Mostly Apolitical Thread for Discussing/Venting our Rational/Irrational COVID-19 Fears and Experiences in 2020

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You won’t catch me dining in before 2021 probably.

all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 17 July 2020 01:26 (three years ago) link

We’re going to an island to spend two nights in a beach place at the start of august tho. I plan to bring the waffle iron.

all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 17 July 2020 01:27 (three years ago) link

My mom, sis, and two nieces ate outside at an almost deserted restaurant on Sanibel yesterday. I say "almost" because a geriatric couple hobbled in with masks held on by what looked like duct tape. Mask requirement in place. I/we felt safe.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 July 2020 01:55 (three years ago) link

maybe consider doing it again before all vestiges of good weather disappear :-)

Gah, I am not looking forward to this when it starts dropping down below 50 again, let alone in the dead of winter.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 July 2020 02:15 (three years ago) link

local theatre is putting on a production of Assassins. can't even believe it.

they claim the seating will be limited, social distanced, thorough cleaning of the theater, temperature checks, etc, but....my god is that a tone deaf move. and right now, most people have no interest in going.

the kicker is that one of the people sponsoring the show claims it needs to happen now because the message of the show is too timely to delay it (we LITERALLY did this production, he and I, back in 2018 - it gets done ALL OF THE TIME to the point where it's saturated in Orlando).

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Friday, 17 July 2020 02:22 (three years ago) link

it opens tomorrow so I guess any chance of canceling it is over.

meanwhile, my other best friend (who I don't talk about as much) invited me to go to a local brewery Sunday. I was dumbfounded, and said "dude, did you forget bars without kitchens are closed statewide right now?".

even if they weren't, I'd only consider it with outdoor seating, which is my rule atm, and that particular brewery only has indoor seating due to food trucks taking up the outdoor space.

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Friday, 17 July 2020 02:24 (three years ago) link

I also just want to say to Jon via chi and any others, my recent comment wasn't meant to be some 'woe is me but I'm positive so you should be too' type of thing. I've never found that sort of thing helpful so I'm sorry if it came off that way.

It was more explaining how I manage to stay even remotely positive in spite of the situation, and that is a direct result of the fucked-up nature of my past year or two of life.

Trust me when I say I am frightened and totally pessimistic at the moment. But the sky looked nice tonight, eh.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Friday, 17 July 2020 03:05 (three years ago) link

No worries table, I didn't take your comment as such. Just a reminder to myself more than anything. I was able to get out for about an hour and a half walk last night while the temp was still in the 70s, before it rockets back up to the 90s, so that helped quite a bit. Right now I'm just wishing some anxiety around work would resolve, but I'm trying to remind myself that its out of my hands and I'll just have to wait and see.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 17 July 2020 15:10 (three years ago) link

Okay, I'm glad! So much of what is happening at the moment is out of our hands, and so what we can do is simply embrace the necessary safety precautions and care for those around us in the best way we can...and also advocate for the destruction of a system that values capital over human life.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Friday, 17 July 2020 15:20 (three years ago) link

one side effect of only briefly leaving the apartment every third day or so for four months seems to be finding every person i encounter of the gender i'm attracted to unusually gorgeous

i myself, on the other hand, look like absolute shit

mookieproof, Friday, 17 July 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link

I bet all those other hotties are thinking the same thing though

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 17 July 2020 21:01 (three years ago) link

feeling these posts

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 July 2020 21:20 (three years ago) link

Gah, I am not looking forward to this when it starts dropping down below 50 again, let alone in the dead of winter.

god when all this bullshit started I was taking a nightly walk in a hoodie and workout pants and now it's 92 at midnight

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 17 July 2020 21:25 (three years ago) link

Spring can’t come soon enough. I want to sit out.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Friday, 17 July 2020 21:36 (three years ago) link

I'm not in any hurry to get back down below 50 or anything, but considering we are going to be planted firmly in the 90s here all weekend I wouldn't mind some middle ground.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 17 July 2020 21:39 (three years ago) link

You can still socially distance outside with friends at 92. Enjoy it now while you can. Quarantine in February in the 20s-30s is going to be grim.

Tōne Locatelli Romano (PBKR), Friday, 17 July 2020 22:35 (three years ago) link

I’m far more likely to socialize outdoors at 32 than 92. Fire pits and whiskey can do the warming.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 17 July 2020 22:44 (three years ago) link

Agreed with Milo. All I want to do is be naked in my house atm.

