Is this anti-semitism?

found some: https://sports.yahoo.com/desean-jackson-eagles-instagram-fake-hitler-quote-anti-semitism-farrakhan-034221683.html

That's definitely anti-Semitism. Not a defense at all, but I always think it worth noting that football should be banned because it destroys its' players brains.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/02/finland-s-air-force-phasing-out-swastika-symbol-from-its-logos

political correctness gone mad

Maybe if more people used the swastika it would lose its power.

They forgot to mention that Eric von Rosen was Hermann Göring's brother-in-law. Pure happenstance, no doubt.

desean jackson is an idiot but he apologized and i'm sure will give a more thorough serious apology later -- i don't think he should be cut and one thing i like about the eagles is that they've always seemed to be committed to forgiveness and second chances for their players whether it's from dog fighting, or drug use, or n-word use, or imo black hebrew israelite antisemitism. esp if he's willing to be contrite.

Very magnanimous of you, Mordy, I think all hell would have broken loose if anyone in the public eye in the UK had posted that material, whereas it just seems to have been shrugged off as one of those things in the US. It's a funny old world and no mistake, cor blimey guv'nor.

tbf he's a football player not a politician; my expectations are different.

aye mate, fancy to viddy some footy, wot wot

Afaic, someone who hung a dog from a noose and then used a nailgun to nail it to a tree through its throat shouldn't be allowed to live in human society any longer, much less be forgiven for that sin and make millions of dollars a year doing so, but I guess I'm always seen as the unreasonable one in this argument.

tl;dr: Michael Vick deserves nothing but eternal shaming and expulsion from society for what he did.

yeah fuck the Eagles. the band and the team.

xp not unreasonable - i think the urge for punishment + expungement of moral contamination to be v understandable but i prefer rehabilitation + forgiveness as a general model for justice. vick served his time in prison and through his speech and actions demonstrated that he had repented from his former behavior and was striving to be a better person. in a field like sports where the stakes are so low modeling this sort of journey can i think be useful for pro-social transformation.

tbf he's a football player not a politician; my expectations are different.

He'd have still been hung out to dry.

I think if the Riley Cooper incident happened today he'd be cut pretty quickly so I don't think that's a fair yardstick for Jackson. No one's entitled to earn millions of dollars playing football if their employer would prefer not to associate itself with his commentary.

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I generally agree with you, but abusing animals is psychopathic behavior.

https://www.theonion.com/redskins-kike-owner-refuses-to-change-team-s-offensive-1819575738

Hmm, yeah I don't really think that accomplishes what it sets out to, not good

And somehow I can't imagine them doing that with another ethnic group

I think the problem with it is that, while I get that they are trying to ironize the owner's stance, using slurs is by its nature an attack on an entire group, not just on the target individual. So the "taste of his own medicine" approach doesn't really work.

just realized that's like 7 years old fwiw

Abe Foxman agrees with you: https://www.adl.org/news/media-watch/onion-article-oversteps-bounds

And uses a racial slur in his letter to really drive the point home

I think the onion article is good, idk. It's just as anti-semitic as an Eli Valley cartoon

where is the slur in his letter?

It starts with an R

does the autoreplace still work on ilx?

Redskins

guess not

Jews are all rich!
Okay, and?
Jews control the banks!
Okay, and?

Go out get a job and become rich too, maybe even the CEO of a bank, hating on Jews won’t get you anywhere, and if you are too stupid or lazy to do so, blame yourself, not the Jews.

End of class.

— Reagan Battalion (@ReaganBattalion) July 15, 2020

Some very helpful stuff by "Reagan Battalion," thank you

That is anti-Semitic, yes

Indeed. On par with Trump stating that 'the only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day'.

It's incredible that I'd almost forgotten about that quote until I read yr post.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/07/15/viacomcbs-fires-nick-cannon-over-anti-semitic-remarks/5440835002/

Good on him for apologizing but that quote is still fucked up and – from a non-American perspective – a clear-cut, inexcusable instance of racist hate speech:

"The people that don’t have (melanin) are – and I'm going to say this carefully – a little less,” Cannon said. "When they didn't have the power of the sun, it started to deteriorate them so then, they’re acting out of fear, they’re acting out of low self-esteem, they’re acting out of a deficiency.”

Cannon continued: "So, therefore, the only way that they can act is evil. They have to rob, steal, rape, kill in order to survive. So then, these people that didn’t have what we have – and when I say 'we,' I speak of the melanated people – they had to be savages. … They’re acting as animals so they’re the ones that are actually closer to animals. They’re the ones that are actually the true savages."

Running with race as a social construct to further equality is a defensible stance but essentializing it will always be wrong as far as I'm concerned, regardless of intent.

Ah, the miracle of melanin! I haven't heard that one since the '90s.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/politics/david-perdue-jon-ossoff-takes-down-ad/index.html

Let's talk about the anti-semitism on the left some more, please.

is it possible to call something out in one instance without snarkily downplaying others

^^^ true left speaking.

You are right (of course).

the right does get away with murder on this issue, often literally

they want to make it about the left all the time but there’s no need to play along

Reading this on "Black Antisemitism"

https://newsocialist.org.uk/black-antisemitism-and-antiracist-solidarity/

like you read my mind, been thinking a lot about these issues since posters for the Blackhammer Organization started appearing in my 75% Black neighborhood. i'll let you do some searching, but Gazi Kodzo is the 'chief' of said organization, a splinter from the New Black Panther Party, and very recently wrote some absolutely despicable things about Anne Frank on the Twitter....but also made some necessary points about the way the education system works in the US, and how a philosemitism has been allowed to replace any sort of nuanced understanding of colonialism and the horrors of chattel slavery, particularly in a US context.

thanks a lot for posting.

so you're saying he "had some good points"

silby, before you attack me, perhaps you ought to read the article that was posted...which much more elegantly describes the way in which actually valid critique is mixed into vile anti-Semitism due to any number of complicating factors, most of which have to do with the WASP coupling of a false philosemitism with anti-Blackness.

Believe it or not, one can write something objectively vile and still make valid arguments after that vile statement! Kodzo wrote that many Black children in the US are never taught about the extent of the horrors of chattel slavery and the genocides that killed millions in Africa. He's right, and that should be corrected! But where he's wrong is in saying that people shouldn't have to learn about Anne Frank and the Shoah, as if the problem is that learning about one thing replaces learning about another, which is ridiculous on its face. If saying that he's partially right in one sense and fucking awful and wrongheaded in another sense goes beyond your moral understanding, then my apologies.

I read some of the article which, seemed fine. James Baldwin on this topic seems pretty relevant. Forgive me for not reeeeeeally caring what good points are made by vicious antisemites, though.

also like

how a philosemitism has been allowed to replace any sort of nuanced understanding of colonialism and the horrors of chattel slavery, particularly in a US context.

― blue light or electric light (the table is the table),

what the entire fuck is this

My inelegant way of trying to explain the way that philosemitism has been coupled with anti-Blackness in US racial discourse as well as the US racial imaginary. That is, an opposition was formed by those already existing as racialized White in the US between Jewish people and Black people, and the Jewish people were given some amount of White privilege as long as they did not band with Black people. It's the same playbook that Ignatiev talks about in re: the Irish, in many ways, the difference being that anti-Semitism is part and parcel of a conspiracist, flattening thinking about power and control in the US as elsewhere, whereas anti-Papist (and thus anti-Irish) tendencies have faded drastically over the years.

philosemitism

You clearly didn't read the article

I told you I didn't finish it!

I'm complaining about you