outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

Florida is one of my many regular webcams that I keep an eye on, and I've been astounded at the lack of respect for social distancing in the past couple of months that I've seen, and even still doing it - do they not know what's happening?

We know, we're just filled with me-first assholes.

I’m worried that the Australian equivalent of refusing to wear a mask is refusing to get tested when asked.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/health-minister-raises-conspiracy-concern-as-10-000-refuse-virus-test-20200703-p558va.html

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/07/02/mongolia-quarantines-russian-border-region-over-bubonic-plague-suspicion-a70756

Aw yeah.

yeah without question an airport would be safer (maybe that’s what alfred meant?). an airplane maybe too, with masks

― k3vin k., Thursday, July 2, 2020

Yeah, sorry this is what I meant. A large interior space where people wear masks >>>>>>> smaller space where few do.

From ShariVari's link:

Lab tests confirmed that two unidentified individuals had contracted the “marmot plague” in the region of Khovd, Mongolia’s National Center for Zoonotic Disease (NCZD) said in a statement.

Simulation going to simulate.

Khovefe would have been funnier but I guess The Programmer knows when to dial it down

https://static2.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/nice-marmot-the-dude-big-lebowski-Edited.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=963&h=481

Oh, this is gonna be fun

A surprising new study found that the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped Covid-19 patients better survive in the hospital.https://t.co/j6zs4SI2Su

— CNN (@CNN) July 3, 2020

(The study is very much not a random test and those on the meds got double the dose of steroids, but don’t expect the idiots at CNN to make that clear)

tbf the title of the article is "Study finds hydroxychloroquine may have boosted survival, but other researchers have doubts"

got in an argument with a COVID truther today who claims her cousin was deemed to have died of COVID in May and that it was really "something else" (uhh, co-morbidity anybody) and that because of the wrong cause of death, they were required to cremate him.

there is no current state or federal guidance in the US requiring COVID victims to be cremated, and even if there was, it wouldn't matter if they died FROM it, rather than WITH it. since it was a cousin, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the immediate family members probably got details and through the game of telephone, that's how the story wound up.

her reaction to the 'co-morbidity' statement was "so if he's shot, stabbed and beaten and dies with COVID, they can mark that he died of COVID?".....god, this is the intellect we're up against.

My brother is a funeral director and he's buried a dozen Covid cases. No cremation required.

Yup.

yeah without question an airport would be safer (maybe that’s what alfred meant?). an airplane maybe too, with masks

Bars and churches are the wrost

yeah, I've read a few articles in early March terrified about COVID spread on planes but it turns out that, since banning smoking on all flights, airplane filtration systems are...better than expected?

Not buying the plane filtration being that good. Just because they can't trace it to a plane didn't mean it didn't happen. There's a reason people get colds a lot after traveling.

In Australia, when a known case has been on a plane they contact everyone within six rows of the case to get tested. They also publish the flight numbers, dates and time.

There has to be a TTI system in place, though. I wouldn’t go near a plane anywhere right now but certainly not one in the US.

probably more likely to catch several other diseases in laguardia

more like lagiardia amirite

i'm sorry but who the hell do you think you are making jokes in this thread? please stop and consider that there are many people on this board who have directly and personally suffered pain, fear, job loss, deep anxiety, and many other highly unpleasant consequences from the ongoing pandemic, which continues to deliver these consequences at an accelerating rate with no end in sight, and many of these people do not consider this the appropriate thread for such light heartedly frivolous hijinks as you chose to inject into this discussion.

you've gotta do that a third time before it's funny

oh believe me I'm waiting for it

the burrito that bored a generation

sometimes i only notice a poster bc every time i see a landfill post that adds zero value to the board i notice the same dn next to it welcome PBKR to the stage

― Mordy, Thursday, July 2, 2020 9:57 AM (yesterday)

in case it was unclear, that means you're an uninteresting individual who sucks at posting

nb: burrito, you didn't make a joke. you outsourced it.

i don't like esby but I'd proclaim him emperor of ILX over burrito-dude

and thus we get another derail. how does this happen? (<-- rhetorical question alert)

I do like esby and I'd proclaim Heart's eponymous 1985 album Heart to be better than both Kill 'em All and Bonded by Blood, two pathetic albums of garbage by frustrated white men who felt the need to forcefully make their boring opinions known

remind you of anyone?

anyways, NEANDERTHAL, here's some real music for you to think about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE5GGMhmo-M

this was just my way of concurring burrito sucks

now now there’s no need to put heart, metallica, and exodus in competition with each other. they all made great music we can enjoy

could we enjoy them somewhere else, plz

moving on...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/coronavirus-mutation-spread-study/index.html

"We were able to test whether the G form of the virus was more infectious than the D form," Montefiore, director of the Laboratory for AIDS Vaccine Research and Development, told CNN. "All the results agreed that the G form was three to nine times more infectious than the D form"...

don't you want someone to care about you?