Also feeling mookie's posts about everyone being hot. But while I feel like I look like shit, gotta say that I have been cruising and getting cruised at the grocery store lol.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Friday, 17 July 2020 23:13 (three years ago) link

when this is all said and done, the orgies in local town squares will be glorious

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 17 July 2020 23:17 (three years ago) link

blood results came back, no antibodies. and I finally know my blood type.

also gave me my cholesterol, which is still 'high', but about 35 points lower than last checkup.

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Saturday, 18 July 2020 14:22 (three years ago) link

I have a friend who has been not so subtly flirting with me for the last year, and just dated some guy who actually shares my first name (only to break up with him 3 weeks later), so she's started up again.

I'm friendly with her but I've never really been interested (honestly, I'm not interested in dating ANYBODY during a pandemic), so I low-key found an excuse not to hang out today (besides not wanting to increase my social bubble, since I am visiting a friend with cancer this week).

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Saturday, 18 July 2020 15:15 (three years ago) link

just dated some guy who actually shares my first name

if this is flirting, it is expert level

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 18 July 2020 15:30 (three years ago) link

that was more "coincidence" than anything, but he turned out to be some weird sexist and COVID truther.

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Saturday, 18 July 2020 15:51 (three years ago) link

Didn't know your first name was Donald.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 18 July 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link

fuck that the very concept of "COVID Truther" exists

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 18 July 2020 16:26 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPObzJkWueY

rob, Saturday, 18 July 2020 16:27 (three years ago) link

xp

It doesn't just exist, it's extremely widespread

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 18 July 2020 16:31 (three years ago) link

xpost LOL

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Saturday, 18 July 2020 16:35 (three years ago) link

Former coworker on FB asking "serious questions" about how the data for testing numbers is collected and are there various ways it could be screwed up. Very clear that she and her circle of friends are looking for reassurances and reinforcing their own beliefs that it's all massively blown out of proportion. RMDE

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 18 July 2020 22:29 (three years ago) link

Just send her links about how certain states are suppressing numbers.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 19 July 2020 00:16 (three years ago) link

I opting not to engage and considering hiding or unfriending.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 19 July 2020 00:29 (three years ago) link

Yeah, that's a mute minimum, drop a link then defriend if you're feeling frisky.

Tōne Locatelli Romano (PBKR), Sunday, 19 July 2020 01:40 (three years ago) link

$200 Fines for not weaRing a mask out of home in Melbourne from Wednesday

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Sunday, 19 July 2020 12:56 (three years ago) link

I got a (sad) hoot out of the video of the surfer bros comically trying to hand out masks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q3PSISAZL8

It's like watching a mash-up of "Bill & Ted" and the fight scene from "They Live."

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 19 July 2020 13:42 (three years ago) link

I did enjoy

retail rage is for suckers (Hunt3r), Sunday, 19 July 2020 14:06 (three years ago) link

surfer bro pulling his mask over his nose while talking is making an interesting point

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 19 July 2020 18:58 (three years ago) link

more depressing than funny, i have to say

Nhex, Sunday, 19 July 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link

just dated some guy who actually shares my first name

if this is flirting, it is expert level
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, July 18, 2020 10:30 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

"Oh please, like there aren't hundreds of guys in this town named Casimir"

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 19 July 2020 19:18 (three years ago) link

No idea where to put this so I'll put this here. Apparently one positive side effect of the pandemic is that premature births have dropped precipitously. This was in the NYTimes, so I'll just paste the whole thing here:

This spring, as countries around the world told people to stay home to slow the spread of the coronavirus, doctors in neonatal intensive care units were noticing something strange: Premature births were falling, in some cases drastically.

It started with doctors in Ireland and Denmark. Each team, unaware of the other’s work, crunched the numbers from its own region or country and found that during the lockdowns, premature births — especially the earliest, most dangerous cases — had plummeted. When they shared their findings, they heard similar anecdotal reports from other countries.

They don’t know what caused the drop in premature births, and can only speculate as to the factors in lockdown that might have contributed. But further research might help doctors, scientists and parents-to-be understand the causes of premature birth and ways to prevent it, which have been elusive until now. Their studies are not yet peer reviewed, and have been posted only on preprint servers. In some cases the changes amounted to only a few missing babies per hospital. But they represented significant reductions from the norm, and some experts in premature birth think the research is worthy of additional investigation.

“These results are compelling,” said Dr. Denise Jamieson, an obstetrician at Emory University’s School of Medicine in Atlanta.

