Rolling Thread on Race 2020

esby isn't a troll

this has not been my experience of most of esby's posts, sorry peace man

really good points being made on both sides here

posting that on a thread about race is straight-up shitty. there's your s.b., esby

go for it. I made my point already. if it's trolling then I guess Im trolling, no clue

peace_man, I respectfully disagree, esby's been doing this repetitive "I am better than you other pseudo-woke libs" for like two years. he talks more about how unpopular his opinions are than actually sharing any in the politics threads, just shows up to dunk on people weakly. I ain't gonna front like I ain't posted some trash threads/posts during COVID, but he has a habit of showing up just to mock earnest discussion. or create polls that point out how above everybody he is.

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this movie should be called "I WAS CUCKED BY A TEENAGE ROBOT!!!"

― lumen (esby), Thursday, June 18, 2020 9:31 PM bookmarkflaglink
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OFFICIAL WORLDWIDE !! COVID-19 IS OVER !! PARTY THREAD
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I think my favorite part of pizza is the cum

― lumen (esby), Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:55 PM bookmarkflaglink
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the slaves trump would have owned also would have had covid!!!!!!!!!

― lumen (esby), Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:27 PM bookmarkflaglink

important not to forget this vital point and I can't believe ppl are disregarding it!!!!!

― lumen (esby), Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:28 PM bookmarkflaglink
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Being a socialist, a radical, or an anarchist is not the same as 'bitching loudly on the internet every day'.
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undo/lift curse?
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one easy trick to end the nonstop overwrought political direness: ban the leftists

― lumen (esby), Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:15 PM bookmarkflaglink

i agree we need more women here, I would like to tell them that their taste in music is wrong

― lumen (esby), Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:03 AM bookmarkflaglink
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hey comrades, how many millions of $ were we supposed to give to wealthy white brooklynites before we start saving all the marginalized and at risk ppl again? i forgot..

― lumen (esby), Tuesday, March 10, 2020 4:30 PM bookmarkflaglink
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IF YOU DO THAT YOU CONDONE MULTIPLE NOTORIOUS GENOCIDES BEEP BLOOP B ERNIE SANDERS BORP

― lumen (esby), Thursday, March 5, 2020 10:48 PM bookmarkflaglink
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should other people have different opinions?
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but let's hope CORONAVIRUS only kills the bad olds and not Bernie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― lumen (esby), Wednesday, February 26, 2020 9:54 PM bookmarkflaglink
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hot ppl are just better, sorry

― lumen (esby), Tuesday, February 11, 2020 1:49 PM bookmarkflaglink
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this board deserves so much more trolling than it gets tbh... y'all are, like, the bougiest ppl in the world

― lumen (esby), Tuesday, February 4, 2020 11:54 AM bookmarkflaglink
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Bernie saves woman's life by yelling at her
Bernie solves billionaires by yelling at them
Bernie fixes health care by yelling at it
Bernie escapes death's clutches by yelling at death
Bernie lifts off into space by yelling at the ground

― lumen (esby), Monday, January 27, 2020 3:53 PM bookmarkflaglink
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i feel like i have read this article a million times.

you surely have, it's pt. 34985859340293849494 in the 'men (bad) should be women (good)' series. there's nothing wrong with these kids. teenagers are horny??? men laugh at jokes their friends make instead of chastising them for being inappropriate???? my stars, it all just makes me want to cry

― lumen (esby), Monday, December 16, 2019 10:52 PM bookmarkflaglink
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• ^^ all these conservative opinions are boring
• trump is alive and he is your president and that's ok, having a decade long emotional response to this is nagl imo
• socialism is incel economics
• whoever said boomers and gen x are indistinguishable was otm you guys watch snl and listen to the eagles
• thank you for loving esby

― lumen (esby), Monday, November 18, 2019 4:11 PM bookmarkflaglink
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lol. a Fancy White in his 2nd year of college is what I meant yeah, but you know, whatever fills yr bag

― lumen (esby), Thursday, October 17, 2019 5:17 PM bookmarkflaglink

don't worry, grampa's gonna start the revolution any day now and then it's off to the re-education camps for me

― lumen (esby), Thursday, October 17, 2019 7:30 PM bookmarkflaglink
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what is the most woke body of water?
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so when trump wins reëlection and the civil war starts are y'all actually gonna take up arms and fight or are you just going to post the same horseshit here for yet another 4 years?
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TRUMP
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I mean it’s also the progressive version of owning the libs

― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, September 20, 2019 5:45 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

once again i ask: what exactly is it you guys think you do here all day?

