Things that are happening over the next five years:
- Recession with a potential depression, depending on how the Tories manage it
- Brexit, with a potential break up of the UK and further depletion of GDP
- with an option of a climate event.
I think saying the Tories will get away with it is something understandable given the last few years, but that can also be called naive.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 19 July 2020 13:58 (three years ago) link
Not naivety, just thinking with the press actively working to hush up bad stories and hyperfocus on the opposition, any old cunt could do what they liked and get away with it, and thus far that’s been the case.
― scampos mentis (gyac), Sunday, 19 July 2020 15:24 (three years ago) link
That's a perennial state of affairs and it will happen again with Starmer. The government doesn't necessarily benefit if it's sufficiently discredited in the eyes of the electorate though (and if the public doesn't give enough of a shit about the stories themselves). We're a way off that yet and there are more than enough people in the country who fundamentally want what the Tories are offering.
Alphie your post is slightly playing down the ability of the right to make hay out of a crisis though. The Tories probably see a disputed Scottish referendum as an opportunity for one thing - the very fact of holding it would be disputed in court and it gives the Tories the opportunity to look like defenders of the union while placing Labour in an incredibly difficult position.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 19 July 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link
We're not talking any old cunt here, we're talking Boris Johnson, who really does get away with stuff that no other UK politician can get away with.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 July 2020 16:05 (three years ago) link
I remember this. I also remember how this same Labour MP instigated a racist pile on because I dared to do some material about her at a Stand Up 4 Labour gig. Assisted by Stella Creasy and Guido Fawkes. https://t.co/eoFxxfJb8a— No such thing as BAME 🇩🇲🇧🇧#FatAndRound (@thetwerkinggirl) July 19, 2020
Jess Phillips' and other Labour arseholes like Creasy's conscious bias towards a fellow black MP
― calzino, Sunday, 19 July 2020 22:59 (three years ago) link
well Stella's conscious bias towards a black comedian, but fuck all these arseholes!
― calzino, Sunday, 19 July 2020 23:01 (three years ago) link
Bunch of failed human beings! 🤮I blame the parents. If we look at their backgrounds I expect we’ll see parents who’ve passed their rearing to anyone else except themselves. I think we should ask their parents what they think of their children’s behaviour. Are they proud?— #PeopleB4Privilege #BLM #IStandWithChrisWilliamson (@2010somerset) July 20, 2020
This country's in a really fucking weird state.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 20 July 2020 08:12 (three years ago) link
crank left got to keep cranking
― calzino, Monday, 20 July 2020 08:31 (three years ago) link
personally wouldn't stand too close to that fellow, bet his farts are rank!
― calzino, Monday, 20 July 2020 08:33 (three years ago) link
bobby pesto: "are you feeling quite scared over there?"
wtf
― ||||||||, Monday, 20 July 2020 08:38 (three years ago) link
As an impression, it's actually not that bad.
But a dreadful, dreadful scene that shows what utter bastards they all are.
― the pinefox, Monday, 20 July 2020 08:57 (three years ago) link
― scampos mentis (gyac), Sunday, 19 July 2020 bookmarkflaglink
Well as I said covid has been covered by low borrowing rates to shore up unemployment, and also tell me of another government that is in serious trouble because of its actions on covid? I'd struggle to find any resignations of top cabinet officials. There is a very good piece in The New Republic talking about how governors and Mayors across the states haven't even said sorry or resigned over the mountain of cases and deaths.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 July 2020 08:58 (three years ago) link
He will be PM pic.twitter.com/Ahjnw3Z9FE— Cllr Shepzy (@tshep42) July 19, 2020
One for Calzino.
― the pinefox, Monday, 20 July 2020 09:31 (three years ago) link
a parody account, surely?
― À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 July 2020 09:44 (three years ago) link
the whiners will vote Lab anyway
what's his scotland strategy
― ||||||||, Monday, 20 July 2020 09:44 (three years ago) link
Not to care because a Lab govt is probably the only route to a second IndyRef, I guess.
― stet, Monday, 20 July 2020 09:46 (three years ago) link
@centrist phone loves starmer and is the leading Labour Right crank of twitter, joke account!
