Rolling Thread on Race 2020

i've been here 16 years and I've been SBed twice, told to go fuck myself, and shot at by other ilxors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W99n083E0IA

Why has he been with us for 15 years? What's he getting out of it? The chance to be The Guy Who Dares To Say The Unsayable, what a fucking pathetic waste of 15 years of his time.

We have several of these and esby > Morbius all day every day until the heat death of the universe.

<3 morbs

i read Morbs more as angst from decades of frustration vs "I'm better than you", though he infuriates me now and then, I value his opinions on many things, which is more than I can say for esby

No fucking way, Morbz is a legend, this esby character isn't fit to tie his shoelaces.

Forming opinions about the relative worth of ilxors is unavoidable. Rating ilxors on ilx is not a good habit. I don't encourage it.

Somee of those are funny and ILE could use a ribbing at times imo. There's been a lot worse on the noise board.

I like esby's contributions to IMM and the ILM comp.

None of it was funny except for the 'dusty farmer's almanac' jibe - Aimless obv. brings out the best in satirists.

I live to serve.

Did esby's username change? I was here for like five years (06-11), then back on and off with some notable longer absences. I don't remember esby at all.

sleepingbag iirc?

oh, beloved user sleepingbag

Also burt stanton, Spectrum, and larry appleton, no?

nah the latter two were likely the same, burt's a lawyer who doesn't wipe his ass and GRIM REAPAH

less esby, more gilmore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CS627aKrJI&t=24s

aw boo try this

Why are you guys doing this on this thread

Gilmore is amazing, teaching her work is always an incredible experience.

xpost good point, this was not the thread to be heading up this diversion on, so I apologize

Straw/camel's back.

I'm bookmarking that video for later

many of you need to spend less time on the internet or at least ILX

Will happily send PDF of Gilmore's work if you message me

I’d love a pdf, table. Email in profile works.

Yeah, that Gilmore video is great and an excellent primer

https://www.laopera.org/discover/laoathome/lift-every-voice/
https://www.instagram.com/operaisracist/

appreciate this convo. I've been personally internally chewing on the utility or inutility of "BIPOC" from a few directions--its political utility, descriptive utility (neither of which i'm convinced of at the moment) as well as who seems to be using it.https://t.co/M2J4BvnVoE

— wikipedia brown is behind the fireworks. surprise (@eveewing) June 30, 2020

i can understand the frustration with BIPOC in its flattening use as "not white."

But over time, miles-hercules says, the term “people of color” lost its political force. “It then became a way to just kind of group all nonwhite people together in ways that weren’t necessarily productive,” they say. “In my own work as a linguist, and from my own perspective as a linguist, I see this as an erasure, which I consider a linguistic violence.”

putting aside my own kneejerk revulsion to claims of things like "linguistic violence" i think miles-hercules just expects too much that all uses of language be productive in every instantiation. the process by which radical political language gets smoothed out is inevitable and ultimately ppl need words that are merely descriptive/pragmatic. if you tell them that X is the right term and not Y they'll gravitate towards X but you'll inevitably lose the radical component. i don't see a way out of this - you can't create language that is radical enough for its imparted politics survive its own mainstreaming and you can't [reasonably] demand that ppl bring political consciousness to every conversation much of which is be purely functional or mundane. if you ever wondered why the terms keep getting updated possibly it's out of a misguided attempt to outrun this process?

Soda, will send later this afternoon. Away from the laptop atm

Apologies if this is the wrong thread, but is there a good article or link that puts more context to the march in front of the crazy armed lawyers' house in STL? I'm seeing a barrage of people defending the couple because "the protesters tore down the fence" (not that even that would have excused two clearly untrained idiots to wave guns around with fingers on triggers and safeties off), but I haven't seen one single angle or video that shows anything of the sort.

ex-St. Louisan here.

1. There is a gate blocking vehicles. Not pedestrians. Pretty sure there is an open entrance for pedestrians and sidewalk is still public. Lots of streets in that neighborhood are that way. You can walk through - and sometimes people do, just to get to another street, but not drive through.

2. I have seen photos of *a* gate bent downwards and partly torn away, but I can't confirm which street gate that is, or when it was bent, etc. It's irrelevant to the pedestrian situation.

3. As you note, Jesus fucking Christ if anyone is more concerned about the gate than the injustice being protested, or more than the sheer fuckedupedness of posing like Rambo in a pink polo shirt.... gah

Thanks, just trying to understand more and sort through the disinformation. There's a lot of morons defending these two, some I'm unfortunately related to, on a lot of grounds and I want to be able to more confidently discredit some of the more obvious bullshit.

Sounds pretty similar to some streets I've seen in north shore suburbs - closed to vehicular traffic, but openings on the sidewalks to allow pedestrians to pass through easily.

https://www.curbed.com/2020/6/29/21306868/st-louis-gun-couple-protest-street

Thanks for that link, in orbit.

This video is instructive

In this video you can see protestors walk right through the gate. It’s not destroyed when they walk onto the street.

You can hear McCloskey, “get the hell out of my neighborhood.” pic.twitter.com/ZbBNP2Xc4v

— Alexis Zotos (@alexiszotos) June 29, 2020

Thanks, hadn't seen that one.

This property is BOTH public and private. The residences are private. (Homes tend to be that way.) The roads and sidewalks are maintained by the city, and therefore... *drumroll*... PUBLIC.

I know this, because zoning is public record. There are like, maps and shit. pic.twitter.com/k7mGmhMS6m

— Shane Morris (@IamShaneMorris) June 29, 2020

Different topic: I thought this was very good
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-messy-politics-of-black-voices-and-black-voice-in-american-animation

(I was reminded how shallow the pool of human black characters is, recently, when I attempted to find my cartoon doppelgänger to participate in the “cartoon me” meme circulating on Twitter.)

man, it's this shit. over and over.

i'm old enough to remember sucking on an otter pop and watching Channel 17 reruns of amos and andy on a black-and-white television with a wire hanger antenna

(which is to say, as if it were necessary, this shit is not ancient; it's recent)

This is pretty satisfying to see (long overdue, but still).

https://www.newsleader.com/story/news/2020/07/01/stonewall-jackson-richmond-va-confederate-statues-civil-war-general-us-history/5358621002/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/us/banking-while-black-racism-trnd/index.html

Benndrick Watson's story is insane

That Sauntore Thomas one I remember as being particularly fucked up. Guy was cashing a settlement check from an anti-discrimination suit, right? And then he had the cops called on him for trying to cash the settlement check. Absurdly racist.

reminds me of this case that happened here in Vancouver late last year https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/indigenous-girl-grandfather-handcuffed-bank-1.5419519

Fucking shameful. Did BMO end up taking action beyond issuing a lame semi-apology?

I don't believe so

https://i.imgur.com/H6FMe1S.gif