― lumen (esby), Friday, September 20, 2019 9:09 PM bookmarkflaglink
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change thread title to 'Rutger Hauer is a DEAD'

― lumen (esby), Wednesday, July 24, 2019 3:02 PM bookmarkflaglink
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from the "Homophobia - Why?" thread:

str8 so apols for the ignorance but... what, exactly, do you guys do with the jizzboards

― lumen (esby), Monday, July 15, 2019 3:51 PM bookmarkflaglink
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there is one alternate universe out of billions where ivanka is a really cool and nice person despite her upbringing, and i feel sorry for her because she's placed in these insane situations where she has be around political leaders and pretend like she belongs. must be excruciating for her, in that alternative universe. in this one, though, she fakes it til she makes it and later is like 'i architected the fuck out of that greet and meet, j kush'

― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Sunday, June 30, 2019 12:17 PM bookmarkflaglink

i guess she'll just have to settle for this universe, where she's smoking hot and her dad is the president :(

― lumen (esby), Sunday, June 30, 2019 12:23 PM bookmarkflaglink

Time4FiftyOne

― Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Sunday, June 30, 2019 12:57 PM bookmarkflaglink

esby's not so much out-of-bounds as just annoying and inane. it would be like killing a flea.

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, June 30, 2019 1:06 PM bookmarkflaglink

annoying and inane

Oh, and I forgot to say "pointless and without redeeming value".

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, June 30, 2019 1:08 PM bookmarkflaglink

go screw, you dusty farmer's almanac

― lumen (esby), Sunday, June 30, 2019 1:13 PM bookmarkflaglink
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all 'indie' music is just an absolute affront

― lumen (esby), Thursday, May 30, 2019 6:53 PM bookmarkflaglink

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can you imagine being a normie, just making blithe observations about trump then going on to discuss pop culture? leaving us ilxors have to fight the war against trump w. hitler on our own, one chapo ep at a time? beyond fucked.

― lumen (esby), Friday, May 10, 2019 3:56 PM bookmarkflaglink

He's been with us for nearly 15 years

Why has he been with us for 15 years? What's he getting out of it? The chance to be The Guy Who Dares To Say The Unsayable, what a fucking pathetic waste of 15 years of his time.

i've been here 16 years and I've been SBed twice, told to go fuck myself, and shot at by other ilxors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W99n083E0IA

Why has he been with us for 15 years? What's he getting out of it? The chance to be The Guy Who Dares To Say The Unsayable, what a fucking pathetic waste of 15 years of his time.

We have several of these and esby > Morbius all day every day until the heat death of the universe.

<3 morbs

i read Morbs more as angst from decades of frustration vs "I'm better than you", though he infuriates me now and then, I value his opinions on many things, which is more than I can say for esby

No fucking way, Morbz is a legend, this esby character isn't fit to tie his shoelaces.

Forming opinions about the relative worth of ilxors is unavoidable. Rating ilxors on ilx is not a good habit. I don't encourage it.

Somee of those are funny and ILE could use a ribbing at times imo. There's been a lot worse on the noise board.

I like esby's contributions to IMM and the ILM comp.

None of it was funny except for the 'dusty farmer's almanac' jibe - Aimless obv. brings out the best in satirists.

I live to serve.

Did esby's username change? I was here for like five years (06-11), then back on and off with some notable longer absences. I don't remember esby at all.

sleepingbag iirc?

oh, beloved user sleepingbag

Also burt stanton, Spectrum, and larry appleton, no?

nah the latter two were likely the same, burt's a lawyer who doesn't wipe his ass and GRIM REAPAH

less esby, more gilmore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CS627aKrJI&t=24s

aw boo try this

Why are you guys doing this on this thread

Gilmore is amazing, teaching her work is always an incredible experience.

xpost good point, this was not the thread to be heading up this diversion on, so I apologize

Straw/camel's back.

I'm bookmarking that video for later

many of you need to spend less time on the internet or at least ILX

Will happily send PDF of Gilmore's work if you message me

I’d love a pdf, table. Email in profile works.