About one in 10 U.S. babies is born early. Pregnancy usually lasts about 40 weeks, and any delivery before 37 weeks is considered preterm. The costs to children and their families — financially, emotionally and in long-term health effects — can be great. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, babies born premature, especially before 32 weeks, are at higher risk of vision and hearing problems, cerebral palsy and death.

The best way to avoid these costs would be to prevent early births in the first place, said Dr. Roy Philip, a neonatologist at University Maternity Hospital Limerick in Ireland.

Dr. Philip had been vacationing abroad when his country entered lockdown on March 12, and he noticed something unusual when he returned to work in late March. He asked why there had been no orders while he was gone for the breast milk-based fortifier that doctors feed to the hospital’s tiniest preemies. The hospital’s staff said that there had been no need, because none of these babies had been born all month.

Intrigued, Dr. Philip and his colleagues compared the hospital’s births so far in 2020 with births between January and April in every year since 2001 — more than 30,000 in all. They looked at birth weights, a useful proxy for very premature birth.

“Initially I thought, ‘There is some mistake in the numbers,’” Dr. Philip said.

Over the past two decades, babies under 3.3 pounds, classified as very low birth weight, accounted for about eight out of every thousand live births in the hospital, which serves a region of 473,000 people. In 2020, the rate was about a quarter of that. The very tiniest infants, those under 2.2 pounds and considered extremely low birth weight, usually make up three per thousand births. There should have been at least a few born that spring — but there had been none.

The study period went through the end of April. By the end of June, with the national lockdown easing, Dr. Philip said there had still been very few early preemies born in his hospital. In two decades, he said, he had never seen anything like these numbers.

While the Irish team was digging into its data, researchers in Denmark were doing the same thing, driven by curiosity over a “nearly empty” NICU. Dr. Michael Christiansen of the Statens Serum Institut in Copenhagen and his colleagues used newborn screening data to compare births nationwide during the strictest lockdown period, March 12 to April 14, with births during the same period in the previous five years. The data set included more than 31,000 infants.

The researchers found that during the lockdown, the rate of babies born before 28 weeks had dropped by a startling 90 percent.

Anecdotes from doctors at other hospitals around the world suggest the phenomenon may have been widespread, though not universal.

Dr. Belal Alshaikh, a neonatologist at the University of Calgary in Alberta, said premature births across Calgary dropped by nearly half during the lockdown. The change was across the board, though it seemed more pronounced in the earliest babies, he said.

At Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam, the Netherlands, Dr. Irwin Reiss, a neonatologist, saw a smaller drop-off in premature births.

At Mercy Hospital for Women outside Melbourne, Australia, there were so few premature babies that administrators asked Dr. Dan Casalaz, the hospital’s director of pediatrics, to figure out what was going on.

In the United States, Dr. Stephen Patrick, a neonatologist at Vanderbilt Children’s Hospital in Nashville, estimated there were about 20 percent fewer NICU babies at his hospital than usual in March. Although some sick full-term babies would stay in the NICU, Dr. Patrick said preterm babies usually made up most of the patients, and the drop-off seemed to have been driven by missing preemies.

When Dr. Patrick shared his observation on Twitter, some U.S. doctors shared similar stories. Others said their NICUs were as busy as ever. Some groups in other countries have said they didn’t see a change, either.

If lockdowns prevented early births in certain places but not others, that information could help reveal causes of premature birth. The researchers speculated about potential factors.

One could be rest. By staying home, some pregnant women may have experienced less stress from work and commuting, gotten more sleep and received more support from their families, the researchers said.

Women staying at home also could have avoided infections in general, not just the new coronavirus. Some viruses, such as influenza, can raise the odds of premature birth.

Air pollution, which has been linked to some early births, has also dropped during lockdowns as cars stayed off the roads.

Dr. Jamieson said the observations were surprising because she would have expected to see more preterm births during the stress of the pandemic, not less.

“It seems like we have experienced tremendous stress in the U.S. due to Covid,” she said.

But all pregnant women may not have experienced the lockdowns in the same way, she said, as different countries have different social safety nets in general, and the stress of unemployment and financial insecurity may have affected communities unevenly.

Some later premature births also might have been avoided during lockdowns simply because doctors weren’t inducing mothers for reasons like high blood pressure, Dr. Jamieson said. But that wouldn’t explain a change in very early preterm births, as the Danish and Irish authors found.

“The causes of preterm birth have been elusive for decades, and ways to prevent preterm births have been largely unsuccessful,” Dr. Jamieson said. According to the C.D.C., premature births in the United States rose in 2018 for the fourth straight year. White women had about a 9 percent risk of premature birth in 2018, while African-American women’s risk was 14 percent.