― calzino, Monday, 20 July 2020 09:50 (three years ago) link
Big 'hates the left far more than the right' energy from the moderate "Doctor"'s twitfeed
It's it interesting how the exact same people on Left Twitter who supported Corbyn's policy of funding 10,000 extra police, are now angry because Starmer doesn't support defunding the police.
HE GOT US HE
― nashwan, Monday, 20 July 2020 09:54 (three years ago) link
I voted for pigs, deal with it!
― calzino, Monday, 20 July 2020 09:55 (three years ago) link
my contention that the centrist phone is an intelligence-services psyop remains otm
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 20 July 2020 09:56 (three years ago) link
i hated Crombyrne, i was only in it for the extra pigs tbh
― À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 July 2020 10:01 (three years ago) link
i assume Cllr Shepzy is the parody account btw
no-one with a voice like that is ever going to be pm anyway, the British constitution says: kermit voiced melt, you aren't going through the door, dickhead!
― calzino, Monday, 20 July 2020 10:05 (three years ago) link
The number of cops is irrelevant if they can’t solve burglaries but are all over black teenagers as busywork.
― santa clause four (suzy), Monday, 20 July 2020 10:05 (three years ago) link
Not naivety, just thinking with the press actively working to hush up bad stories and hyperfocus on the opposition, any old cunt could do what they liked and get away with it, and thus far that’s been the case.― scampos mentis (gyac), Sunday, 19 July 2020 bookmarkflaglinkWell as I said covid has been covered by low borrowing rates to shore up unemployment, and also tell me of another government that is in serious trouble because of its actions on covid? I'd struggle to find any resignations of top cabinet officials. There is a very good piece in The New Republic talking about how governors and Mayors across the states haven't even said sorry or resigned over the mountain of cases and deaths.
― scampos mentis (gyac), Monday, 20 July 2020 10:16 (three years ago) link
I think Cllr Shepzy is real.
― the pinefox, Monday, 20 July 2020 10:21 (three years ago) link
lord help us
― À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 July 2020 10:22 (three years ago) link
gyac - If "It’s yet to really play out" in a country with a bad handling then I'd say the same for the UK, which has been a half-way house in its handling, as in it has borrowed a lot to keep the show on the road but it's obviously far more tailored to big business and property owners.
We've seen tens of thousands of lay-offs in the last three weeks, and protection from eviction lapses in a month.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 July 2020 10:46 (three years ago) link
fairly stinging assessment of the UK's performance during the crisis on A1 of the NYTimes
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/20/world/europe/coronavirus-mistakes-france-uk-italy.html
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 July 2020 10:58 (three years ago) link
"Alphie your post is slightly playing down the ability of the right to make hay out of a crisis though."
Oh yes...well, I think we might all be underplaying the other crises we could find ourselves in though.
I often think of the generation that vote Tory do so because they've done well out if the system that has come into being (and social democracy is as much part of that as post-Thatcher capitalism). But if the crisis being engineered make us all poorer then I'm not sure the property class will indulge in pro-union backing when a lot of other things are falling apart.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 July 2020 11:26 (three years ago) link
Lower socioeconomic groups are more likely to vote Tory these days. Pains me to say so.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 20 July 2020 11:33 (three years ago) link
Labour have no little to offer to a lot of the lower social economic groups now. But it needs breaking down, poor BAME groups would vote Lab, as would many young, educated but also in precarious positions.
By the time the next election comes along there could be some serious shift for a lot of socioeconomic groups.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 July 2020 11:45 (three years ago) link
For sure.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 20 July 2020 11:46 (three years ago) link
and also tell me of another government that is in serious trouble because of its actions on covid?
Brazil 100%, US possibly.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 20 July 2020 11:52 (three years ago) link
get Modi as well and that's the four horsemen
― imago, Monday, 20 July 2020 11:53 (three years ago) link
AMLO not doing particularly well out of it either.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 20 July 2020 11:55 (three years ago) link
Bolsonaro didn't replace the sacked health minister, the choice insider quote about dealing with C-19 in Brazil sounded a bit like they are copying the UK: "this is like fixing an aircraft while it is flying".