Yeah, that Gilmore video is great and an excellent primer

https://www.laopera.org/discover/laoathome/lift-every-voice/
https://www.instagram.com/operaisracist/

appreciate this convo. I've been personally internally chewing on the utility or inutility of "BIPOC" from a few directions--its political utility, descriptive utility (neither of which i'm convinced of at the moment) as well as who seems to be using it.https://t.co/M2J4BvnVoE

— wikipedia brown is behind the fireworks. surprise (@eveewing) June 30, 2020

i can understand the frustration with BIPOC in its flattening use as "not white."

But over time, miles-hercules says, the term “people of color” lost its political force. “It then became a way to just kind of group all nonwhite people together in ways that weren’t necessarily productive,” they say. “In my own work as a linguist, and from my own perspective as a linguist, I see this as an erasure, which I consider a linguistic violence.”

putting aside my own kneejerk revulsion to claims of things like "linguistic violence" i think miles-hercules just expects too much that all uses of language be productive in every instantiation. the process by which radical political language gets smoothed out is inevitable and ultimately ppl need words that are merely descriptive/pragmatic. if you tell them that X is the right term and not Y they'll gravitate towards X but you'll inevitably lose the radical component. i don't see a way out of this - you can't create language that is radical enough for its imparted politics survive its own mainstreaming and you can't [reasonably] demand that ppl bring political consciousness to every conversation much of which is be purely functional or mundane. if you ever wondered why the terms keep getting updated possibly it's out of a misguided attempt to outrun this process?

Soda, will send later this afternoon. Away from the laptop atm

Apologies if this is the wrong thread, but is there a good article or link that puts more context to the march in front of the crazy armed lawyers' house in STL? I'm seeing a barrage of people defending the couple because "the protesters tore down the fence" (not that even that would have excused two clearly untrained idiots to wave guns around with fingers on triggers and safeties off), but I haven't seen one single angle or video that shows anything of the sort.

ex-St. Louisan here.

1. There is a gate blocking vehicles. Not pedestrians. Pretty sure there is an open entrance for pedestrians and sidewalk is still public. Lots of streets in that neighborhood are that way. You can walk through - and sometimes people do, just to get to another street, but not drive through.

2. I have seen photos of *a* gate bent downwards and partly torn away, but I can't confirm which street gate that is, or when it was bent, etc. It's irrelevant to the pedestrian situation.

3. As you note, Jesus fucking Christ if anyone is more concerned about the gate than the injustice being protested, or more than the sheer fuckedupedness of posing like Rambo in a pink polo shirt.... gah

Thanks, just trying to understand more and sort through the disinformation. There's a lot of morons defending these two, some I'm unfortunately related to, on a lot of grounds and I want to be able to more confidently discredit some of the more obvious bullshit.

Sounds pretty similar to some streets I've seen in north shore suburbs - closed to vehicular traffic, but openings on the sidewalks to allow pedestrians to pass through easily.

https://www.curbed.com/2020/6/29/21306868/st-louis-gun-couple-protest-street

Thanks for that link, in orbit.

This video is instructive

In this video you can see protestors walk right through the gate. It’s not destroyed when they walk onto the street.

You can hear McCloskey, “get the hell out of my neighborhood.” pic.twitter.com/ZbBNP2Xc4v

— Alexis Zotos (@alexiszotos) June 29, 2020

Thanks, hadn't seen that one.

This property is BOTH public and private. The residences are private. (Homes tend to be that way.) The roads and sidewalks are maintained by the city, and therefore... *drumroll*... PUBLIC.

I know this, because zoning is public record. There are like, maps and shit. pic.twitter.com/k7mGmhMS6m

— Shane Morris (@IamShaneMorris) June 29, 2020

Different topic: I thought this was very good
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-messy-politics-of-black-voices-and-black-voice-in-american-animation

(I was reminded how shallow the pool of human black characters is, recently, when I attempted to find my cartoon doppelgänger to participate in the “cartoon me” meme circulating on Twitter.)

man, it's this shit. over and over.

i'm old enough to remember sucking on an otter pop and watching Channel 17 reruns of amos and andy on a black-and-white television with a wire hanger antenna

(which is to say, as if it were necessary, this shit is not ancient; it's recent)

This is pretty satisfying to see (long overdue, but still).

https://www.newsleader.com/story/news/2020/07/01/stonewall-jackson-richmond-va-confederate-statues-civil-war-general-us-history/5358621002/