Posts you had second thought about and decided not to post - put them here

Joseph-Ignace Guillotin, that most humane of physicians.

Hey, you ought to have seen how they executed people before the Revolution.

Oh, I know.

Bundling people on to boats and setting them on fire was also not ideal

It was Thermidoreans what did that.

Infernal columns of 1793, surely, pre-Thermidorean-reaction?

(guessing we're all listening to the same podcast)

it must be serious, you forgot your wife's name

If there were no meaningful difference at all between the way that "people who were assigned male" are treated, and the way that "people who were assigned female" are treated, then no one would ever need to transition socially in any form, ever, in this world, because it just literally wouldn't make any difference.

Like, you are so far down the spiral of denying the fabric of trans people's actual lived experience I don't even know what level of transphobia you are on?

buddy I don’t know what to tell you other than that I think u hate trans women

xp you should instead post that post directly into the thread into which you originally intended it because life is too short to not say exactly what you mean if and when you mean it

X x post

That’s a bizarre and massive over-generalisation... People transition for many different kinds of reasons.

I like ice cream

It's also frankly AMAZING, how there is literally ~no difference at all~ between a gay bathhouse, and a "queer poetry night - anyone who has ever felt any connection to the word 'woman' welcome" at the Feminist Library. These spaces are completely identical, and their functions utterly indistinguishable, and it's totally transphobia city to imply any difference!!!!!

I mean... it's almost as if people are responding to massive over-generalisations with... other massive over-generalisations, to make a point about the absurd reductivity of the first reaction?

I like ice cream and cheese -- they are similar, but different -- discussing the differences between them from the perspective of ice cream does not mean that you are cheesephobic

Is this bad faith????!???!??!!!!

presumably you were fine for the long time you didn't post here. is there any way we can go back to that arrangement? i felt a lot more comfortable in that space. xp to branwell

in good faith I can state that I am a supporter of delicious dairy products which include both ice cream and cheese; I also feel like denying that there are different issues regarding privilege and bias between people treated as female from birth vs. those treated as male from birth is a real headscratcher for me ...

Branwell let’s be perfectly fucking clear here your preoccupation with “AMABs” and “AFABs” is hateful and dangerous and if that’s how the galaxy brained queers you hang out with are talking about cis men, trans women, and transfeminine nonbinary people in the same breath all the time then feel free to fuck back to that chatroom and don’t bring that shit to this board that you hate posting on anyway.

Like I don’t know what discursive culdesac you’ve trapped whoever is naive enough to hang out with you in but leave us out of it alright?

maybe it's an issue of feeling like transwomen and nb-ppl who were AMAB are behaving in ways similar to the ways cis-men have behaved to Branwell on ilx in their history on this board?

I’m not about to speculate on what Branwell’s issues are

well, Branwell has posted many times about and has expressed the perception that the fact they were AFAB (and presented as a woman for many years) -- led to a lot of the hostility from the cis-male posters in the past, that B feels they would not have received had they been "a man" at the time?

Like, seriously.

Me: "The creation of gendered adults from the genders assigned to children is a nonconsensual and often violent process, which is applied in very different ways to people who are considered to be female, and those considered to be men."

Reponse: YOU HATE TRANS WOMEN!!!!!

It's not anything to do with what I'm saying, is it? It's the fact that it's *me* saying it, right? Because this starts to feel like gaslighting after a while.

I know what my issue is, which is their rearing up out of the depths of the ocean to bully a genderqueer poster off the board twice in two years while spouting off about AMAB this and AMAB that is more than enough recent evidence I need to call them out for their transmisogyny.

maybe it's an issue of feeling like transwomen and nb-ppl who were AMAB are behaving in ways similar to the ways cis-men have behaved to Branwell on ilx in their history on this board?

No, it's more like... so-called "queer" spaces which are dominated by cis gay males often replicate misogyny in ways that are not always apparent to trans women or AMAB enbys.

Branwell if you were making the same posts as an unidentifiable sock in the same threads rest entirely fucking assured I would be reacting the same way

I truly cannot fathom how you are so wise as to understand that trans women are not as attuned to misogyny as you are

I’m really glad you’re here bringing your elevated understanding of AMABs to us

silby -- I would not use the phrase "bully a poster off the board" here -- like, I feel that B should have been more sensitive to Brad, esp. considering the history from 2 years ago, but -- "bullying a poster off the board" compared to what ilx used to be like, and what some of us went through when ilx was like that -- esp. Branwell? ... poor choice of words.

It’s interesting that you would not use that phrase, what are some other phrases you wouldn’t use

“I was wrong”

I wouldn't use the phrase "you should clearly keep antagonizing Branwell"

What happens to people who antagonize Branwell, is it unpleasant

ilx has a search function

god 'antagonizing'.. this sort of weird warped language and discourse that emerges around narcissists, like simultaneously they suffer all the harm and deserve all the placation

You act like I have never experienced misogyny. You act like I have never experienced transphobia. You act like I've never been bullied nearly to the point of suicide by people on this board. When I first started transitioning, there were men on this forum who started entire threads board lawyering for the right to deadname me - where were you, springing up to fight that transphobia? (I think it was pretty much FGTI the only person who did, at that point.)

You project the wildest shit into completely reasonable things which have been echoed many times, in trans and enby support groups, by trans women as well.

You're right, I don't get on with brad nelson, as a poster. We do not see eye to eye, and I suspect we never will. If the mere act of "not getting on with a nonbinary person" makes someone transphobic - hello, I'm trans and nonbinary!

Too grisly to mention??

I wouldn't use the phrase "you should clearly keep antagonizing Branwell"

also, it is just garbage behavior. Like, where is it getting you? It certainly doesn't seem to be coming from a place of respect and attempt at mediation or listening. ... One could call it bullying ... idk ... i really like ice cream

cis people don’t have any kind of monopoly on hating trans people

You're right, I don't get on with brad nelson, as a poster.

so why the fuck did you engage them? why are you still here? get the fuck out

i stopped watching that monopoly doc before the last episode ...

I've literally had trans women talk to me about how they feel safer in spaces run by "women and nonbinary afabs" than they do in cis gay male spaces, but it's transphobic for me to make the same assertion?

I can totally see Mark Wahlberg playing that dude

i for one don't fucking care about your trans credentials. you're a goddamn creep who makes this board a worse place to be for multiple people. xp

I didn't engage Brad. Brad inserted themself into a piece of advice I was giving to the father of an AFAB child who was coming out as maybe lesbian / bisexual / nonbinary - and was tailored specifically for an AFAB person, because I was speaking about an AFAB person - and started screaming at me because they felt this piece of advice (which was never aimed at them) did not adequately cover their specific experience.

Brad started this, and was not the slightest bit interested in engaging with me or listening to me.

You're a bunch of playground bullies, shouting that I'm the bully. It's just absurd.

You are transphobic as fuck to me, you're misogynist as hell, and yet accuse me of "hating trans women" to cover your own bullying.

You have no interest in any experience outside your own self-righteousness, but you scream that I'm a "narcissist" if I defend myself in any way.

go steamroll over some other people who aren't on ilxor.com for god's sake