Not buying the plane filtration being that good. Just because they can't trace it to a plane didn't mean it didn't happen. There's a reason people get colds a lot after traveling.

I've banned the burrito. I'll unban him in 72 hours, but I don't have high hopes for him after that.

Oh I'm sure he'll be able to gather a little fan club handwringing over nasty intolerant ILXors the way esby has.

Lol @ burrito. I hadn't seen Mordy's post, so thanks for that.

btw, burrito irl looks and acts like William Atherton's characters from Die Hard/Ghostbusters.

The Arizona Daily Star reports:

Mexican authorities are closing the U.S-Sonora border to nonessential travel this holiday weekend, when Arizonans would normally flock to Mexican beach towns like Rocky Point and San Carlos for the Fourth of July.

Starting Saturday, July 4, southbound travelers without essential business in Sonora will be turned away at border checkpoints in Nogales, Agua Prieta, Sonoyta and San Luis Rio Colorado, said Sonora Gov. Claudia Pavlovich’s office. The governor did not specify an end-date for the border closure.

Huh, Mexico is paying for a wall after all.

it's definitely possible to get sick on airplanes, they still theorize you're at risk if the people in immediate rows near you, masked or not, have COVID and if they're coughing like fiends, but the HEPA filter does help for those you're further away from. HEPA filtering isn't instant so nasty droplets can squeak through if someone is hacking up a lung the row over.

but yeah, it's still definitely safer than indoor bars without question.

"Anybody need any Ventilators???"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/239-experts-with-1-big-claim-the-coronavirus-is-airborne.html

This kind of shit doesn't make the WHO look very good and raises some serious questions about what the role of such an organisation should be in the middle of a dangerous pandemic. They seem unable or unwilling to change course and give direction regarding how to best stop the spread of COVID despite mounting evidence that they haven't gotten it right so far.

The WHO has been inconsistent and incoherent, but afaict there is literally no real information in that article, let alone "growing evidence on airborne transmission of the coronavirus." Barely any attributed names, definitely little in the way of numbers, not even a link to the "open letter" these anonymous scientists have apparently written to WHO (which is reportedly being published next week). Theories may very well come to be proven true, but I'm pretty sick of articles that prematurely introduce alarming claims (ibuprofen makes Covid worse! people can be reinfected! you can get it from flushing toilets and people passing you on bicycles!) with nothing concrete to back up the claims. Perhaps that's why the article spends more than half its word count criticizing WHO, which is the real story but which is imo separate from the specific headline charge. Doctors and scientists are fallible and often driven by ego, and do make mistakes in judgement and communication, but the same thing goes for journalists reporting on scientists.

For weeks, information has been trending more and more towards airborne transmission and problems with enclosed spaces, but yes, looking forward to this question being settled definitively once we are all dead. Meanwhile, it's totally cool to send kids back to school in a little over a month while we stand back and watch case counts spiral out of control in states that have reopened too quickly. But definitely, let's not be concerned about sticking more people in enclosed spaces. We don't know for sure how dangerous it is, so let's assume the best and see what happens.

Just checked the WHO website, and comprehensive mask wearing is still not recommended, but hand washing is the #1 item they recommend for everyone. I'm sorry, but this seems hopelessly behind the curve and indefensible. How much evidence is needed before you are willing to say, everyone wear masks, crack open windows, make sure you have some strategically placed fans and high quality air filters in place?

I think the WHO is an inexplicable mess, and I have no idea how or if places are going to handle school. Prolonged time in enclosed spaces has always seemed to be the problem, afaict, but I always thought that's because the particulates shot out by coughing and sneezing and whatnot were more likely to reach your face when you're stuck in the same space with someone. There's a difference between that and significant viral loads hanging and lingering in the air and infecting people that way, which is what I thought they meant by "airborne transmission." If there is proof or evidence of that they should, well, air it.