun they are, how entertaining they are to believe in, and how silly they seem when viewed from the outside. But still: all equally speculative. Perhaps we can agree on that much?
― pizzagnostic (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:26 (three years ago) link
AFAIK hinduism explains evil/bad things happening via karma. I also find this problematic. The only religious explanation I would be OK with is "god is an evil irrational sadist". If you can find a religion that is practiced by a population larger than that of Amarillo TX, then I'll withdraw my careless smearing of all religions.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:29 (three years ago) link
"the only religion you know anything interesting about."
Ah more condescension. Really feeling a need to feel superior to others today huh. My feelings are, just as I stated initially, applicable to all belief systems based on supernatural creator(s).
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:32 (three years ago) link
God tripped balls
― XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:34 (three years ago) link
I mean I guess? I’m not really here to engage the question of which gods are and aren’t plausible, because I don’t think it’s interesting
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:35 (three years ago) link
they cannot stand this mourningof my lifeshow mehow the godsare and aren't plausible
(riff)
― XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:37 (three years ago) link
idgi, the big 3 monotheistic religions all have the same god and p much share a “bearded guy” conception, don’t they?― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, August 1, 2020 7:18 PM (one minute ago)No
― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 2 August 2020 03:55 (three years ago) link
Uhhh in two of them it’s prohibited to draw a picture of a human man with a beard and say it’s god, is my first point
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 03:56 (three years ago) link
Odin has a beard too motherfuckers
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Sunday, 2 August 2020 03:59 (three years ago) link
“Punishing father” doesn’t really resemble the conception of God that I or other actual extant Jews of my acquaintance would be likely to describe.
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 04:01 (three years ago) link
https://img.etsystatic.com/il/a170ff/1041158026/il_fullxfull.1041158026_rcn6.jpg
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Sunday, 2 August 2020 04:03 (three years ago) link
While God gets the masculine gender in Biblical Hebrew and in one stray part of the liturgy I can think of gets called “our parent” (lit. father) “God the Father” is not really a thing I’m familiar with having any significance in Judaism.
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 04:06 (three years ago) link
I’m afraid I don’t know remotely as much about Islam I would like but the prohibition on iconography is even stronger there than it is in Judaism, I’m willing to bet there are nearly zero depictions of god as a “bearded guy” in Islamic art
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 04:10 (three years ago) link
“How do the theologies of three different religions with pointedly divergent histories differ” is kind of a large question imo, I wish I could tell you more but maybe you could read this book, seems good http://stephenprothero.com/books/god-is-not-one/
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 04:14 (three years ago) link
You’re really good at drunk posting for a person who doesn’t drink
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Sunday, 2 August 2020 04:15 (three years ago) link
Lay the fuck off
Me??
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 04:19 (three years ago) link
yes. go to bed
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Sunday, 2 August 2020 04:20 (three years ago) link
Tom I live on the west coast, I dunno why I seem drunk to you this is the most levelheadedly I’ve been posting all day
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 04:20 (three years ago) link
I’m trying to answer questions in “”””””””good faith””””””””” for once so I don’t know what your malfunction is
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 04:21 (three years ago) link
I am giving you advice. you have nearly 40 fps. you are generally disliked. consider your approach.
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Sunday, 2 August 2020 04:24 (three years ago) link
That’s a lot! I could stand to get 51 clearly transmisogyny and antisemitism are more popular here than I am so I don’t know what good I could be getting from posting here
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 04:29 (three years ago) link
silby, as far as I know you are just words type on a screen. I know nothing more about you. whatever you type is what gets reacted to. not any manifestation of trans-ness or Jewishness, apart from your words. try to grasp that maybe your presentation of your thoughts is what people find difficult.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Sunday, 2 August 2020 04:33 (three years ago) link
Correct, style is meaningless here, it’s only about what you stand for according to yourself
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Sunday, 2 August 2020 04:34 (three years ago) link
I am agnostic rather than atheist, but think there should be more of a space for spirituality within traditionally secular left spaces. This isn't something I'm thinking in a particularly prescriptive way and may already be happening to some extent
― anvil, Sunday, 2 August 2020 04:56 (three years ago) link
What a bizarre thread to choose to yell at silby, the one where he’s levelheadedly explaining how some of us are acting ignorantly.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Sunday, 2 August 2020 05:02 (three years ago) link
Okay now I'm the drunk one but Silbs you are making a huge leap into the question of iconography from "prevailing conception"—I thought it was evident that "old bearded guy" was proverbial and not referring to thundercloud guy in the comics.
While God gets the masculine gender in Biblical Hebrew
This is a *lot* to handwave considering the question. The Abrahamic god is literally a "he" who begets man in his image—a man. The distinction is evidently important enough that a woman could only be created in turn by that man. It's patriarchy's big bang.
I can't argue this, but can only wonder why...? I mean these are people who have read the Pentateuch? Man-god is smiting everything in site!
The father-son construct is central to the messianic conception...men descended from men, the line of Abraham through Jacob, all the way down the line. Jesus wasn't a Christian. There weren't any Christians! He was a Jew drafting in father/son mythology that dovetailed with prophecy.
DADS I say!
― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 2 August 2020 07:49 (three years ago) link
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ir0EouHan6Q/hqdefault.jpg
― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 2 August 2020 07:52 (three years ago) link
Option should have been "God no"
― Mark G, Sunday, 2 August 2020 08:41 (three years ago) link
Hadrian I’m taking a long long break after this post that I will use to implore you for a last time to not say “Abrahamic” in instances when you mean “Christian”. The Jewish and Muslim gods begat no sons. And the religion the supposed Yeshuah ben Yosef grew up in is not the one Jews practice now. You are unwittingly (I hope) trotting our anti-Semitic commonplaces and you should stop.
Ok goodbye forever!
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 2 August 2020 11:36 (three years ago) link
I think he's talking about Adam there not Jesus?
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 August 2020 11:47 (three years ago) link
i'm not interested in entering this madhouse but there is a very real difference between begat and created
― À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 2 August 2020 11:50 (three years ago) link
Of course, but then the rest of the paragraph doesn't make any sense.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 August 2020 11:51 (three years ago) link