If the trends in the data are confirmed, the pandemic and lockdowns could be something like a natural experiment that might help researchers understand why premature birth happens and how to avoid it. Maybe some maternity leave should start before a mother’s due date, for example.

The Danish and Irish researchers have now teamed up and are building an international group of collaborators to study how Covid lockdowns affected early births.

“For years, nothing has advanced in this very important area,” Dr. Christiansen said, “and it seems it took a virus attack to help us get on track.”

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 19 July 2020 22:01 (three years ago) link

Yes this was raised a few wks ago re the Irish study https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/positive-lockdown-influence-credited-with-fall-in-pre-term-births-1.4275968?mode=amp

Really interesting

kinder, Monday, 20 July 2020 13:34 (three years ago) link

would be interesting to know if having had previous children is a factor either in risk of pre-term birth and/or in the group showing fewer during lockdown

kinder, Monday, 20 July 2020 13:40 (three years ago) link

Radio 2 news on Sunday had a story about a coronavirus hotspot that broke out in a track and trace call centre...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-53465160

koogs, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 00:27 (three years ago) link

I don't watch a lot of TV, or at least not a lot of TV with commercials, but I've been impressed how quickly ads on Hulu at least have incorporated covid themes beyond that initial barrage of feel good "we love our heroes at Amazon" sort of spots. I was wondering just now how soon before covid stuff makes its way into a TV show or movie or something, and then I was further wondering whether it will the covid references will manifest first as dramatic, insufferable or skip straight to humorous. I kinda suspect ... humorous.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 00:40 (three years ago) link

I think Michael Bay is already working on something

Nhex, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 01:38 (three years ago) link

a 2 hour bowel movement on IMAX

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 01:47 (three years ago) link

So, both humorous.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 13:06 (three years ago) link

Hey guys, so I'm back in Portugal for a few weeks.

Flight was pretty stressful - had gotten some info from others that things actually worked much faster because there's less ppl flying but that wasn't my experience at all. Airport staff is reduced (I support this), so cues are longer than usual - and no fucker in Heathrow observed social distancing. Waiting for luggage at the baggage retrieval in Porto was even worse - they had handy marks, so technically we could have all stood around the carpet and collected our luggage, but ppl are so used to hurrying through that process that everyone was just elbowing their way to their bags nonetheless, like it would kill them to wait an additional three seconds or so.

Flight was as full as social distancing guidelines permitted, too - noticed a few Spanish ppl from Galizia, one of whom was talking about staying in Porto a few days and then making his way home. Makes sense - less scheduled flights meant he probably wouldn't be able to land nearer to home and Porto's geographically closer than Madrid or Barcelona.

That being said, having survived the flight I couldn't be happier about how Portugal is dealing with the crisis - ppl in masks everywhere, separate entries and exits, outside seating where there previously wasn't any, disinfectant liquid at the entry of every shop, cafe, restaurant. Local supermarket chain advertising "stay in Portugal for the holidays!", like fuck would Sainsburys do something like that.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 17:08 (three years ago) link

So apparently over 50% of people who get tested in Victoria are not isolating till they get a result. Continuing to shop, work etc.

State premier pushing financial support for people in casual or precarious occupations who can’t fall back in sick leave. Good but way too late.

Cases in Victoria are staying stubbornly high and rising. 484 today, which is higher than all of Australia at the 1st peak.

I had a nice chat wi Th the vaccine testing people. Wanted me to try out a tetanus jab for which I am ineligible due to having one too recently but the guy on the phone said they had ‘something coming next month’, which is probably the stage 3 trials for the Doherty institute. So hopefully I can participate in that.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 02:51 (three years ago) link

Could not even imagine getting on a plane right now.

Tōne Locatelli Romano (PBKR), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 11:47 (three years ago) link

For a couple unsupportable, non-essential family reasons, i am being asked to fly in 3 weeks.

I am trying to steel myself for the experience of becoming quite unpopular at refusing to do it, and also to deny the trip to its adolescent beneficiary. it would be risky, irresponsible, and not defensible. “There must be a safest, most acceptable way to let this happen,” i keep imagining?

ok, how bout, i drive 15 hours there, experience tightly controlled public exposures (but tins of them) for 2 days, kiddo same, then drive 15 hours back, quarantine self, and have the teen risk being an infection vector into her (whatever school ends up being) environment on return?

talk me down peeps

retail rage is for suckers (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 13:34 (three years ago) link


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