― calzino, Monday, 20 July 2020 11:56 (three years ago) link
Serbia, Israel.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 20 July 2020 12:03 (three years ago) link
No governments have fallen in India, Brazil or the US so far -- the trouble is purely from a polling perspective, so far...and my understanding is that Netanyahu was saved by the covid crisis?
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 July 2020 12:24 (three years ago) link
Prove me wrong covid, kill Bolsanaro.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 July 2020 12:32 (three years ago) link
I think there's still rally-round-the-flag effect even in hard-hit places, it's hard to price that in. When the dust settles it's going to be whether the most incompetent govts can successfully play it off as "we did our best in the toughest times" or if they can't get the stain off.
― stet, Monday, 20 July 2020 13:17 (three years ago) link
Wasn't the Mexican President being almost as dismissive about it as Bolsanaro at one point?
― nashwan, Monday, 20 July 2020 13:20 (three years ago) link
...and my understanding is that Netanyahu was saved by the covid crisis?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-jerusalem-and-tel-aviv-thousands-rail-against-netanyahu-covid-19-polices/
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 20 July 2020 13:33 (three years ago) link
I don't know how reactionary Dr Moderate Phone is - but it's tiresome that his (?) analysis = to look at polls and say 'Starmer's doing well', as if it's KS's own achievement rather than a reflection of the political conditions that exist for KS - or, by comparison, JC, for whom politics was mainly set up to stop him 'doing well', whatever he did.
Dr M might as well look at polls and say that the current government is doing well. That wouldn't tell you much about what they're actually ... *doing*.
― the pinefox, Monday, 20 July 2020 13:33 (three years ago) link
The phase 1/2 Oxford COVID-19 vaccine trial is now published. The vaccine is safe, well-tolerated, and immunogenic. Congratulations to Pedro Folegatti and colleagues. These results are extremely encouraging. https://t.co/oQp2eoZYIg— richard horton (@richardhorton1) July 20, 2020
― stet, Monday, 20 July 2020 13:37 (three years ago) link
No governments have fallen in India, Brazil or the US so far
You said "serious trouble", not "dispensed with altogether". I think it's reasonable to say Bolsonaro is in serious trouble, certainly compared to Boris.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 20 July 2020 13:52 (three years ago) link
Don't get the sense that Bolsanaro will be impeached.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 July 2020 14:17 (three years ago) link
He's in serious trouble whether he's impeached or not - his support is eroding both amongst his political allies and amongst his supporter base (plenty of ppl who were broadly sympathetic to him are angry as fuck now that the shit has hit the fan - I'm speaking from personal experience here). He might not be impeached, he might even turn the crisis around from an electoral pov at some point, but he is undeniably in serious trouble.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 20 July 2020 14:36 (three years ago) link
jess phillips has written a thing for the independent, can you guess from the first three paragraphs what it’s about? I have been libelled many times. It happens near daily that someone posts a weird meme on Twitter claiming that Rupert Murdoch has paid me £50,000 in order to make me think a certain way. I’m not sure which annoys me more, the fact that I am being shamed and judged for receiving money of which I have never got to spend a penny, or that people think I can’t have my own opinions and must have some powerful man or another puppeteering me.I guess that money must be sitting in a bank account somewhere with all the cash that people have claimed I get from the Israeli government for daring to speak out on antisemitism. One day perhaps my great-great-niece will be contacted by heir hunters and receive the spoils of hundreds of thousands of pounds I never knew existed.Periodically, I get so annoyed about the lies I read about myself that I contact a lawyer and ask what can be done about it, but I always end up concluding that the amount of money, time and personal pain that would have to be endured isn’t worth it. Much like the fact that I ignore an old injury that causes my ankle to fracture every couple of years, I can’t be bothered to take a few weeks out of circulation to undergo the surgery to fix it. There are too many other things going on and I simply don’t have time.
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 20 July 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link
i count fifteen ‘I’s in those three paras btw
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 20 July 2020 14:45 (three years ago) link